Driving takedown is a joke

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every fight is now being bum rushed to the cage from halfway across the ocotagon and then defending cage takdowns

Unbalanced broken garbage

[1212headkick]

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every fight is now being bum rushed to the cage from halfway across the ocotagon and then defending cage takdowns

Unbalanced broken garbage

Its balanced. Your just too lazy to learn the mechanics. Same is true for 90 percent of these kinds of posts. If your too dumb to deny early and counter guillotine that is your error. If something works im not stopping till you adjust

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Its balanced. Your just too lazy to learn the mechanics. Same is true for 90 percent of these kinds of posts. If your too dumb to deny early and counter guillotine that is your error. If something works im not stopping till you adjust

sounds like you’re one of the people abusing it so of course you’d defend it. and obviously the person is gonna deny the guillotne if they realize their stamina is low?

Objectively there’s no way to look at and not realize it’s a flawed mechanic and extremely unbalanced

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and if you have a fighter with low submissions the guillotine is hard to pull off no matter what so that’s not an actual counter

[1212headkick]

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If you deny early they have no stamina the guillotine is unstoppable you also have ga. Your arguments are laughable at best

[iceberg3445]

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every fight is now being bum rushed to the cage from halfway across the ocotagon and then defending cage takdowns



Unbalanced broken garbage

Make sure you sit on that pre deny. If denied, the driving takedown can deplete all their short term stamina and end with a sprawl. Seems pretty balanced considering the end result for them isn’t even a guaranteed takedown.

I personally love that addition because it happens in most MMA fights IRL, and it makes the clinch against the cage more relevant in game.


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[GrimLeiper]

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and if you have a fighter with low submissions the guillotine is hard to pull off no matter what so that’s not an actual counter

So get the denial right. Don't go for guillotine, break instead. If you've timed the denial, you'll be able to break from the cage with a good stamina advantage.

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[DickDickling]

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What is the input for Guillotine?

How do you counter takedown attempts ending in clinch?

[Donnie_Brasco_FR]

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So get the denial right. Don't go for guillotine, break instead. If you've timed the denial, you'll be able to break from the cage with a good stamina advantage.

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Not all the fighters have the break transition from this position.

[GrimLeiper]

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Not all the fighters have the break transition from this position.

Doesn't matter. Transition into over/under, then break. Of course, they can deny these, but if you're timing is off, they deserve the denial.

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[TheGentlemanGhost]

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Its balanced. Your just too lazy to learn the mechanics. Same is true for 90 percent of these kinds of posts. If your too dumb to deny early and counter guillotine that is your error. If something works im not stopping till you adjust

It's not balance, it's over compesating for poor, almost non-existent td windows in a realistic manner. Realistic takedown windows have become irrelevant for whatever reason in UFC 3 compared to UFC 2. Now everything is about undeniable tds and pre-denials to counter them, stats don't even seem to matter since every fighter is capable of performing undeniable tds or pre-denying them all the same.

I'm glad it can finally be a threat, but much like clinch striking, every single fighter now feels the same in this aspect. On top of that, this is a step back in realism esp since I can still deny a takedown easier if I'm on one leg in mid kick than I can when someone is bullrushing and can see it coming a mile away. It just doesn't make sense.

In short, realistic td windows needing to be denied in real time should definitely not be replaced by undeniable td animations you have to counter by pre-denying them. Hopefully UFC 4 gets back to basics on this and doesn't continue to follow this "undeniable" trend.

[GrimLeiper]

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It's not balance, it's over compesating for poor, almost non-existent td windows in a realistic manner. Realistic takedown windows have become irrelevant for whatever reason in UFC 3 compared to UFC 2. Now everything is about undeniable tds and pre-denials to counter them, stats don't even seem to matter since every fighter is capable of performing undeniable tds or pre-denying them all the same.

I'm glad it can finally be a threat, but much like clinch striking, every single fighter now feels the same in this aspect. On top of that, this is a step back in realism esp since I can still deny a takedown easier if I'm on one leg in mid kick than I can when someone is bullrushing and can see it coming a mile away. It just doesn't make sense.

In short, realistic td windows needing to be denied in real time should definitely not be replaced by undeniable td animations you have to counter by pre-denying them. Hopefully UFC 4 gets back to basics on this and doesn't continue to follow this "undeniable" trend.

I agree with this. The ankle pick was great, now it's almost like everyone knows how to defend them.

My issue with the ankle pick was prevalent in one of my last fights -GSP throws 1-2 and backs off. I attempt the ankle pick whilst he's doing ANOTHER 1-2 (missing obviously) and still gets the denial. If this is how it's to be, players will neglect any take-down that ISN'T against the cage... because why should I continue to lose stamina going for a take-down that, even when setup, are still easy to deny.

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[HereticFighter]

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The worst thing with the driving takedown is how glitchy it is. Guys will hit you with it and then it plays the "against the cage" animation, and you are like 3 feet away. Then it sloooowly slides you to the cage while you try to figure out the timing for the TD deny or Sub attempt. Guys also seem to be able to do the driving TD as they are stumbling back from a blocked body teep/side kick. The momentum change is instant and sometimes they slide very quickly to get in range when they weren't to begin with.

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i guess i need to practice but honestly being bum rushed halfway across the octagon is just sucking the fun out of the game

And pre-denying it should automatically defend it like any other takedown, period. instead you still get put against the cage making it essentially undeniable

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The worst thing with the driving takedown is how glitchy it is. Guys will hit you with it and then it plays the "against the cage" animation, and you are like 3 feet away. Then it sloooowly slides you to the cage while you try to figure out the timing for the TD deny or Sub attempt. Guys also seem to be able to do the driving TD as they are stumbling back from a blocked body teep/side kick. The momentum change is instant and sometimes they slide very quickly to get in range when they weren't to begin with.

this also. instead of rewarding me with a sprawl and huge stamina advantage off of a perfectly timed defense, my character simply gets sucked into the cage and it’s impossible to even tell when you can actually transition or go for the sub