Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

[Billy4NY]

CFM Community,

This July is no different than any past July. Everyday I flip back and forth between which team to be in this year's Madden. Each year is different depending on my interests. A couple years back I helped resurrect the Browns to be annual playoff contenders. Two years ago I spent 7 seasons with the Eagles due to my ties to FCS football. Lastly, I always consider my home town favorite Atlanta Falcons.

This year's hype around Lamar Jackson is crazy. I agree, that based on the ratings released he is one of the most dynamic, stock Madden players since Michael Vick. So along with the Falcons, 49ers, Jets, and Browns, I have been considering the Ravens. I always try to keep my franchise modes more realistic than not (when possible), and my concern is that being the Ravens and putting Lamar Jackson in is not realistic and might make several seasons with them just feel...wrong (sim-style CFM players know what I mean)

So I have come here to ask, how realistic is it that Joe Flacco gets the boot and Lamar Jackson plays? And...how unbelievably fun will Lamar Jackson really be this year?

[Reed1417]

Re: Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

As a Ravens fan I don't think we'll see Jackson much in the regular season barring a serious injury to Joe or if he really stinks up the joint. My plan for Madden will be more of the same, I may have packages for him but he won't be an every down QB till probably the next season.

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[Billy4NY]

Re: Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

Is the plan really to have him be an every down guy next year? Didn't Joe just sign a 3 year extension for gobs of money?

[Reed1417]

Re: Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

I don't know if that's the plan or not, but I don't see Jackson getting a good amount of playing time for the next few years haha! And again barring some crazy injury or something which I HOPE doesn't happen!

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[JoshC1977]

Re: Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

Honestly, I think he is more valuable for those people who do not play "sim" and scramble outside the pocket on every single passing play.



For more "sim" guys, his passer ratings are not great (though they are still inflated - as per EAs norm across the board) and if the gameplay is balanced properly, he's a project QB (like in real life). If I were running a CFM with Baltimore, I would start Flacco year 1 and then trade him (like Alex Smith's situation after KC drafted Mahomes last year).

[Billy4NY]

Re: Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

Honestly, I think he is more valuable for those people who do not play "sim" and scramble outside the pocket on every single passing play.



For more "sim" guys, his passer ratings are not great (though they are still inflated - as per EAs norm across the board) and if the gameplay is balanced properly, he's a project QB (like in real life). If I were running a CFM with Baltimore, I would start Flacco year 1 and then trade him (like Alex Smith's situation after KC drafted Mahomes last year).

Yeah, playing with him on the Ravens would make me feel more inclined to play less sim style ball and more arcade style. When Vick was the best Madden weapon ever I didn't care too much about sim stats, but just loved running all over the place. Now I try to keep things more realistic and enjoy the story lines that unfold.

I guess I will be looking towards the Falcons or one of the other teams I mentioned above. Still an exciting year for CFM, but difficult to make the choice.

[jfsolo]

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I expect 99.9 percent of the people who use the Ravens to install Jackson as their QB from day one. It is what it is. My hope is that the gameplay mechanics/AI are improved enough so that there is actually a downside to doing so.

[reyes the roof]

Re: Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

I don't think starting a first rounder is unrealistic at all, and by sitting him you're doing yourself a disservice based on the way progression works

[JayhawkerStL]

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I think people tend to forget how the impact of a mobile QB works. You don’t have to do the rollout bomb agro-catch thing, or run every play.

But if a team is in man coverage, you should have an eye open for open field to run in. You use the mobility to dictate coverage, and maybe force a team to use a spy. That allows you to get better results with lesser pass ratings.

While I am not sure that you can count on the AI to make those adjustments, it’s still worth it to use a mobile guy this way, using the skill set in a sim way, instead of finding exploits.

[manEATgod]

Re: Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

It's unlikely that Flacco gets benched for Lamar in real life because he's just so far ahead as a passer. That being said it's possible we could see a situation where the offense is so stagnant and boring that the only way to get a spark is to lean on a mobile QB to power Greg Roman's system ala Kaepernick/Tyrod. I think RG3 would be the guy though unless he gets injured. I think after the season Flacco will be gone unless we get back to the playoffs and do well with him leading the way.

That being said I'm incredibly conflicted over whether or not to start Lamar instead of Flacco because as a passer Lamar could be better right out of the box. I guess we will know for sure by the end of the day, but Lamar has better low and mid accuracy, and will definitely have a much higher break sack rating.

I'm probably gonna lose my "sim player" card, but I really can't wait to run Greg Roman's scheme with Lamar. I know all the ins and outs and I love that the draft picks(Zeus Jr, Hurst, Andrews, Lasley, and Scott) all fit perfectly and I understand how to utilize them.

