Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

[NoLeafClover]

I'm shocked given the "sim" nature of this forum how little negative feedback there's been about how ridiculously easy it is to hit 3 pointers in NBA2K19.

This isn't just about Sharphooters in the MyPlayer modes (Rec/Park/Pro Am) being broken in terms of both distance and ease of 3 point shots making 2 point shots seem basically worthless... it's also the case where what should be a viable strategy (like sagging off Russell Westbrook for example) isn't viable because the game gives far too much of a "boost" just for being open as opposed to the shooter's abilities.

I get that many of you play MyLeague and can manually turn down sliders to make open 3's hit at a realistic rate, but for the rest of us who enjoy playing online as well, seeing people shoot 9/10 for 3 in a majority of games just kills the variety and skill needed to play good basketball.

It also inherently de-values interior players, both in terms of post scoring/dunking/layups/floaters/midrange etc. but also for shot blockers and rebounders as there's no chance to block 3's, and no chance to grab rebounds when everything goes in.

Given that Steph Curry (regarded as the greatest shooter ever) shoots something like 45% on open 3's, I have no idea what the gameplay guys at 2K are thinking allowing such a high rate of 3's to go in.

YES, if you contest the 3 closely it lowers the chance, but just being "open" shouldn't be a HUNDRED PERCENT chance of hitting the 3... I mean even capping it at something like 70% would be a big improvement and still way better than anyone has ever shot in real life.

What are your thoughts on 3 point shooting overall at the moment?

[3ShowTime2]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

I'm shocked given the "sim" nature of this forum how little negative feedback there's been about how ridiculously easy it is to hit 3 pointers in NBA2K19.

Little negative feedback? Its been discussed excessivelyhere in various threads including feedback threads. Im also pretty sure that 2k has noticed the feedback on twitter etc.


I dont have anything more to say regarding 3pt shooting in general sorry. Its op, simple, and the way its currently implemented does not resemble anything close to bball.

[EarvGotti]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

Little negative feedback? Its been discussed excessivelyhere in various threads including feedback threads. Im also pretty sure that 2k has noticed the feedback on twitter etc.


I dont have anything more to say regarding 3pt shooting in general sorry. Its op, simple, and the way its currently implemented does not resemble anything close to bball.

I hate the high 3pt percentages too but to be fair....the real NBA is dominated by 3pt shooting. There's no getting around that. So i can see why its similar in 2k...

[NoLeafClover]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

Little negative feedback? Its been discussed excessivelyhere in various threads including feedback threads. Im also pretty sure that 2k has noticed the feedback on twitter etc.


I dont have anything more to say regarding 3pt shooting in general sorry. Its op, simple, and the way its currently implemented does not resemble anything close to bball.

Well apologies as the search function on this forum might suck as returned no results with it in the title. With how severe it is it deserves its own dedicated topic in my opinion.

[NoLeafClover]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

I hate the high 3pt percentages too but to be fair....the real NBA is dominated by 3pt shooting. There's no getting around that. So i can see why its similar in 2k...

It's not a matter of volume, but efficiency. Shooting a high AMOUNT of 3s is fine; hitting 80+% of them is not.

Especially when they're worth an extra point and the whole purpose of them existing in the NBA is their added difficulty vs. 2 point shots.

[3ShowTime2]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

I hate the high 3pt percentages too but to be fair....the real NBA is dominated by 3pt shooting. There's no getting around that. So i can see why its similar in 2k...

I dont care about the volume, people can take as much 3pt shots as they want if they like to play that way. Its the % at which they fall as you say yourself and especially the type of 3pt shots (hello fadeaway halfcourt shots that get buffed by limitless range, deeprange deadeye, difficult shots and possibly dimer) that go in at that clip.

[ruxpinke]

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really shocked and disappointed by the lack of communication from Mike Wang on this, this game is really close to being really good. I'm an optimist and a bball junkie and still having fun with it despite the flaws, but to not have any type of communication on this is mind boggling.

I only play park online. I can live with the inflated percentages on catch and shoot situations, there has to be adjustment to moving/fading 3 point shots, as well as a stiff penalty on shots after a certain number of dribbles from the pure shooting builds. zig - zagging behind a pick should become a low percentage proposition. I believe they were able to patch this in in 16 or 17. this will encourage more team ball and more dynamic play. this with a slight buff to inside shooting and we are in a much better place imo.

[Fullspeed]

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The game will never be "sim" online because of green releases. Ever since they introduced that mechanic 2k became more arcadey every year. I don't know who thought making 100% of your open shots because you "timed your release correctly" was a good idea. Online is closer to playing nba jam than an nba simulation. 2k dug themselves a hole because people already invested time and money into their shooters and they can't nerf it.

