After 20 years legacy issues have killed this game.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Player vs CPU franchise has not improved since 2k14 on the PC. Certain things have improved but legacy issues either keep getting worse or more noticeable as other aspects improve. I'm just going to name some of them. I might update with more.

1. The default shooting is juiced. That fallaway has been juiced 4 a while.

2. Big man rebounding is overpowered
I been saying this as Xboxing2006 for more than a decade easy. Its coded in the ratings. If anyone knows a roster that boost the rebounding for guards let me know. It seems like Centers grab 10 plus rebounds every game. Every Center is like Andre Drummond and Andre Drummond will grab 13 rebounds a half like its nothing. I usally play 11 minn qtrs and he rebounds like I'm playing 15 minn qtrs. Guards are always below their real rebounding avgs.


3. The CPU is unnecessarily overpowered. Big rebounding and juiced shooting play a role but its also the way the game treats your CPU players. If you arent controlling them then they are like Pro players vs Allstar, Superstar and Hof.

4. Playing deny and even tight results in the CPU getting burned to the basket. Not much fun when you are getting killed on the break because your CPU players stink

5. Even though shooting is juiced we always end up with patches that decrease user shooting resulting in phenomenon where players who shoot well but don't have badges have underpowered three point shooting.

6. The series has never balanced a quick responsive defensive stance with an offensive player that can drive through the baseline without getting ridden and slowed.

7. Blocking fouls don't balance with 6

8. Which creates a lack of fouls that are usually made up with more shooting fouls.

9. Because of 3 you are forced to contest more but now you are paying for it because of 8.

10. Poor ratings means you consistently hear announcers who are surprised that people who shoot 3s in real life or can dunk well in real life do so in the game. Like the sliders the ratings are always weak out of the box.

[coldkevin]

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Player vs CPU franchise has not improved since 2k14 on the PC. Certain things have improved but legacy issues either keep getting worse or more noticeable as other aspects improve. I'm just going to name some of them. I might update with more.

1. The default shooting is juiced. That fallaway has been juiced 4 a while.

2. Big man rebounding is overpowered
I been saying this as Xboxing2006 for more than a decade easy. Its coded in the ratings. If anyone knows a roster that boost the rebounding for guards let me know. It seems like Centers grab 10 plus rebounds every game. Every Center is like Andre Drummond and Andre Drummond will grab 13 rebounds a half like its nothing. I usally play 11 minn qtrs and he rebounds like I'm playing 15 minn qtrs. Guards are always below their real rebounding avgs.


3. The CPU is unnecessarily overpowered. Big rebounding and juiced shooting play a role but its also the way the game treats your CPU players. If you arent controlling them then they are like Pro players vs Allstar, Superstar and Hof.

4. Playing deny and even tight results in the CPU getting burned to the basket. Not much fun when you are getting killed on the break because your CPU players stink

5. Even though shooting is juiced we always end up with patches that decrease user shooting resulting in phenomenon where players who shoot well but don't have badges have underpowered three point shooting.

6. The series has never balanced a quick responsive defensive stance with an offensive player that can drive through the baseline without getting ridden and slowed.

7. Blocking fouls don't balance with 6

8. Which creates a lack of fouls that are usually made up with more shooting fouls.

9. Because of 3 you are forced to contest more but now you are paying for it because of 8.

10. Poor ratings means you consistently hear announcers who are surprised that people who shoot 3s in real life or can dunk well in real life do so in the game. Like the sliders the ratings are always weak out of the box.

I don't understand why they continue to praise this game this year, let themselves be influenced by beautiful graphics, new animations, when what we really want is a real basketball simulation. Maybe I'll be criticized but, as I see it, 2k19 is the worst version out of the box that has ever been released in recent years, and sliders tweakings seems that doesn't solve the problems. I think this is due to the fact of not having competitors on market of basketball videogames, and no, nba live cannot be considered a serious competitor.

[olajuwon34]

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Yah i really dont know what their doing with the games now, the engine their trying to push cant be balanced properly, i think playing the prelude was just a new experience from 2k18 and made me buy this one, but playing this one its still broken balancing. 2 games straight is enough for me to realize they may have lost the ability to make these games properly, good time to stop buying them.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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Oh I forgot

11. Update Required.
This stupid %^#$&$^ has been in the game since at least 16. We are in 19. Who's idea was to cover the screen telling you to return to the main menu for an update and keep it god 4%@#5@#
743 mfp\legfk l[ngfbs there? You don't cover the screen in game with shot meters. I can barely code roshambo and I could fix this.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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12. Cut scenes where you still can't manual sub. How long has that been in the game. This is especially a problem when its before the 4th qtr.

