Overeem's chin. . .

[Find_the_Door]

Alistair stopped again yet has an 88 chin . . . easily the worst chin in the history of the division yet in this game he has one of the better chins? There's a legitimate case that Alistair's chin could be 80-81!

He has a better chin than Nogueira (85) who's only been ko'd 3 times compared to Alistair's what 15 now??? Not to mention Werdum has only been ko'd three times has an 89 chin? Yet Nogueira's is still an 85?

Keep in mind neither Werdum or Overeem were known for being able to take a punch for the duration of their career's like Nogueira was.

So what's the deal here - does someone at EA just despise the Nogueira brothers? Heck even Lil Nog only has an 84 chin despite being ko'd 3 times and his sub defense and offense is worse than Dana White despite never being submitted?

Also JDS needs a massive nerf - he hasn't been that complete of a fighter at any point of his career.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

Feel free to list any other ratings here that are completely backwards.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

Mendes has a stamina rating of 87 even tho he went 5 rds with Aldo

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

Little Nog is kinda shot at this point, while 84 is a bit low its not unreasonable given how's he's looked outside of the Cummins fight, and I love Nog. With that said I really wouldn't be adverse to a slight chin buff to him and machida (86 and 88 respectively)

As for Big Nog/Reem. I'm all on that train. And Reem is indeed now suffered 12 MMA KO's and I believe 4 kickboxing KO's to Nogs 3.

As for crazy off stats, Marlon Moraes standup has been whack since launch imo, but now there is plenty of justification for it being whack.

Gilbert Burns could use more power still, Dan Hooker could still use buffs.

And I posted an Essay on how Jan B should buffed significantly on the feet to the stat change thread after the Manuwa fight (as there is a 9pt average gap in their standup, which there CERTAINLY wasn't in their recent fight)

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

Little Nog is kinda shot at this point, while 84 is a bit low its not unreasonable given how's he's looked outside of the Cummins fight, and I love Nog. With that said I really wouldn't be adverse to a slight chin buff to him and machida (86 and 88 respectively)

As for Big Nog/Reem. I'm all on that train. And Reem is indeed now suffered 12 MMA KO's and I believe 4 kickboxing KO's to Nogs 3.

As for crazy off stats, Marlon Moraes standup has been whack since launch imo, but now there is plenty of justification for it being whack.

Gilbert Burns could use more power still, Dan Hooker could still use buffs.

And I posted an Essay on how Jan B should buffed significantly on the feet to the stat change thread after the Manuwa fight (as there is a 9pt average gap in their standup, which there CERTAINLY wasn't in their recent fight)

I also think that Volkov's defensive grappling is a bit underrated. I wish we could have multiple ground stats like:



Guard:

How effective an fighters full guard is as far as sweeps, posture control, submissions. Example if an opponent has a poor top game in a fighters guard that's good their meter will slowly fill when trying to posture.


Half Guard:

How effective an fighters half guard is as far as sweeps, posture control, submissions. Example if an opponent has a poor top game in a fighters half guard that's good their meter will slowly fill when trying to posture.


Guard Passing:

Simply how proficient the top fighter is at passing an opponents guard. If they're not great guard passers then they'll struggle to do a straight pass to half guard from a full guard without posturing first.


Offensive grappling:

Affects how proficient both the top and bottom player are at offensive transitions. This rating does not apply to sweeps and applies to transitions outside of the full/half guard.


Defensive grappling:

Affects how proficient both the top and bottom player are at denying transitions (and maintaining their position). This rating does not apply to sweeps and applies to passes outside of the guard.


Top pressure:

This affects how much stamina drain the opponent suffers when postured. This also affects how difficult it is to get swept. Affects speed of postured up transition.


Reversal:

Ability to use momentum to sweep the opponent. A fighter with a high enough rating here will have an easier time securing top position off of well timed denials, and will be able to better execute sweeps.


GnP Power:

Power of ground and pound strikes (move levels should also be added to further differentiate).


GnP accuracy:

How accurate a fighter is with their ground and pound strikes. Not every strike should hit flush and clean.


Of course with this being implemented guard would be a very desirable place to be for some fighters. A pull guard mechanic would be a necessity.

This would also better differentiate fighters to feel more unique within the current confines of the existing system.

It would make it to where a guy like Cormier isn't doing Werdum sweeps off his back by timing a denial, but will be have added bonuses for securing and maintaining top position..

Heck I'm gonna make a post out of this

Edit: Post here https://forums.operationsports.com/f...32&postcount=1

[aholbert32]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

Alistair stopped again yet has an 88 chin . . . easily the worst chin in the history of the division yet in this game he has one of the better chins? There's a legitimate case that Alistair's chin could be 80-81!

He has a better chin than Nogueira (85) who's only been ko'd 3 times compared to Alistair's what 15 now??? Not to mention Werdum has only been ko'd three times has an 89 chin? Yet Nogueira's is still an 85?

Keep in mind neither Werdum or Overeem were known for being able to take a punch for the duration of their career's like Nogueira was.

So what's the deal here - does someone at EA just despise the Nogueira brothers? Heck even Lil Nog only has an 84 chin despite being ko'd 3 times and his sub defense and offense is worse than Dana White despite never being submitted?

Also JDS needs a massive nerf - he hasn't been that complete of a fighter at any point of his career.

I'll admit it. It was me. I purposely lowered the Nog brothers because of an altercation I had with them in 1993.

