Dev Video: L Stick Dribbling And Dribble Styles

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Scott O'Gallagher did this long stream and it is packed full of tidbits, particularly the use of the L stick for dribbling. A few general pointers.

1. Pay attention to player stops. Some can be branched into other moves or shots. The big guys often need to take a big step or chop steps to stop, and they're more difficult to manoever as they should be.

2. Quick flicks of the L stick with a live dribble get your ball handler to fake one way, and can be chained or create separation.

3. The L stick can be used for dribble moves. From about 1 hour and 25 minutes into that video, he shows us how Kemba can be used. As general principles, lay off turbo, and experiment with flicking the stick in different directions to create different moves based on players dribble styles.

4. These dribble styles are huge. They control how players stop, moves open to them, and speed at which they perform them.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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This quick video about dribbling styles shows off a bit of the system.

The first clip is Kyrie going full sauce mode. Combinations of the L and R stick with vicious crossovers.

The 2nd shows the speed boost Westbrook gets in transition (I think Giannis does also).

The 3rd is the rapid fire crossovers Harden gets and the lightning quick stepback animation.

The 4th shows Westbrook's L stick cross that isn't sweeping or saucy, but is a subtle change of a direction for a steam train.

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There's 27 styles.

Maybe we can share what we see?

[LeBronistheKing]

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Does LeBron get a speed boost in transition?

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Does LeBron get a speed boost in transition?

I just spent 10 minutes with Lebron. He is lightning in the open floor, but you can feel his weight as he tries to change direction. It feels really good.

[goma76]

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How is Giannis in open court, the difference of lope is well represented?
We known he uses few steps then other to running down the floor.

[RunRickyRun24]

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Where’s the video fellas


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[ChaseB]

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To add onto this, R trigger placement is still necessary for some elements coming off these dribble styles.

For example, to initiate the Harden "double" stepback, the easiest path to doing it is keeping the ball in the right hand and then you have to hold turbo and then hold away from the hoop on the right stick. If the ball is in his left hand when this is initiated it will do his standard stepback.

My basic feeling so far is that:

1. At the start of possession (triple threat or standing in place) then right stick is the thing to do with the left stick more or less zeroed out.

2. Then from there you might want to incorporate a tapping of the turbo at points to explode out.

3. And then once you're into the pick and roll etc. really focus on just left stick movements to split the defense, hesi, drag a defender, or head to the hoop.

4. In tight spaces, that's when the right stick can come back out a bit once a play stalls out, but again, without using turbo.

[ChaseB]

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I'm just going to be posting short videos of basic movements, this one is an example of what you might do in a pick and roll with Kyrie Irving:

1. First, I do a hard crossover with the left stick just to pull things back from the middle. I play on camera-relative broadcast view, so for me it's hard to explain movements each play, but this is a hard horizontal movement on the stick generally speaking.

2. However, the second clip you see me zero out the left stick then move it more angled towards the hoop, and you get a more aggressive dribble move to the hoop to perhaps split a defense and get that easy layup.

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[ChaseB]

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Here's the two Harden stepbacks just to show it off real quick.

1. Again this is all left stick until I want to do the stepback. With the ball in my right hand at the end, I press turbo and then away from the hoop on the right stick.

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2. The second clip is a standard jab step with the right stick, then just hold turbo with ball in the left hand and press away from hoop on right stick to get the more common stepback.

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[ChaseB]

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SmirkinDirk (or any Doncic stan):

do you have video of the fake Luka stepback from NBA? I feel like I know Luka pretty well, but my thing with him was more the distance he covers on his stepback jumpers, I'm not sure of the fake stepback jumper highlight, or maybe I just know it by another name?

[Smirkin Dirk]

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SmirkinDirk (or any Doncic stan):

do you have video of the fake Luka stepback from NBA? I feel like I know Luka pretty well, but my thing with him was more the distance he covers on his stepback jumpers, I'm not sure of the fake stepback jumper highlight, or maybe I just know it by another name?

Nice videos Chase.

I've been wondering about this fake Luka stepback aswell. I watched every minute of him play last year and don't remember any such move. Like you, I remember his move as the quickness and distance covered by his stepback chained into a 3 pt attempt. I don't think any of the stepback animations capture this, only the Harden dribble style does.

And if I give him that, he turns into a first step god, which he is not.

[ChaseB]

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So how does turbo help with the left stick?

In short, it does open up another whole bushel of moves. Here are a couple basic ones just to understand that you still don't need to "hold" turbo down, but instead just tap it and initiate another portion of creation.

Here's Kemba doing:

-Size-up extended hesitation (hold RT, flick right stick ball side with left stick neutral.)
-Then I release the right stick, and I just use the left stick (while still holding turbo)
-And I move the left stick up and right ball side to do a quick snap dribble
-Or I move the left stick to the other side of my body -- away from the ball -- and up and pull off a Shammgod.

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(To be clear, this is specific to the Kemba package. You will not get the Shammgods and these quick snaps with someone even like Fox. You'll get different moves here. For example, Fox will get a hard crossover instead of a Shammgod from this same movement.)

This funnels into something else where, again, you can set them up with:

-A right stick extended hesitation to one side while holding turbo (same as the first video)
-Then release the right stick and turbo, and you can just use the left stick and push it towards the rim to explode with a little through the legs move.
-I never press turbo again after the initial hesitation, but after the through the legs, you could tap turbo again if you want for a little more oomph.

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Timing is imperative here though even if just using the left stick. You need to let that dribble hang an extra second or you won't get something like that through the legs move, instead you just get a more stall dribble into drive, like so:

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Now, let's say you do any of those and you attack and get to the FT line, again, just letting go of the left stick will put you some of the time into a stutter step animation with a guy like Kemba. From here, you can do any number of things, I just choose to chain a quick 1-2 right stick combo in and shoot.

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[ChaseB]

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Nice videos Chase.

I've been wondering about this fake Luka stepback aswell. I watched every minute of him play last year and don't remember any such move. Like you, I remember his move as the quickness and distance covered by his stepback chained into a 3 pt attempt. I don't think any of the stepback animations capture this, only the Harden dribble style does.

And if I give him that, he turns into a first step god, which he is not.

Yeah I mean Luka doesn't need the Harden stepback, he needs his own because he gets way deeper on the initial stepback as he goes almost full squat, and then uses that to get that extra little more depth on the stepback.

I was thinking the "fake" stepback could be how he sometimes does the stepback then explodes back out of it, and while I can do that, I didn't notice a specific animation that looked like his while labbing so far. Someone needs to tweet at Mike Wang methinks to get the visual he's talking about since I assume it was something lost in translation.

[ChaseB]

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How is Giannis in open court, the difference of lope is well represented?
We known he uses few steps then other to running down the floor.

He's really fast, but in just quickly labbing it, I would say he's not one-to-one unique. He's in the same mold of Simmons and Russ and LeBron. So, like, he's awesome but he doesn't do like the infamous one dribble from halfcourt to dunk like here:

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Which makes sense because balance-wise that would probably be a mess to deal with if he did that often. But he does use fewer dribbles going coast to coast than say someone like Steph in this game.

[JoFri]

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Where’s the video fellas


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This is the first video by OG

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This is by Smirkin

https://youtu.be/cE1894BCugI

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