Do PS4 PRO Users Have An Advantage?

[bogeyj]

I just got a pro and the difference is crazy. it runs at a silky smooth 60fps on the pro whereas on the standard ps4 it's 30fps. I imagine this makes a world of difference in the grappling department, but does the bump in framerate ps4 pro users get also effect the striking? do ps4 pro users just straight up have an advantage over base ps4 players?

[Boiler569]

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From everything I've read here and on Discord/etc. --- PS Pro does help. Add-in a gaming monitor with 1ms lag or whatever, and you're really going to have an advantage I'd imagine, specifically with grappling (but I'm sure your overall reaction time and 'feeling' will be better no matter where the fight is taking place).

I've only used a regular PS4 and 1080p TV (I did adjust the settings to minimize lag) so I'm not sure how big a difference it makes--- but for UFC 4 I'm tempted to make the upgrade. I really don't WANT to........but probably will....

Pretty much everyone who has gone to PS Pro has stated they'll never go back to UFC using regular PS4 so I suppose the difference is pretty major haha

[tomitomitomi]

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It helps but it doesn't turn someone from from Div 3 player to Top 100.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

Do PS4 PRO Users Have An Advantage?

Once I started seeing YouTube videos of people obviously playing on a PS4 Pro, it all made sense. I’m sure even the the striking with this combo system makes it better. Was PS4 Pro out when this game released? Maybe that’s why the devs swore up and down there was no input lag.


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[fballturkey]

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Maybe a bit, but a monitor with a low latency is going to make a much, much larger difference.

[burningxspirit]

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Its more of a visual thing, but it overall feels a lot smoother with 60fps. so that does help a bit

[RematchKing]

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Without a doubt. I can tell when someone is using one because they seem to move way faster than me and their reaction times are better than the AI on legendary. I don't see why this game isn't locked at 30fps like I just don't. It's completely unfair to me. The button lag disappears and the response time is super fast. What can people that don't have a PS4 Pro do to negate that? Nothing. It's literally like using a PC in console lobbies with a massive frame advantage.



I also don't get why you can get a more powerful system and the game runs better, but it's not on PC. Using a PS4 Pro in this game gives you the same advantage that using a PC would. So you're okay with allowing people to have an advantage like this, but you're not okay with it being on PC? That's complete BS. I quit out of any match where I can tell someone is using a Pro because it's not fair.

[AeroZeppelin27]

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GPD has said the Background simulation is still rendered at 30FPS on Pro. It's only the visual output that increases to 60FPS.

This means you can visually identify strikes and transitions sooner, but the timing windows are the same as the regular PS4.

From personal experience, it definitely helps identify strikes but contrary to the above comment, it most definitely does not make your reactions better than the legendary AI, not even close.

Personally I find it makes more of a difference in the striking department and minimal difference on grappling, it doesn't affect denial windows. I can jump on my regular PS4 at 30FPS and grapple just the same as I do on Pro. Takes a few minutes to adjust on the feet, but because all the timing windows are the same it's markedly easier than a traditional FPS boost.

Main thing to know though is the BGS is NOT running at 60FPS on Pro, it's solely visual. If anyone can be bothered finding the old PS4 Pro thread you'll find an explanation from GPD on this that explains it better.

[AeroZeppelin27]

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Without a doubt. I can tell when someone is using one because they seem to move way faster than me and their reaction times are better than the AI on legendary. I don't see why this game isn't locked at 30fps like I just don't. It's completely unfair to me. The button lag disappears and the response time is super fast.

It just straight up doesn't work like that.

First off, they wouldn't appear to move faster on your end because you're still seeing it all in 30FPS, including the pro player. There is no way you can actually tell if your playing an opponent on regular or Pro.

Secondly, they don't move faster anyway due to the BGS still being 30fps on Pro.

Input lag is still an issue on Pro.

And your reaction most definitely do not become that of the Legenary AI just because you're on Pro, you can visually identify strikes a bit quicker but inputs are still run through the BGS at 30FPS.

[RomeroXVII]

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Once I started seeing YouTube videos of people obviously playing on a PS4 Pro, it all made sense. I’m sure even the the striking with this combo system makes it better. Was PS4 Pro out when this game released? Maybe that’s why the devs swore up and down there was no input lag.


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The game was made on a Pro so that's why it works better on the Pro.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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The game was made on a Pro so that's why it works better on the Pro.

