For the love of God, someone help/explain

[Dillow]

Hello all! So I need some help/advice.

Been playing this game since 989 days. Love it. Buy it every year and pretty decent at it. Usually just H2H matchups and usually in the top 200 every year (around 300 this year). Whatever whatever not really about that.

To give you idea, play HOF hitting and pitching. No guess pitches and no quick games. Usually use zone, but when slumping use directional.

So here is my beef. Especially in the last few years, hitting seems to be WAY too pre-determined than ever before. I will square up with someone like Mitch Haniger (Go M's) with good contact right in the middle of the plate...and fly out. I'll push the ball to right field on a fastball on the outside edge....and its a ground out. I've seen on these boards its always late is on time and good timing doesn't matter...but seriously this is crazy. Played a guy the other day (Reds V. Braves), dude struck out 19 times! A good 90% of my swings were good timing right smack dab on the ball and nothing! Went to the 12th and he sac'd in a run. I'm not asking for 9-8 ballgames every game, but come on! Good timing with a top 10 hitting team in the game against a 70 overall pitcher should get more than 4 hits. It makes the game seem already planned. The skill level doesnt seem to matter anymore it just depends on where the computer wants it.

I dont know man. For the love of God I'm going to throw my controller out the window! I cant be the only one dealing with this right? I know I'm not God's gift to this game either, but I'm not some scrub either. I just need someone to tell me I'm not crazy and help anyway possible.

[kinsmen7]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

Frig man, the same thing happened to me the other day.

I was playing as the Reds. I know they don't have the best lineup in baseball, but I've got Votto, Suarez, Winkler, Senzel, and Iglesias can line some singles out there for me sometimes too.

Anyway, there's a rain delay (Haven't seen a lot of these so far this season...c'mon SDS...), and out comes Mike Fiers to start for the A's.

MIKE FIERS.

Who knew that guy even really had a job this year.

Anyway, Fiers shows up and trots out like he's all that. Guys got a 6.81 ERA coming into the game, but of course, SDS has the predetermined at bats, and he just rolls through my lineup.

And the defense. C'mon!!!! I square up and line a sharp grounder, and the man of many errors, Jurickson Profar makes a spectacular play and I don't even get a single. And that's when I start to really KNOW something is up, and the game starts to feel really fishy for me. On the VERY NEXT PLAY I have Votto mash one. Squared up like nobodies business. Ball down the center of the plate, and I have perfect timing. What happens? Ramon Laureano makes some outrageous grab at the wall. Two outrageous plays in a row.

I end up getting a couple more chances, but Fiers and his 6.81 ERA hold me down, and I end up getting no hit.

Talk about pre determined outcomes, amirite?

This game is great, but that should never happen.

[countryboy]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

It wasn't a rain delay...the lights in left field didn't come on.


To the OP...I'm sorry I really don't know what to say to offer tips. If you're squaring up pitches and constantly getting outs, or being perfectly on the ball and good timing and missing, I don't know what advice I can offer to correct that.

The only thing I can suggest is that maybe its an online thing?

I play offline and while I have my share of squared up pitches being hit right at someone for outs (the CPU does as well), its not the norm. And I definitely don't have an issue with being right on a pitch with the PCI, have good timing or better, and simply miss the pitch.

Sorry man, wish I had something to offer, but I just don't.

[Caulfield]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

Hello all! So I need some help/advice.

Been playing this game since 989 days. Love it. Buy it every year and pretty decent at it. Usually just H2H matchups and usually in the top 200 every year (around 300 this year). Whatever whatever not really about that.


To give you idea, play HOF hitting and pitching. No guess pitches and no quick games. Usually use zone, but when slumping use directional.


So here is my beef. Especially in the last few years, hitting seems to be WAY too pre-determined than ever before. I will square up with someone like Mitch Haniger (Go M's) with good contact right in the middle of the plate...and fly out. I'll push the ball to right field on a fastball on the outside edge....and its a ground out. I've seen on these boards its always late is on time and good timing doesn't matter...but seriously this is crazy. Played a guy the other day (Reds V. Braves), dude struck out 19 times! A good 90% of my swings were good timing right smack dab on the ball and nothing! Went to the 12th and he sac'd in a run. I'm not asking for 9-8 ballgames every game, but come on! Good timing with a top 10 hitting team in the game against a 70 overall pitcher should get more than 4 hits. It makes the game seem already planned. The skill level doesnt seem to matter anymore it just depends on where the computer wants it.