[Moroccan_Boy]

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I agree with all of the above but #.2 is a big problem!!!

In my last game siakam could box out 3 athletic guards in one box out they stay behind him stuck in some imaginary boxout magnetic field ...

cant at least one of the those 3 go and snatch that board instead of literally standing behind him for 3 seconds watching him box us out ,go up grab that board and go up again dunking it and all 3 of my defenders swat in the air for flies or something...that there needs to go ASAP ..

also that rebound where the big is falling back extending his arm behind his body and grabbing a board one handedly without even looking back ?!and that animation pops up at an alarming rate ..

[CaseIH]

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I tend to agree, with about the Legacy issues, that the devs either refuse to fix, or dont know how to fix them, so they just ignore it, when people complain every yr, about the same issues.


I will say, in NBA2k19, the rebounding is much improved from yrs past, IMO. I use the Pacers, and My guards, tend to grab more rebounds than Ive seen in, probably ever in this game, and Ive been playing 2k basketball since the very 1st one they ever made.
Could it be a little better, still? Yeah, I think the Bigs could be toned down a little more, but it is improved, especially from the last couple yrs.



I am sic and tired of them touting up all the things they add each yr, to MyLeague, and yet they dont fix the issues that have been there for yrs, and sometimes the new additions, dont even work right


As with all these sports games, its becoming more and more about human vs human with online play, and less about actually making a sports game, that is a simulation of the real thing. Even MLBTS , devs do a crappy job with their Franchise mode, although theres is usually playable, they just dont really add to do , too make it deeper. And obviously Madden franchise is a joke. With NBA2k, their Franchise mode, is deeper than any console sports game, but its hard to enjoy do to the issues, the devs dont fix every yr.


I keep telling myself every yr, not to buy day 1, and wait and see. I started doing that with Madden yrs ago and havent bought it since like 2012, and the fews yrs I have not bough MLBTS, a couple times, and didnt buy it this yr do to the issues, and lack of franchise improvements. So I just need to break myself from buying NBA2k on day 1, and play the wait and see game, each yr, because it would save me money most yrs, because I wouldnt end up buying it. But every yr, I give in to the hype or lies whichever way you want to look at it from the 2k team. It would be easier to not buy NBA2k if there was a good text sim basketball game, like baseball has with OOTP, but there is not, unfortunately.

[ForeverVersatile]

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Yeah I've came to terms with this just not being a good game anymore. Everything feels so clunky and clumsy at times.

2K needs to go to a 2 years cycle and start replacing the engine systems starting with the movement and physics. Game mechanics and algorithms should follow because however they're determining makes and misses has been broken for years. Fadeaway 3 still regularly going in but can't make moderately open layups and under the basket lay in's?

Defense is so overpowered now that it makes offensive movement feel clunky and unpleasant. They made defense unrealistic not better. Harder doesn't mean more realistic.

This is the main reason people play off ball online more than ever. They know unless you do something the ai is vulnerable to that you'll be kept in check.

You literally have to be in the protect stance at all times. When do you see Kyrie or Steph need to turn their back to the defender for a whole possession? Most defenders irl aren't aggressive as 2K makes them to be.

Another problem for me is the the lack of dribble movement this year. Why take away all that control we had last year because park players complained they triggered walking size ups unintentionally. I Do like the additions, but addition by subtraction is never good.

I dunno, i think this game will be an after thought for me now more than ever.


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[DW3]

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For me, the past three years i've hated the "shooting" feel in this game. what i mean is the release point should be at the top of the jump, but in 2k this isnt necessarily the case. maybe i just suck at the game now, but since they've gone to the shot meter mechanic, i feel the feel of shooting has suffered.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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2. Seems to have gotten worse in 2k20.
There is a regression of an older issue that was trending in the right direction. I’ll make that 13 but remember this is not in order of rank.
13. Centers and PFs are too slow in relation to guards. This might have something to do with 14.
A few examples on the Trail Blazers.

¾ sprint, Speed rating
Wenyen Gabriel 3.32, 67
Gary Trent 3.12, 88
Jaylen Hoard 3.32,63
Moses Brown 3.5, 43
Lillard 3.34 92

Well you say but Lillard is a star, in great shape with a great work ethic? I agree he should get a speed boost for being that dude in the offseason. I’ll even entertain that Visual Concepts tracks the players speed. Maybe they know more than some combine sprint. I’ll entertain that until it plays out in the game. What I’m saying is that Lillard in transition is Lillard is playing highschool basketball. In a 12 minn qtr game I get about transition 2 dunks a game with Damian Lillard. I’m mainly blowing past slow tired bigs. I’ll include a couple transition layups and right there you have four FGs artificially boosting his FG percentage. I’m sure if Lillard likes it Antetokounmpo loves it. Imagine being a fast big man with all these slow bigs. Portland is not unusual. As a whole there is a lack of speed parity.