Makes perfect sense. They swore up and down there was no input lag and I didn’t think the devs would just blatantly bs us like that so there had to be a reason they couldn’t see it.

[micmuted]

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yea as someone playing on a regular ps4 you can tell right away when someone is on a pro. really sucks the fun out the game knowing you’re at a constant disadvantage cus of hardware

[RematchKing]

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GPD has said the Background simulation is still rendered at 30FPS on Pro. It's only the visual output that increases to 60FPS.

This means you can visually identify strikes and transitions sooner, but the timing windows are the same as the regular PS4.

From personal experience, it definitely helps identify strikes but contrary to the above comment, it most definitely does not make your reactions better than the legendary AI, not even close.

Personally I find it makes more of a difference in the striking department and minimal difference on grappling, it doesn't affect denial windows. I can jump on my regular PS4 at 30FPS and grapple just the same as I do on Pro. Takes a few minutes to adjust on the feet, but because all the timing windows are the same it's markedly easier than a traditional FPS boost.

Main thing to know though is the BGS is NOT running at 60FPS on Pro, it's solely visual. If anyone can be bothered finding the old PS4 Pro thread you'll find an explanation from GPD on this that explains it better.

Oh, is that so? Well tell me Mr. Smart Guy, is having the ability to SEE something coming FASTER than your opponent not an advantage? Please explain to me how it isn’t. That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard. You’re actually sitting here trying to say that the ability to see something coming with double the frames your opponent has, doesn’t grant an advantage. You don’t know wtf you’re talking about and I get the feeling a lot of you guys don’t because many of you only play on consoles so you have no grasp of the type of advantage that a higher frame rate gives you. It’s not some tiny difference. Go play on a pc with a frame rate that’s 60 plus vs 30 and I bet my life on it that you’ll notice the difference IMMEDIATELY. Anybody that had used or owned a PC knows this.

This whole circle jerk with you dudes is why this game can’t advance because everyone just piggybacks off of bad ideas that they think are right because a particular person said it. Each and every one of you can be wrong. None of you are immune to making mistakes and being incorrect. Show me an example of a 30 FPS game not being better at 60 FPS. If frames didn’t matter, we wouldn’t be trying to up the console power etc. It DOES matter and if you can’t tell the difference, then you don’t need to be speaking on the subject because you’re uneducated.

[Tyeanisbae]

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When I moved from the PS4 to the PS4 pro it made a huge difference and so does having a TV with a game mode or gaming monitor.

I had a gaming TV at one point and could easily deny clinches and cage takedowns and now I have an old TV I can’t deny anything lol. Unless I aged 50 years in under year I’d say it’s the TV.


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[TheUFCVeteran]

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Oh, is that so? Well tell me Mr. Smart Guy, is having the ability to SEE something coming FASTER than your opponent not an advantage? Please explain to me how it isn’t. That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard. You’re actually sitting here trying to say that the ability to see something coming with double the frames your opponent has, doesn’t grant an advantage. You don’t know wtf you’re talking about and I get the feeling a lot of you guys don’t because many of you only play on consoles so you have no grasp of the type of advantage that a higher frame rate gives you. It’s not some tiny difference. Go play on a pc with a frame rate that’s 60 plus vs 30 and I bet my life on it that you’ll notice the difference IMMEDIATELY. Anybody that had used or owned a PC knows this.
This whole circle jerk with you dudes is why this game can’t advance because everyone just piggybacks off of bad ideas that they think are right because a particular person said it. Each and every one of you can be wrong. None of you are immune to making mistakes and being incorrect. Show me an example of a 30 FPS game not being better at 60 FPS. If frames didn’t matter, we wouldn’t be trying to up the console power etc. It DOES matter and if you can’t tell the difference, then you don’t need to be speaking on the subject because you’re uneducated.

Here’s the difference between 30 and 60fps on PC - on PC, you get the response time of a true 60fps; 16.6ms. In UFC 3, not so much. It’s the same 33.3ms response time on the base consoles or Pro, because remember, the game is only visually rendering at 60fps, all the inputs and what not use the same timing as the base consoles.

So yes, while you may be able to see things a little easier, the game will accept your input just as fast as the base consoles. There is no mechanical advantage whatsoever. You’ll still find yourself missing sways or inputs dropping (grr) on Pro, the former especially still because it has the same 30hz BGS, thus you try to flick the stick just before the strike hits you, but you were a tad too late.