C4's PC Draft Classes [FULL 2019 Classes Posted]

**xApAthyx13** · 08-05-2018, 11:29 PM

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C4 I used to follow your youtube channels quite a bit before this offseason. Always enjoyed your commentary and videos but you lost all my respect this year.

You downloaded my roster when I was still creating the first two rounds of the draft and then uploaded it on Xbox Community Downloads and Youtube claiming it to be yours. You called it your 'Acclaimed Roster' and I had quite a few people rush to tell me about it so I checked your Youtube channels which they were right. (All those videos of you using my roster are still there).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjtufEBOozQ

All you did was adjust some ratings...

You even asked people to donate money to you for it.

Some shady ****

**bailey4mvp** · 08-06-2018, 02:32 AM

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Do you happen to have an excell sheet dor tgese at all? I want to do on3 for PS4.

Thanks for all your hard work.

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**c4geron** · 08-06-2018, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by xApAthyx13

C4 I used to follow your youtube channels quite a bit before this offseason. Always enjoyed your commentary and videos but you lost all my respect this year.

You downloaded my roster when I was still creating the first two rounds of the draft and then uploaded it on Xbox Community Downloads and Youtube claiming it to be yours. You called it your 'Acclaimed Roster' and I had quite a few people rush to tell me about it so I checked your Youtube channels which they were right. (All those videos of you using my roster are still there).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjtufEBOozQ

All you did was adjust some ratings...

You even asked people to donate money to you for it.

Some shady ****

Maybe I could have "plugged" your base rosters as the starting point of mine MORE which in truth I only used for the legwork for my rosters because I got fed up with the salary cap in offline management. I took your rosters, changed hundreds of ratings, added almost 100 more rookies and finished with a roster that was very much my own.

The video you're referring too came out May 27th and was from rosters that had just gone a 3rd editing process from the base file you had created. I had already heavily modified them, had a community of 50,000 help correct them and I had felt at that point the only thing that resembled your rosters was a few rookies with the wrong ages.

But I refer you to my very first video, The Introduction about these custom rosters on May 4th:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XBx2OE-qlI

At around the 1 minute mark, I explain that the base rosters weren't mine at all and gave you credit (called you Apex from Operation Sports Forums instead of Apathy, the XxXx's messed me up, but that can be viewed as careless & my apologies) for doing the legwork of what I was beginning to work on and explained why. And in other videos throughout the breakdown of my new rosters, I would refer to the starting roster as not my own, but as a "top community roster" because I had to explain why some of the rookies ages/faces were messed up.

I never once claimed that your rosters, the rosters I started out with we're mine. That's plagiarism, and that'd be a dickhead thing to do.

To add to that, Saying all I did was adjust some ratings couldn't be anything further from the truth. I worked off of your base file for at least 10+ hours making my own. That doesn't make the starting file mine, nor does it make the completed file yours.

- I adjusted just under 500 players ratings (15 players on average per team) as I had a roster file I had originally completed but had to switch to Apathy's because I couldn't work around the salary cap/FA moves. And the ratings I didn't change more often than not we're the ratings Madden already had given the player, not ratings you adjusted that I agreed with.
- Your rosters had maybe 20ish (as you stated, I downloaded them while they were a work in progress) when I downloaded them in early April. I finished with over 100 rookies, maxing out create a player and editing faceless rookies, and on top of that had to adjust the rookies that we're already added.

I don't take lightly people coming after my character that I've busted my *** 6-7 years in the Madden community to try and make somewhat respectable.

I can concede from this is in the very final build/release of my rosters not crediting you for doing the legwork waaay back at the very beginning maybe should have been included and correctly sifting through the XxXx's and getting your name right, and for that, it's my bad.

**xApAthyx13** · 08-06-2018, 01:07 PM

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Like I said, I've been following your channel heavily for quite some time and have always been a fan. I've always preferred your content over the FranchiseGuy so I was just shocked when I had a handful of people private messaging me to go check out your videos.

I didnt watch the entire length of the videos I just had seen about 3 or 4 of them with my rookies and my roster in them and then I saw you calling it your acclaimed roster which probably triggered the rest of reaction. Lastly I saw you encouraging people to donate money to your account which blew me away.

I saw in your video that you linked the roster name and username so I downloaded your roster and saw all of the rookies I created and all of the transactions and depth chart corrections and edits that I had done. I also have 2 Easter eggs in free agency that I do to confirm if its my file or not.

As far as the date of births on a few of the rookies there was close to 10-15 top tier rookies in the 1st two rounds that their colleges had not released anything else besides their generic age. That's all changed obviously since then but prior to the combine that was the case. Google research included some of the DOBs were not available. Im a former Dolphins beat writer for the Sun-Sentinel and have plenty of sources still to confirm this. And as far as the created faces I chose the generic faces offered by EA based off of their combine hairstyles etc. Not their college appearances. All equipment was edited initially based on their last college game played.

I dont doubt for one second the ratings adjustments or amount of editing you've done to the roster since but I also have invested just as much detail and work into mine as well.

I apologize that I didnt hear your reference to my roster in one of the other videos but I admit I was irked. Like i said as a disclaimer in my first post I've always been a fan of your content for quite a while now but I was caught off guard by it.

It is what it is, but ultimately i appreciate the clarification from you. I'm done with rosters after this season anyway. It's been a fun couple of years.

**c4geron** · 08-06-2018, 03:07 PM

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I'm glad we could clear it up man, I didn't mean for it to ever feel like I stole your rosters.