14. As a whole the game is too slow.
This is the game compensating for the lack of speed parity. Slow the entire game down to slow the stars, guards and star guards down online. How else can you make the game playable online with such a speed advantage? The answer has been to slow everything down. It seems that passes are faster than 19 but the players are slower. Big men look like are in slow motion.


15. The CPU’s defense doesn’t protect the basket at the expense of the shot. I’m not saying they should always do this. This is the age of the transition three. They just don’t do it enough. They don’t force the long two. Rim protectors don’t get back as often as they should. This isn’t just related to their lack of speed. It’s an Ai issue.

16. The CPU still doesn’t use obvious stoppers. My brother was using the 95 bulls against the current Trail Blazers and not once did they put Ariza on Jordan. I know the CJ on Pippen matchup is a post hook waiting happen but he shot the ball 60 times with Jordan. Also users aren’t able to use double stoppers in settings. We should be able to slot 2ndary matchups for defenders off the bench.

[TGsoGood]

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I hope I don't get killed for asking, but what is the basketball game that you guys enjoy playing?


This is a genuine question and not meant as condescending or sarcastic.

[splashmountain]

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I hope I don't get killed for asking, but what is the basketball game that you guys enjoy playing?


This is a genuine question and not meant as condescending or sarcastic.

Thats the point. we dont have an option anymore. i dont know how old you are. but there was a time where there were not 1, not 2, not 3, but like 4 or 5 different basketball games out at the same time. you had plenty of choices. and they all played different, they all had their pros and cons. all of these options pushed each other to make better games and to reach for a more realistic game for most of the 4 to 5 options.

since we only have 1 option. They can put out anything just about and we will have to play it because we have no other backup for a so called virtual basketball experience. now i will say this, if 2k keeps getting worse and worse and worse. eventually it wont resemble actual basketball and a lot of us will finally stop playing 2k as well. that is a fact.

let me tell you how bad this game is becoming. There are games where i Have fun and lose or win. but these are becoming less and less. there are games where i win and i dont have fun. This last part is the real problem. Its because the game is too frustrating. It attempts to create challenges that are unnecessary. its as if you're playing a basketball game and then all of a sudden it becomes a puzzle game. then back to basketball, then back to a puzzle. its like bro, i just want to play the game of basketball. why all this extra nonsense?

[Charles Bliss]

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I'm enjoying the game this year, my biggest problem is the movement! I thought it was better at launch. Since then I made some movement sliders, but the last patch messed screwed them up. I guess I'll have find another set I hope we get better movement in 2K21.

[belikemike]

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if 2k keeps getting worse and worse and worse. eventually it wont resemble actual basketball and a lot of us will finally stop playing 2k as well.

Starting with 2k18 up until now I would say that's already happened. People can kid themselves into believing this game actually resembles NBA basketball, but its turned into nothing more than highlight reel arcade basketball for little kids and bums that know nothing about real basketball strategy and teamwork. It's now designed soley so they can cash in off from casual gamers in the form of microtransactions.

Like you said the lack of any sort of competition today has really ruined things. 2k always used to be focused on simulation basketball, but they've strayed so far the other direction with no other basketball game out there. I personally don't find that much enjoyment playing 2k like I used to and have way more fun playing other games. 2k is more frustrating then it is fun to play anymore.

[MrWrestling3]

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Starting with 2k18 up until now I would say that's already happened. People can kid themselves into believing this game actually resembles NBA basketball, but its turned into nothing more than highlight reel arcade basketball for little kids and bums that know nothing about real basketball strategy and teamwork. It's now designed soley so they can cash in off from casual gamers in the form of microtransactions.

Like you said the lack of any sort of competition today has really ruined things. 2k always used to be focused on simulation basketball, but they've strayed so far the other direction with no other basketball game out there. I personally don't find that much enjoyment playing 2k like I used to and have way more fun playing other games. 2k is more frustrating then it is fun to play anymore.

I agree for the most part. IMO 2K is no longer competing with other basketball games that appeal to sports gamers; it is competing with the Fortnites and Apex Legends of the gaming world. Games which appeal to casual gamers, hence the shift towards fast paced arcade play,e sports, the focus on micros,etc.

It probably doesn't help either that after the success of GTA Online, Take 2 basically decided they want to monetize every game under their umbrella to the max.