The game is essentially a 3pt shootout online and whoever make the most will win. Why attempt a layup if it only worth two points and there a high chance you will miss when you can green a three pointer.

[Goffs]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

It's not a matter of volume, but efficiency. Shooting a high AMOUNT of 3s is fine; hitting 80+% of them is not.

Especially when they're worth an extra point and the whole purpose of them existing in the NBA is their added difficulty vs. 2 point shots.

This...so is it a roster ratings issue? Tendencies? Mike tried to tune it and that didn't go too well.



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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

This...so is it a roster ratings issue? Tendencies? Mike tried to tune it and that didn't go too well.



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Correction. Mike attempted to tune it then changed his mind and reverted everything back to Day 1 sliders.

[ruxpinke]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

Correction. Mike attempted to tune it then changed his mind and reverted everything back to Day 1 sliders.

I thought he changed it slightly, if I recall correctly he did one tuning, then a second one a day later, which he thought was too tough (I loved it). Then he rolled it back to that first tuning. Which was slightly tougher than out of the box.

Then came the patch which was supposed to help with shot contests.


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

I thought he changed it slightly, if I recall correctly he did one tuning, then a second one a day later, which he thought was too tough (I loved it). Then he rolled it back to that first tuning. Which was slightly tougher than out of the box.

Then came the patch which was supposed to help with shot contests.


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I'm pretty sure we're on Day 1 sliders. However, his original tweet said "2 days ago". I guess it doesn't matter, because the percentages are still sightly too high coming off screens and when contested. I only say sightly, because I play PNO and people let the AI play their defense. If they nerf it too much, then it will become difficult to score in general.

[ph33]

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Sharpshooters that leak out in transition and have a free run to the rim often stop at the wings or run to the corners to take a 3 instead of a freebie layup when they have no defense in front of them.

The only time this should ever happen is if you're on fire and it's a heat check. But there's no incentive to do that because of how easily the 3 will go in.

[OrlandoTill]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

I think there are multiple points to argue about within the shooting system.

1st problem(Tendencies and Rating divide) Passive Shooters

Take Rubio for example he torched OKC in the playoffs. He still is a passive shooter though as a player. How do you even convey this in a video game?

So what rating should Rubio have(bad ratings cause he doesn't have the tendency to shoot or good ratings cause he torched OKC).

You can do that for every bad shooter down the line(Wall, Westbrook, Roberson).

When do you control when is a good shot for these players because the user will approach the situation like it is not real life.

2nd problem(Global Ratings) My theory of MyCareer

My general understanding is that ratings are global

So take MyCareer for example
There are people who want to be viable players for many archetypes in MyCareer which means you need shooting for those archetypes and that affects other modes.

There are builds that have little to no shooting but 2K made them viable with OK ratings.

It makes having a 60 rating weird because some guys say you should be able to shoot(max cap for MyCareer non-shooting build) so the game is tuned so you can earn that bronze shooting badge at 60 but a NBA roster player with that same rating cashes consistently like he's gunning for an imaginary badge he shouldn't be getting.

That is a conflict.

3rd problem(New Mechanic: Green Window)
The Green Window breaks the game. By adding such a mechanic you added a reward for skill in shooting which is why I am not against the mechanic. But at the same time this overly rewards average players because now you get people who are greening everything(finding only 1-2 good releases that get a good green window).

This destroys the need for a "custom" or even a realistic jumpshot(no one is using slower older era players jumpshots) when only 1-2 get the "however many millsecond" green window. By not addressing adding a higher skill gap of getting open for shooters with a reward like the Green Window mechanic. It makes shooting too beneficial and gamebreaking for the meta of basketball in the 2K community.

My thoughts are

Just give passive shooters bad ratings. *Insert Bad shooter here* going 1-9 more times than not would give defenders a more realistic sense then letting offensive users know he can sometimes shoot with 7-11 games(though letting them earn shooting rhythm through Takeover/rhythm system sounds like a good compromise).

Seperate the ratings of MyCareer and normal modes(bad NBA shooters should stay bad)

Attack the movement of shooters in the next game(or if easier remove the Green Window entirely)

Make Slower Jumpshots more viable(this will eliminate users going to 1-2 jumpshots )

Address the success of Corner 3's

[loso_34]

Re: Is everyone here OK with the ridiculously high rate at which 3 pointers go in?

He has his hands tied.

There’s a crowd out there who believes there is some skill in shooting despite 90% of players using a shot meter as a crutch with the same 4 jump shot animations.

So yea people attribute the word skill to areas of the game like shooting and rage if they shoot less than 80% wide open. To them ratings don’t really matter only the timing should be a function and they outnumber you guys.

At this point 2k uses the nba license to sell their cash cow that is the park. 2k17 was the last time mike looked out for the offline crowd I believe he he even gave us a offline slider set here that produced realistic shooting %’s.