i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

[SUGATA]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

It does not give any GA to the opponent, nor does it slow down stamina regen.

1) About GA - i was not concrete enough it seems, i mean High blocking (holding R2) in Stand up gives GA to the opponent.

2) Blocking in ANY state (Stand up, Clinch, Ground) slow down your Stamina regeneration by 20-30%. And this is not a bug, but very right and realistic Devs' decision!
1st attempt - w/o Block = 7 sec
2nd attempt - w Block = 10 sec

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Man, this is the last time when you provoke me to waste time on creating a video to answer to your counters. No more.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

1) About GA - i was not concrete enough it seems, i mean High blocking (holding R2) in Stand up gives GA to the opponent.

2) Blocking in ANY state (Stand up, Clinch, Ground) slow down your Stamina regeneration by 20-30%.
1st attempt - w/o Block = 7 sec
2nd attempt - w Block = 10 sec

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Man, this is the last time when you provoke me to waste time on creating a video to answer to your counters. No more.

You again prove yourself to either be purposefully misleading to try and save face or to not have a strong enough grasp on English to debate.

No one in this topic is talking about stand up. You mean to tell me that while everyone is talking about the ground denials and you come in to chat about clinch and takedown denials?

Your point about denials was they couldn't be preemptively denied. So if you were talking about standup denials, why say something so obviously false? Why, in the middle of a debate about GROUND denials, would you say holding R2 gives the opponent GA without clarifying you meant standing up?

You are also STILL wrong about blocking reducing recovery time (except during standup, which we were NOT talking about). I don't see any difference in recovery while in full guard in the video and I just tried it myself in several positions on the ground. No change in recovery time. You do lose recovery in single collar while blocking, but not in any other clinch position (maybe submissive Muay Thai, didn't test it). There is even an animation in single collar for holding block, but not in the others. That to me signifies the fact that single collar is an outlier.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

So the fact that you can hold RT/R2 without penalty proves that the many casuals having issues with denials are all wrong...okay....lol

Way to be dishonest there buddy.

The fact that you can hold R2 and then flick your controlstick to pre-deny by guessing at the slightest movement of your opponent means that your suggestion is utterly useless and wouldn't change a damn thing.

It would benefit my grandma because her reaction time isn't that good. It would benefit those ******* lagswitchers. But for the average player it wouldn't make any difference what so ever.

1) About GA - i was not concrete enough it seems, i mean High blocking (holding R2) in Stand up gives GA to the opponent.

Liar.

[SUGATA]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Liar.

wellcome to ignore list.

[SUGATA]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

You are also STILL wrong about blocking reducing recovery time (except during standup, which we were NOT talking about). I don't see any difference in recovery while in full guard in the video and I just tried it myself in several positions on the ground. No change in recovery time. You do lose recovery in single collar while blocking, but not in any other clinch position (maybe submissive Muay Thai, didn't test it). There is even an animation in single collar for holding block, but not in the others. That to me signifies the fact that single collar is an outlier.

there is a difference, but it is different for different positions.

i dont see blocking animation in SC (as you used this as argument).


you said:

nor does it slow down stamina regen.

now you are changing your words and talking about "exceptions" trying to "save face".

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

wellcome to ignore list.

Your loss buddy. I agree with you on plenty of things. But you're lying to save face. I'll call you out every ****ing time.

[Zeta Reticulan1]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Way to be dishonest there buddy.

The fact that you can hold R2 and then flick your controlstick to pre-deny by guessing at the slightest movement of your opponent means that your suggestion is utterly useless and wouldn't change a damn thing.

It would benefit my grandma because her reaction time isn't that good. It would benefit those ******* lagswitchers. But for the average player it wouldn't make any difference what so ever.

Memorizing the animations allows you to react faster to the start up frames of animations because you know what to look for.

Casuals don't have this benefit, so they don't know what they are looking for the majority of the time and they will react too late.
In addition to this, holding for a denial just makes much more sense to them intuitively as well. NEWWS is a BJJ blue belt and agrees that holding something for denials just makes more sense.

Creating this mechanic just seems like a no brainer. And as I stated previously, it's not my suggestion. It was originally suggested by ZHunter.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Memorizing the animations allows you to react faster to the start up frames of animations because you know what to look for.

Again, you're not trying to recognize the animation, you're pre-denying.

Casuals don't have this benefit, so they don't know what they are looking for the majority of the time and they will react too late.

There's no benefit to be had. It's pure reaction time.

You're reacting to any movement, not to a particular animation.

The only way this strategy fails (aside from guessing the wrong direction or having my grandmas reaction time) is if they fake you out and then immediately transition. At that point, you're not longer the type of casual we're talking about.

In addition to this, holding for a denial just makes much more sense to them intuitively as well. NEWWS is a BJJ blue belt and agrees that holding something for denials just makes more sense.

It never did to me. So where does that leave us?

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

there is a difference, but it is different for different positions.

i dont see blocking animation in SC (as you used this as argument).


you said:
now you are changing your words and talking about "exceptions" trying to "save face".

Now you’re ignoring the fact that we can blatantly see there is no time change going on in your video for full guard. Ignoring the fact that only ONE position decreases regen. Ignoring literally everything else you’ve been called out on.

I can’t believe you got away with lying this long until I started actually reading your abhorrently long and redundant posts.

I’ve found when someone says they’re done responding to someone and then immediately responds to them, they are at the end of their rope, mentally.


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[Zeta Reticulan1]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Again, you're not trying to recognize the animation, you're pre-denying.

There's no benefit to be had. It's pure reaction time.

You're reacting to any movement, not to a particular animation.

The point is that hardcore players are recognizing small movements based on the animations they've memorized, and this gives them a big advantage with denying transitions.

Casual players don't have this big advantage. These are small movements, sometimes extremely small movements, that are very easy to miss unless you know what you're looking for.

It never did to me. So where does that leave us?

You never even played Undisputed 3, you admitted it yourself. So this leaves us with one person who is not very knowledgeable about the grappling denials being discussed.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

The point is that hardcore players are recognizing small movements based on the animations they've memorized, and this gives them a big advantage with denying transitions.

Casual players don't have this big advantage. These are small movements, sometimes extremely small movements, that are very easy to miss unless you know what you're looking for.




You never even played Undisputed 3, you admitted it yourself. So this leaves us with one person who is not very knowledgeable about the grappling denials being discussed.

Well, what I did to learn the directions was just go on training mode, turn the HUD on and have my brother be the other fighter. Took about 5-10 minutes to learn how to deny transitions.

[MacGowan]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Well, what I did to learn the directions was just go on training mode, turn the HUD on and have my brother be the other fighter. Took about 5-10 minutes to learn how to deny transitions.

ah, so to learn transition denials you need to buy a second controller?

[RomeroXVII]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

ah, so to learn transition denials you need to buy a second controller?

I mean, when you have brothers it helps to have more than one controller.

You can also just simply check which way is which in training mode, which doesn't take much brain power to understand.

Edit: Or...*drum roll*
Have friends to practice with!
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[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Man this thread really blew up ...





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[SUGATA]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

ah, so to learn transition denials you need to buy a second controller?

Very many things in EA UFC to learn and explore - requires 2nd controller.
In UFC3 less b/c of Recirding tool but it works only for Stand up.