I dont know man. For the love of God I'm going to throw my controller out the window! I cant be the only one dealing with this right? I know I'm not God's gift to this game either, but I'm not some scrub either. I just need someone to tell me I'm not crazy and help anyway possible.

drop down to all-star for a few games and you wont feel like hitting is predetermined

[Caulfield]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

Frig man, the same thing happened to me the other day.

I was playing as the Reds. I know they don't have the best lineup in baseball, but I've got Votto, Suarez, Winkler, Senzel, and Iglesias can line some singles out there for me sometimes too.


Anyway, there's a rain delay (Haven't seen a lot of these so far this season...c'mon SDS...), and out comes Mike Fiers to start for the A's.


MIKE FIERS.


Who knew that guy even really had a job this year.


Anyway, Fiers shows up and trots out like he's all that. Guys got a 6.81 ERA coming into the game, but of course, SDS has the predetermined at bats, and he just rolls through my lineup.


And the defense. C'mon!!!! I square up and line a sharp grounder, and the man of many errors, Jurickson Profar makes a spectacular play and I don't even get a single. And that's when I start to really KNOW something is up, and the game starts to feel really fishy for me. On the VERY NEXT PLAY I have Votto mash one. Squared up like nobodies business. Ball down the center of the plate, and I have perfect timing. What happens? Ramon Laureano makes some outrageous grab at the wall. Two outrageous plays in a row.


I end up getting a couple more chances, but Fiers and his 6.81 ERA hold me down, and I end up getting no hit.


Talk about pre determined outcomes, amirite?


This game is great, but that should never happen.

lol
I almost made this exact post in another thread a couple days ago. glad it finally got said :thumbsup:

[Noiziv]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

Frig man, the same thing happened to me the other day.



I was playing as the Reds. I know they don't have the best lineup in baseball, but I've got Votto, Suarez, Winkler, Senzel, and Iglesias can line some singles out there for me sometimes too.



Anyway, there's a rain delay (Haven't seen a lot of these so far this season...c'mon SDS...), and out comes Mike Fiers to start for the A's.



MIKE FIERS.



Who knew that guy even really had a job this year.



Anyway, Fiers shows up and trots out like he's all that. Guys got a 6.81 ERA coming into the game, but of course, SDS has the predetermined at bats, and he just rolls through my lineup.



And the defense. C'mon!!!! I square up and line a sharp grounder, and the man of many errors, Jurickson Profar makes a spectacular play and I don't even get a single. And that's when I start to really KNOW something is up, and the game starts to feel really fishy for me. On the VERY NEXT PLAY I have Votto mash one. Squared up like nobodies business. Ball down the center of the plate, and I have perfect timing. What happens? Ramon Laureano makes some outrageous grab at the wall. Two outrageous plays in a row.



I end up getting a couple more chances, but Fiers and his 6.81 ERA hold me down, and I end up getting no hit.



Talk about pre determined outcomes, amirite?



This game is great, but that should never happen.

This is golden. I skimmed through it at first and thought you were one of the “predetermined theorists,” then I realized what your post actually was about. I loved it [emoji23]

[kinsmen7]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

This is golden. I skimmed through it at first and thought you were one of the “predetermined theorists,” then I realized what your post actually was about. I loved it [emoji23]

Hahaha thanks. I wasn't going to do it, and sort of feel bad because it wasn't helpful at all, but as soon as I read "predetermined outcomes" it sets something off in me.

MIKE FRIGGIN' FIERS though, right? Baseball is weird.

[Funkycorm]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

Sometimes bad pitchers have good games. Sometimes good hitters have bad games. Sometimes players hit the ball hard.

One game I got only 3 hits and won 1-0. Next I won a game 10-1. Next I lost 7-6.

Predetermined outcomes don't exist. It's baseball. Just because I square up solid contact with a solid hitter it does not guarantee a homerun or even a hit. Well hit balls are hit right at people.