I think what's being lost in all this Lamar hoopla is how this fun and exciting this offense full of draft picks can be, if used correctly. This was a draft focused on offense for us, which never really happens.

This could be the last time my 32 man league uses the "Veteran fans get their team" setup for a while, so I might go with Flacco for season one, for one last ride.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Honestly, most of my history as a sim player, since board gaming in the 70's, has been in service to play What If scenarios out. I don't think there is anything wrong with playing the game as you wish the manager or head coach of said team would.

I mean, it is a game, right? It's supposed to be fun, right? Do some people get so hung up on sim that they won't, even in solo play, just have fun using the players and strategies they want? I thought that was the point of tuning the game as real as possible.

[manEATgod]

Re: Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

Honestly, most of my history as a sim player, since board gaming in the 70's, has been in service to play What If scenarios out. I don't think there is anything wrong with playing the game as you wish the manager or head coach of said team would.

I mean, it is a game, right? It's supposed to be fun, right? Do some people get so hung up on sim that they won't, even in solo play, just have fun using the players and strategies they want? I thought that was the point of tuning the game as real as possible.

I think some are saying maybe they won't be able to play as sim if they are using Lamar. I don't think its a major problem for most sim players, but I can see the temptation of wanting to run a read option offense or something.

I agree with you that Lamar's threatening ability will be best used to make coverage easier to read and execute against. With his run ability, and the Ravens run game acting as two major constraints on pass defenses, even the most average basic passers in Madden should be able to get consistently easy reads and soft coverage in certain areas of the field.

I also don't think people are talking solo.

[Khanchus]

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hardcore ravens fan here....


Flacco will not get the boot until at least next season when the dead money wont out weigh the pros.

He will get the start week 1 and throughout the season unless he is abysmal and i dont see that happening. Flacco has been looking great this off season, stronger and sharper. He has a few more playmakers around him and with Crabtree strong possesion play it will pick up flaccos stats.



Lamar will be the starter one day unless flacco goes back to super bowl mvp form.


In my CFM i wll be starting flacco and see how progresses in season 1. I believe in him even though he had many faults the past 2 yrs.

Ravens FO stated he will be in a few speciality packages (including both qbs on the field at the same time)
Someone said RG3 may get the nod if flacco get hurt, i doubt it. With the roster crunch we have after drafting 12 players in 2018 and have some young talent drafted in 2017, it will be hard to keep 3 QBs on the roster. (Even though i love the RG3 signing).


IMO sim would be play flacco yr 1 unless he bombs or ravens have a losing record insert him then and cut flacco yr 2. If flacco does good trade jackson or flacco - (trade the one who doesnt fit your play style).


This kid has the franchise buzzing and i see him bringing the locker room closer together.
Even though we have hurst, crabtree and smokey brown our offense isnt the best play making wise out the box so that might be a problem and can force your hand to start Vick i mean Jackson.

[Billy4NY]

Re: Traditional CFM vs. use of Lamar "Vick" Jackson

I think some are saying maybe they won't be able to play as sim if they are using Lamar. I don't think its a major problem for most sim players, but I can see the temptation of wanting to run a read option offense or something.

I agree with you that Lamar's threatening ability will be best used to make coverage easier to read and execute against. With his run ability, and the Ravens run game acting as two major constraints on pass defenses, even the most average basic passers in Madden should be able to get consistently easy reads and soft coverage in certain areas of the field.

I also don't think people are talking solo.

I actually prefer offline, solo CFM play. However, I do like to have my games and seasons as realistic as possible, yet I am constantly finding myself chasing stats, going to start players, or trying to scramble just because my QB has 85+ speed. I know if I were to be the Ravens and put Lamar in the game one of my goals would be to have 1k rushing and 1k passing because...why not? Yet, I am not sure that is what I want my CFM to be, especially if that is so far from the reality of the situation.

By the way, your response above about the Ravens system and draft was very helpful.

[manEATgod]

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I actually prefer offline, solo CFM play. However, I do like to have my games and seasons as realistic as possible, yet I am constantly finding myself chasing stats, going to start players, or trying to scramble just because my QB has 85+ speed. I know if I were to be the Ravens and put Lamar in the game one of my goals would be to have 1k rushing and 1k passing because...why not? Yet, I am not sure that is what I want my CFM to be, especially if that is so far from the reality of the situation.

By the way, your response above about the Ravens system and draft was very helpful.

No problem bro. I'm more excited about a Ravens offensive system that finally has the right pieces(even though many are rookies or young unproven players) than the Lamar Vick show.

I hope other Ravens users who like to play sim are as excited as I am.

I understand what you mean if you're playing solo, it's going to take some real discipline. Good luck with that bro, haha.