**omega412930** · 08-06-2018, 10:59 PM

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Not taking sides here but for years ive dealt with this and seen this all over the place. The 2nd someone takes another roster and uses it as a base and makes edits it now becomes that users custom roster. It is heavily recommended that u credit the originator of the base out of respect but once edits are done it is now that person custom roster. We all do it to EA every year when we do our own edits as well. Again not taking sides cause i agree with both parties here. Everyone does great work for the most part on this site and usually list their edits from update to update.

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**dweeks82** · 08-11-2018, 04:17 PM

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I'm currently in the process of updating equipment and numbers for your draft class. Should have most of it done tonight. If you'd like, I can re-upload it so yours will be more accurate.

Also, just a suggestion, I would remove Shea Patterson for the sake of realism. He has signed a 6yr contract to join the Texas Rangers in 2019 after completing his eligibility at Michigan. I'm not entirely sure why any mock drafts have him listed, he will not be playing pro football barring some sort of weird situation where the Rangers release him from his contract.

*UPDATE* First 4 rounds AND all QB's and RB's have been fixed for numbers and equipment. I require a minimum of 3-4 different games of wearing equipment sets before adding them. Also fixed some misspelled names and skin tones that were wrong.

**dweeks82** · 08-11-2018, 04:27 PM

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Also, for a heads up, there seems to be an issue with CB Michael Jackson of Miami. When you go into edit player, his player model does not show up and within 5-10 seconds it crashes the game. I've attempted a redownload of your class with the same issue occurring multiple times.

*UPDATE* Confirmed error with this player. I edited his ratings to drop him out of the draft until fixed, and now if you attempt to go in and edit any other player, no player models load. Once you go in to edit Jackson, no player models show up for any players anymore. Even after a re-load of the class. I saved it as a test class, so base class with edits is still safe.

**c4geron** · 08-12-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by dweeks82

Also, for a heads up, there seems to be an issue with CB Michael Jackson of Miami. When you go into edit player, his player model does not show up and within 5-10 seconds it crashes the game. I've attempted a redownload of your class with the same issue occurring multiple times.

*UPDATE* Confirmed error with this player. I edited his ratings to drop him out of the draft until fixed, and now if you attempt to go in and edit any other player, no player models load. Once you go in to edit Jackson, no player models show up for any players anymore. Even after a re-load of the class. I saved it as a test class, so base class with edits is still safe.

Hmm i'll try and take a look at this as well. Thanks for the edits as well!

**PanthersFan2000** · 08-12-2018, 09:21 PM

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Will this come out for ps4?
Also great work on your roster although I'm not able to see it.

**k_mac** · 08-12-2018, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by dweeks82

Also, just a suggestion, I would remove Shea Patterson for the sake of realism. He has signed a 6yr contract to join the Texas Rangers in 2019 after completing his eligibility at Michigan. I'm not entirely sure why any mock drafts have him listed, he will not be playing pro football barring some sort of weird situation where the Rangers release him from his contract.

He also hasn't played organized baseball since his junior year of high school. I think Shea's good to go in the class, a signed MLB contract wouldn't stop him from playing from entering the NFL draft. IIRC, he's a 2nd round talent in this created draft class. I have a hard time believing that if it shakes out that way, he'd turn down the NFL (and 2nd round money compared to 39th round MLB money) to play a sport he's been away from for that long. In that situation, it would be more like Russell Wilson than Kyler Murray.

Anyway, I had a chance to sim a season today and I was surprised how nicely the draft turned out. Thank you, I'm looking forward to the future updates and classes.

**beekay415** · 08-13-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by dweeks82

I'm currently in the process of updating equipment and numbers for your draft class. Should have most of it done tonight. If you'd like, I can re-upload it so yours will be more accurate.

Also, just a suggestion, I would remove Shea Patterson for the sake of realism. He has signed a 6yr contract to join the Texas Rangers in 2019 after completing his eligibility at Michigan. I'm not entirely sure why any mock drafts have him listed, he will not be playing pro football barring some sort of weird situation where the Rangers release him from his contract.

*UPDATE* First 4 rounds AND all QB's and RB's have been fixed for numbers and equipment. I require a minimum of 3-4 different games of wearing equipment sets before adding them. Also fixed some misspelled names and skin tones that were wrong.

Did you upload this?

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**beekay415** · 08-13-2018, 02:10 PM

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Also if anyone needs help with editing or researching info lemme know. Would love to get some great classes on PC

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**dweeks82** · 08-15-2018, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by k_mac

He also hasn't played organized baseball since his junior year of high school. I think Shea's good to go in the class, a signed MLB contract wouldn't stop him from playing from entering the NFL draft. IIRC, he's a 2nd round talent in this created draft class. I have a hard time believing that if it shakes out that way, he'd turn down the NFL (and 2nd round money compared to 39th round MLB money) to play a sport he's been away from for that long. In that situation, it would be more like Russell Wilson than Kyler Murray.

Anyway, I had a chance to sim a season today and I was surprised how nicely the draft turned out. Thank you, I'm looking forward to the future updates and classes.

I'm aware of all this lol. But the difference is Wilson didn't sign a contract to join the Rockies, he signed to keep his baseball love alive and play here and there. It is specifically being reported that Patterson has signed a contract to JOIN the Rangers' organization in 2019 after completing his eligibility at Michigan. And frankly, he is not that good lol. He's better off pursuing baseball.

Baseball is smarter in the long run. Longer career, you're not a walking corpse when you're done, and if you're even semi good you make more money. Remember, Jeff Samardzjla turned down almost a guaranteed 1st or 2nd round draft spot for baseball. It isn't unheard of. I'm fine with keeping him in the class, but I can almost guarantee he will not be in the Draft in 2019, let alone period.

C4's PC Draft Classes [FULL 2019 Classes Posted]

C4's PC Draft Classes [FULL 2019 Classes Posted]

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