That's how baseball is.

[Caulfield]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

Sometimes bad pitchers have good games. Sometimes good hitters have bad games ... Sometimes players hit the ball hard.

That's how baseball is.

sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains.


That's how baseball is.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

Sometimes bad pitchers have good games. Sometimes good hitters have bad games. Sometimes players hit the ball hard.

One game I got only 3 hits and won 1-0. Next I won a game 10-1. Next I lost 7-6.

Predetermined outcomes don't exist. It's baseball. Just because I square up solid contact with a solid hitter it does not guarantee a homerun or even a hit. Well hit balls are hit right at people.

That's how baseball is.

My problem with this explanation is that hitters having bad games and pitchers having good games, usually relies on them missing the ball. Meaning the pitchers pitches are moving better, or faster, or for whatever reason are missing the barrel of the bat. There's not a pitcher in the league whos going to throw a complete game shutout on 27 hard hit balls off the center of the bat.

At this point, I have a higher confidence that I'll get better results the worse I hit the ball because timing the ball well and hitting it dead center will more than 50% of the time result in an out, even on a 105MPH line drive dead center in the gap. Hell, I think I have a higher chance of getting a hit off of late/weak or late/jammed timing than I do good/good because all the good/good trajectories are either right at somebody, or are that weird line drive dead center in the gap that still always gets caught. In over 50 games I don't think I have more than 10 balls reach the outfield wall, and only like 5 warning track shots.

It doesn't make sense when I can just throw fastballs down broadway and know the random number generator will have my back for six innings, which is what the current hitting system does. I'm not saying the game shouldn't have those games from time to time, but I also shouldn't have to pray to RNGesus to have a .250 or greater batting average on good/good contact over a 50AB span.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

My problem with this explanation is that hitters having bad games and pitchers having good games, usually relies on them missing the ball. Meaning the pitchers pitches are moving better, or faster, or for whatever reason are missing the barrel of the bat. There's not a pitcher in the league whos going to throw a complete game shutout on 27 hard hit balls off the center of the bat.

At this point, I have a higher confidence that I'll get better results the worse I hit the ball because timing the ball well and hitting it dead center will more than 50% of the time result in an out, even on a 105MPH line drive dead center in the gap. Hell, I think I have a higher chance of getting a hit off of late/weak or late/jammed timing than I do good/good because all the good/good trajectories are either right at somebody, or are that weird line drive dead center in the gap that still always gets caught. In over 50 games I don't think I have more than 10 balls reach the outfield wall, and only like 5 warning track shots.

It doesn't make sense when I can just throw fastballs down broadway and know the random number generator will have my back for six innings, which is what the current hitting system does. I'm not saying the game shouldn't have those games from time to time, but I also shouldn't have to pray to RNGesus to have a .250 or greater batting average on good/good contact over a 50AB span.

Then do we want a simulation or a video game? Which is it?

This game is clearly superior at replicating it’s sport than any of the other big 4 sports games out their (NBA, NHL, NFL, MLB). Why? Because of exactly what you are talking about.

And it is not automatic. Playing all 162 games I get an insane amount of variety and complete unpredictability.

If you want user control do be the main driver then it is a video game. If you want a deep simulation you need to have an algorithmic process that takes into account lots of variables.

That is how a game like Strato-Matic baseball is played. And I played Statis Pro and Strato-matic to death growing up in the 80’s dreaming of a baseball video game like this.

It does an amazing job of replicating those player cards and rolling those dice to get a baseball simulation.

And yes user control is very important using timed/directional hitting and classic pitching. You can’t just wing it on HOF or you will be crushed like a grape.

I disagree with the premise of the OP. Plain disagree. And I realize you have been playing this game as long as I have. But I will agree to disagree with this “pre-determined” mantra.

It is not. A set of dice get’s rolled based on players ratings, quirks, matchups, situation, and yes user input.

And they have done a brilliant job of making the game replicate the incredible unpredictable roller coaster called a Major League Baseball season.

Totally disagree on your thoughts on the hitting system.

Turn off the swing feedback.......you will enjoy the game immensely without all that noise on your screen. Paralysis by analysis causes so much uproar on the game.

