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  • FarFromEer
    Rookie
    • May 2014
    • 213

    #1

    So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

    List of plays in game (offense only so far) with a tab of default playbook plays:



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    I didn't think I had seen that on here before, so I thought I'd try it to see what happened. To my suprise, it works! I let the editor create a base config and it has six tabs. I also opened the custom playbook file and created a base config with it as well. Now the bigger question is...what can we do with this?

    Here's what I know so far...

    CPBList File (only tab is PBLS)
    FFNA - File Name (only shows custom playbook file names)
    BGID - Playbook ID
    BORD - Order?
    BOFF - 0=Defense, 1=Offense
    PBGI -
    PBPI - (All values are zeros in my file)
    BNAM - Playbook Name (as displayed in game)
    POSN - Playbook type (offense only)
    PBPR - (same as PBGI except for custom books, which are the same number as the playbook the custom was based on to start)
    PBOS -
    PBPT -
    PBFV -

    Custom Playbook Files
    PGPL Tab - Playbook Plays
    BOKL - Playbook Number (all are set to custom playbook number on this tab)
    SETL - Formation?
    PLYL - Play Number
    PBST -
    PLYT -
    ord_ - Order in Playbook
    Flag -

    PGFM Tab - Playbook Formations
    BOKL - Playbook Number (all are set to custom playbook number on this tab)
    PBFM -
    SRFM -

    STID Tab
    BOKL - Playbook Number (all are set to custom playbook number on this tab)
    SETL -
    PBFM -
    PBST -

    STSP Tab
    BOKL - Playbook Number (all are either set to custom playbook number on this tab or zero)
    SETL -

    PBAU Tab
    BOKL - Playbook Number (all are set to custom playbook number on this tab)
    PBPL -
    FTYP -
    PBAU -
    Flag -

    PBAI Tab - Sim Plays?
    BOKL - Playbook Number
    PLYL - Play Number
    AIGR -
    prct - (wondering if this is the percent chance the AI will call the play)

    I haven't tried changing anything yet on this, but it looks like it could be used to possibly customize playbooks more than can be acheived in game. It could also be used to tweak playbooks for simming that actually come closer to our own play calling.
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    Last edited by FarFromEer; 04-12-2019, 01:59 PM. Reason: Added link for play data
  • return.specialist
    Pro
    • Jan 2012
    • 891

    #2
    Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

    When I looked into this, I arrived to about the juncture you are at and was unsure what to do.

    What I did try was creating a playbook with only 1 play, the Hail Mary but when I loaded that playbook in the Editor it appeared to contain the same about of data as regular custom playbook. I was somewhat disheartened by this outcome and never bothered to check if I had any missteps such as forgetting to save the 1-play PB, etc.

    I too suspected that the 'prct' field in the PBAI tab was related to the probability of a particular play being selected by the AI. I may be misremembering but I feel like I thought the AIGR was related to game-situations.

    I was trying to figure out if the Wildcat Formation plays were tied to some indicator variables (within the file) that prohibited users from calling an audible or resulted in the AI defense from engaging eight. Wildcat formations have a number of unbalanced OL sets and I wanted to interlace those into my offense with my QB taking the snap, with equal probability of run or pass, and without indicating to the AI to bring the house everytime.

    Let us know what you uncover. Maybe I could try that analysis again.
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    • FarFromEer
      Rookie
      • May 2014
      • 213

      #3
      Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

      I'm reviving this post in an effort to catalog all of the plays in the game and ultimately provide a listing of the exact plays in each team's playbook. Once I figure out what plays tie to what play ID in the editor, I plan on saving an unchanged playbook based on each team's playbooks to build a list of what's in each.

      As I'm cataloging the plays, I am capturing the formation, set, play type, personnel, and if it has pre-snap motion or not. Excluding play photos (unless someone wants to volunteer), what else would everyone want to see regarding each play?

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      • matt2053
        Rookie
        • Feb 2009
        • 310

        #4
        Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

        a listing of the exact plays in each team's playbook.

        IMO your efforts would be worth it just to have this in a convenient spreadsheet form.

