Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

[Boiler569]

I don't find myself on my back too often, but when I do I like to try to work methodically back to guard rather than go for the home run escape or reversal (depending on situation of course).

Last night was one of those times...I was messing around in Quick Match and a guy took me down. I sort of let him but that's besides the point

I got into full guard and starting throwing elbows from the bottom. I landed at least 4 before he went for a transition to half guard. I denied it and landed a few more. Any other time I would have been trying to stand-up or reverse the guy, but thought...hey let me try to land another dozen or so elbows from bottom just to see if I can accumulate any damage.

The answer was no lol

I don't want elbows from the bottom to be one-hitta-quittas or anything close to that. Not even as powerful as Single Collar elbows post-patch. Maybe 1/2 that or 1/3rd?

But as it stands now, dudes can take like 3 dozen elbows to the face and have essentially no drain on the head health.

Again I'm not looking for Rocks or Knockouts or anything lol BUT if I am able to land a half dozen or more elbows to my opponent from the bottom...that should take off at least a few percent of his long-term head health, don't you agree? If only because "in real life" those can cause nastyyyyy cuts which can put a fighter into jeopardy.

What do you think???


I consider "A Little More Damage" to be about 1/4th to 1/3rd the damage of a single collar elbow post-patch

I consider "A Lot More Damage" to be more than 1/3rd the damage of a SC elbow

[Papadoc60]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

You can pretty much KO people in rubber guard by draining all their head health with elbows before sweeping to mount, I don't personally think that the full guard ones need to do much more damage.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

Bleeding yes ...nominal damage yes . Especially Ferguson from rubber guard .

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[Phillyboi207]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

No

But I would love a perk for them

That way certain guys could F you up with them

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

I'm curious how much it influences judging (if at all). When I'm on the bottom, I'm always looking to get to full guard and go to work with elbows. That's especially true when my opponent isn't doing much. It doesn't seem to have much of an effect on damage that I can tell, but I like that I'm staying busy, and it helps me transition out a lot just because I'm giving them more to think about.

[Trillz]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

For ea ufc 4 bleeding needs to be realistic, and have a bleeding effect from getting elbowed or kneed alot which will result in cuts. however its hard to add a game mechanic to this as its something you cannot replicate from real life when blood is going into your eyes. It would look stupid for your screen to get blurry from blood.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

A little more, wouldnt be fair to the top considering how u wouldnt have the same option

[Boiler569]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

You can pretty much KO people in rubber guard by draining all their head health with elbows before sweeping to mount, I don't personally think that the full guard ones need to do much more damage.

Great Point.

I meant to say this is for 'regular guard' only not rubber guard.

Do you know if Rubber Guard elbows do more damage? I seem to remember they did but I haven't been caught-up in rubber guard for a long time.

But this poll is for 'regular' guard only

[Boiler569]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

A little more, wouldnt be fair to the top considering how u wouldnt have the same option

I'd be up for postured-down, Full Mount DOM elbows to do more damage as a 'fair trade'

Not sure if I want Full Guard DOM elbows to get too much of a buff but then again I'm almost always about More Damage where it makes sense.

I really like the idea of a Perk being tied to this somehow.

And/or your BOT attribute. Maybe if you have 88 BOT you won't do that much damage but if you have 95 BOT you will?

[Boiler569]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

11 out of 12 respondents want more damage; about an even split between "a little bit" and "a lot"

That's about as clear as a poll gets in this community. I def. hope this is looked into for a future live tuner as it should be a super easy tweak.

There are other positions on the ground that might also benefit from a tweak or two to amp-up damage. Postured down Full Mount elbows for one (again I don't want them to be devastating, but if you land a half dozen of them and opponent isn't even trying to move, should do nominal damage, a couple % off head health at least).

But at the least, Full Guard (not Rubber Guard) Elbows From The Bottom should pose at least a little bit of damage to the guy on top, especially if they eat a half dozen or more in a row.

[Boiler569]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

Given the recent focus on grappling, I wanted to BUMP this thread --- hope that's OK Admins

Just about EVERYONE who has voted, agrees that elbows from the bottom should do more damage. The only question is "how much?"

Thoughts?

Would add a lot of strategy to the Guard/Rubber Guard positions

[SKITZADACTYL]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

if they open cuts and you got your opponent bleeding everywhere then the guy who's opened up like crazy should have some sort of longterm damage like not getting as much health or stamina back the next round, or slowing down stamina recovery a little bit.


i think FNC had something like that, where if you were cut you didn't get as much recovery in between rounds.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

Elbows from guard should absolutely do more damage.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

I guess so, as long as it just weakens the head health in standup. I don't wanna see KOs directly from it. But why do those particular elbows come out so much faster than elbows from top or clinch strikes? Lol, it kills me how fast those seem to come out from bottom.

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[WarMMA]

Re: Would You Like To See More Damage Done By Elbows From SUB Guard?

No

But I would love a perk for them

That way certain guys could F you up with them

This. Also they should be able to cut more often than not.