Also, dont compare fighters to fantasy characters like White.

Valid points other than that even though this practically the same post youve made over and over again. So if we drop Overeem chin (which likely wouldve happened because of the loss) will you be happy? Or is this just another Nog post under the vail of a Overeem nerf thread?

[MeowingForVengeance]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

Arlovski's chin was definitely proven to be better than an 84 last night. Show an old Pitbull some love.

[aholbert32]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

Arlovski's chin was definitely proven to be better than an 84 last night. Show an old Pitbull some love.

I need to watch the fight with that said his history hurts him a bit. He’s been ko’d by every heavy hitter he’s faced in the last 10 yrs ( Fedor, Rogers, Kharitonov, Stipe, Francis, Overeem) and was rocked in the Browne fight.


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[TheShizNo1]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

Feel free to list any other ratings here that are completely backwards.

Thought that's what this was for? https://forums.operationsports.com/f...d.php?t=925906

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[MeowingForVengeance]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

I need to watch the fight with that said his history hurts him a bit. He’s been ko’d by every heavy hitter he’s faced in the last 10 yrs ( Fedor, Rogers, Kharitonov, Stipe, Francis, Overeem) and was rocked in the Browne fight.

But with a chin rating of 84, you don't need to be a heavy hitter to rock and drop the dude. After his KO loss to Ngannou (who can drop anybody) he's beaten some younger guys in Albini and Struve. Tuivasa hits like a damned truck, and Arlovski was able to hang with him and get off his own combinations.

Not saying he should get a massive bump, but maybe up to 86 or 87?

[aholbert32]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

But with a chin rating of 84, you don't need to be a heavy hitter to rock and drop the dude. After his KO loss to Ngannou (who can drop anybody) he's beaten some younger guys in Albini and Struve. Tuivasa hits like a damned truck, and even if Arlovski didn't get the win he looked pretty damn good.



Not saying he should get a massive bump, just up to 86 or 87? I guess it depends on where Overeem's chin ends up.

In your opinion, should his chin be better than Overeem’s right now?


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[MeowingForVengeance]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

In your opinion, should his chin be better than Overeem’s right now?

I'd put Arlovski's on the same level. 88 (where Overeem is currently) may be a little too high for either fighter.

They've both gotten KO'd a lot, but by guys who hit really, really hard. So they shouldn't have a super-low chin like poor Ben Nguyen (who I think is at like an 80, which is insane). But neither should they be rated as high as Mark Hunt, who you basically have to kill to stop.

I'd rather see more fighters get a slight boost to chin rating than see Overeem's get tanked, personally. I want more viable fighters in the game, not fewer.

The blanket approach of giving past-their-prime guys bad chins and bad stamina--whether appropriate or not--is something I'm really not in favor of. I'd like to see older fighters balanced with more nuance like Forrest Griffin is in the game, who's a decent all-arounder who lacks power.

[teezie]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

I would just like to take this opportunity to address the people who claimed that fighters don't get KO'd from ground positions as if that were just unrealistic. Please watch the Blades vs Overeem fight to remedy your ignorance.

[OPSPunk]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

I had to step in for Reem here. Not a Reem fan, but we need to be honest.

He was not KO'd he was stopped against Blades and if a 255LB man elbowed anyone like that the result would be the same.

Also think about who knocked him out

Ngannou - A man who has KOd almost everyone he has faced.
Stipe - 5 of his last 6 wins against highly ranked dudes were all stoppages.

Lets talk about who Reem has faced who did NOT KO him (Mark Hunt, Roy Nelson, JDS, and Arlovski). To survive against those guys you can take a hit.

[aholbert32]

Re: Overeem's chin. . .

I'd put Arlovski's on the same level. 88 (where Overeem is currently) may be a little too high for either fighter.

They've both gotten KO'd a lot, but by guys who hit really, really hard. So they shouldn't have a super-low chin like poor Ben Nguyen (who I think is at like an 80, which is insane). But neither should they be rated as high as Mark Hunt, who you basically have to kill to stop.

I'd rather see more fighters get a slight boost to chin rating than see Overeem's get tanked, personally. I want more viable fighters in the game, not fewer.

The blanket approach of giving past-their-prime guys bad chins and bad stamina--whether appropriate or not--is something I'm really not in favor of. I'd like to see older fighters balanced with more nuance like Forrest Griffin is in the game, who's a decent all-arounder who lacks power.

There isnt a blanket approach though. Rampage has a good chin rating and he's past his prime. Griffin has a good stamina rating and he's retired. It depends completely on the fighter.

Whats funny is I had a long debate about viability with one of the GCs this week and he feels the way you do. So we were discussing a fighter that we CLEARLY misrated when it comes to speed (I wont name him because it could clue you in on a change we are making). He's past his prime and the rating we gave him was probably a little high even in his prime. I suggested a nerf because he clearly wasnt properly rated in that category and it appears to be a mistake (that happens when you rate 250 plus fighters in 20 plus categories).

My fellow GC was pissed that I suggested the nerf because changing that stat will make him less viable. He didnt try to justify it based on performance and even admitted that the rating was too high. His sole justification was for balance reasons.

I disagree with that. IMO, the game is supposed to be a current representation of the sport. If someone gets KO's 3 times in a row and his chin rating is high....he probably needs to be nerfed even if that means he's less effective in the game.