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        • WoolyGuy
          Rookie
          • Sep 2018
          • 155

          #5
          Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

          Originally posted by mcfeenathan
          I'm reviving this post in an effort to catalog all of the plays in the game and ultimately provide a listing of the exact plays in each team's playbook. Once I figure out what plays tie to what play ID in the editor, I plan on saving an unchanged playbook based on each team's playbooks to build a list of what's in each.

          As I'm cataloging the plays, I am capturing the formation, set, play type, personnel, and if it has pre-snap motion or not. Excluding play photos (unless someone wants to volunteer), what else would everyone want to see regarding each play?

          I have almost all the plays captured in images, offense and defense. I think I just have one formation left to finish. Anyway, I am happy to share them with you, or anyone for that matter. Eventually I was planning on hosting them somewhere when I finished. The only thing is they are still grouped in "threes", meaning I cropped them in a row of three plays, like you see on the screen, and put into a folder for each formation. I never cut them individually. It's not hard, it just takes some added time. You can use the paint program, or even your sniping tool to cut and save each play.



          If a couple of people wanted to help, they could finish the whole project in a day or two.



          PM me and I will get it out to you.

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          • FarFromEer
            Rookie
            • May 2014
            • 213

            #6
            Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

            Originally posted by WoolyGuy
            I have almost all the plays captured in images, offense and defense. I think I just have one formation left to finish. Anyway, I am happy to share them with you, or anyone for that matter. Eventually I was planning on hosting them somewhere when I finished. The only thing is they are still grouped in "threes", meaning I cropped them in a row of three plays, like you see on the screen, and put into a folder for each formation. I never cut them individually. It's not hard, it just takes some added time. You can use the paint program, or even your sniping tool to cut and save each play.



            If a couple of people wanted to help, they could finish the whole project in a day or two.



            PM me and I will get it out to you.
            I hope to have the offensive plays available online this week in a spreadsheet. There are a total of 5,170 offensive plays visible in the game, so matching pictures and plays could take a bit of time.

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            • WoolyGuy
              Rookie
              • Sep 2018
              • 155

              #7
              Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

              Originally posted by mcfeenathan
              I hope to have the offensive plays available online this week in a spreadsheet. There are a total of 5,170 offensive plays visible in the game, so matching pictures and plays could take a bit of time.



              Yeah, that might take a while still. I just meant cutting the images to one play each, instead of three plays in an image.

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              • FarFromEer
                Rookie
                • May 2014
                • 213

                #8
                Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

                Updated OP with Drive link for play data, including plays by playbook for team playbooks.

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                • return.specialist
                  Pro
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 891

                  #9
                  Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

                  Impressive work. What can we do with all of this? It is an almost overwhelming amount of information.
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                  • FarFromEer
                    Rookie
                    • May 2014
                    • 213

                    #10
                    Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

                    Originally posted by return.specialist
                    Impressive work. What can we do with all of this? It is an almost overwhelming amount of information.
                    At this stage, it can be used to search for playbooks containing certain plays and to see how many plays are in each based on play types and personnel groupings. It looks as if could be possible to change how the CPU calls plays in different scenarios if someone wanted to explore it deeper.

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                    • Aeroscorp
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 72

                      #11
                      Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

                      I’m just wondering what all of the % Set options are all about. Is that how often the CPU calls the play, what the setup for that play is, or something totally different?

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                      • FarFromEer
                        Rookie
                        • May 2014
                        • 213

                        #12
                        Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

                        Originally posted by Aeroscorp
                        I’m just wondering what all of the % Set options are all about. Is that how often the CPU calls the play, what the setup for that play is, or something totally different?
                        The '% Option' column just shows how much of that formation is option plays. I was working on a custom playbook for myself and wanted to avoid option heavy formations.

                        On the TeamPBs tab, there a section to the right that I believe shows the likelihood of when the CPU will call a play in a given situation.

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                        • Aeroscorp
                          Rookie
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 72

                          #13
                          Re: So I Wondered If Anyone Tried Using The Editor on a Custom Playbook

                          Thanks for the reply! I was hoping you had cracked the code on setup plays, but looks like that’s never going to happen.

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