I don’t need swing feedback to tell me I squared a ball up. I can feel and see that. But in baseball you can line out a **** ton some games. That is baseball.

You can hit a few bleeders, steal a base and come home on a routine single and the other team was hitting missiles all over the field all for outs.

That’s baseball.


I know it is not for everyone.....but playing with a totally clean screen is a massive game changer......it allows you to really “play” baseball and not get pre-concieved notions of good timing, bad timing, good release, bad release.

It lets the game breath and more importantly allows you to simply use your instincts, baseball savvy, user skill, and play the game and enjoy the journey of the season.

Try it out. Liberate yourself from visual crutches and aggravations and just play the game.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

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Then do we want a simulation or a video game? Which is it?

This game is clearly superior at replicating it’s sport than any of the other big 4 sports games out their (NBA, NHL, NFL, MLB). Why? Because of exactly what you are talking about.

And it is not automatic. Playing all 162 games I get an insane amount of variety and complete unpredictability.

If you want user control do be the main driver then it is a video game. If you want a deep simulation you need to have an algorithmic process that takes into account lots of variables.

That is how a game like Strato-Matic baseball is played. And I played Statis Pro and Strato-matic to death growing up in the 80’s dreaming of a baseball video game like this.

It does an amazing job of replicating those player cards and rolling those dice to get a baseball simulation.

And yes user control is very important using timed/directional hitting and classic pitching. You can’t just wing it on HOF or you will be crushed like a grape.

I disagree with the premise of the OP. Plain disagree. And I realize you have been playing this game as long as I have. But I will agree to disagree with this “pre-determined” mantra.

It is not. A set of dice get’s rolled based on players ratings, quirks, matchups, situation, and yes user input.

And they have done a brilliant job of making the game replicate the incredible unpredictable roller coaster called a Major League Baseball season.

Totally disagree on your thoughts on the hitting system.

Turn off the swing feedback.......you will enjoy the game immensely without all that noise on your screen. Paralysis by analysis causes so much uproar on the game.

I don’t need swing feedback to tell me I squared a ball up. I can feel and see that. But in baseball you can line out a **** ton some games. That is baseball.

You can hit a few bleeders, steal a base and come home on a routine single and the other team was hitting missiles all over the field all for outs.

That’s baseball.


I know it is not for everyone.....but playing with a totally clean screen is a massive game changer......it allows you to really “play” baseball and not get pre-concieved notions of good timing, bad timing, good release, bad release.

It lets the game breath and more importantly allows you to simply use your instincts, baseball savvy, user skill, and play the game and enjoy the journey of the season.

Try it out. Liberate yourself from visual crutches and aggravations and just play the game.

That's cool and all, but I'd actually like to see some variety in my hit trajectories. Ever trajectory being a line out right in an outfielder falling on the same 4 or 5 5x5 areas isn't fun. A ball reaching the outfield wall from time to time would be nice.

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[Caulfield]

Re: For the love of God, someone help/explain

That's cool and all, but I'd actually like to see some variety in my hit trajectories. Ever trajectory being a line out right in an outfielder falling on the same 4 or 5 5x5 areas isn't fun. A ball reaching the outfield wall from time to time would be nice.

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What level hitting are you using. Default sliders?

[KnightTemplar]

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I know it is not for everyone.....but playing with a totally clean screen is a massive game changer......it allows you to really “play” baseball and not get pre-concieved notions of good timing, bad timing, good release, bad release.

It lets the game breath and more importantly allows you to simply use your instincts, baseball savvy, user skill, and play the game and enjoy the journey of the season.

Try it out. Liberate yourself from visual crutches and aggravations and just play the game.

Love what you have said....clean screen. I don't even have the hot/cold zones on, nothing. I don't even have the pitch selection. I look at what my pitcher throws and I can "feel" when he loses a certain pitch. If I start analyzing every pitch, every hit, come up with theories of this and that, etc., I'd go nuts and never enjoy this game.

The variety is there. I try to manage by my instincts, even though it's a video game as the game does take into account a TON of attributes, etc.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

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What level hitting are you using. Default sliders?

HOF default.

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