California votes for student athletes to be paid for their likeness

[Lowebo]

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/11/california-passes-bill-allowing-athletes-be-paid-name-image-and-likeness

Huge.

[cowboy_kmoney]

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https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...e-and-likeness

Huge.

It's on its way back..🤯

[Lowebo]

Re: California votes for student athletes to be paid for their likeness

It's on its way back..��

I genuinely believe NCAA '22 will happen.

[illwill10]

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I don't think that this guarentees something in the immediate future. We are still waiting for the Working Group's findings next month. That is most likely just a suggestion. Then NCAA has to accept what the working group has suggested then make it into a rule. Those things take time. Who knows what obstacles may come up. Unless the rule immediately comes into affect by next season, I don't think EA can do anything. NCAA won't likely put it in place for a season or two. I think EA would have to reaquire the NCAA license(and Im sure NCAA would want a lot more input this time around) then have to wait until the rule goes in affect before they can start developing.
No way will we see a NCAA 21, it would pretty much already have to be in development. I think the earliest would be NCAA 22 and thats only if rule goes in effect next season. I do believe EA wants to make NCAA games again, but has to wait on NCAA

[mpklub]

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They were talking about this bill on the radio here locally this week. As of right now the bill is slated to go into effect in 2023 if the governor of California signs off on it, which most expect him too. Some legislators in California have stated that they want to position this bill/law as a potential recruiting advantage for student athletes - meaning if you go to a CA school you can get endorsement deals (more or less). They were also talking how other states are already talking about putting together similar legislation. Being from Ohio, I am quite sure there would be ample political pressure to do something similar if Ohio State thought it would lose out on a substantial recruiting advantage to teams in California. Schools like Texas, Florida, Clemson, Alabama, etc. I am sure would feel similar and begin lobbying state legislators in their respective states.

The NCAA can dig their heels in all they want, but I think this is starting to gain the steam that it needs and we are close to the point of no turning back.

The NCAA has talked tough by saying that any CA school that were to allow players to market their likeness would be banned from post season play. But I think we all know if USC were to be undefeated and on pace to play in the college football playoff, or if UCLA were to be ready to make a deep run in the NCAA tournament, there is no way the NCAA would back up their tough talk. And if they did, they'd be writing their own death warrant as I think that would be the catalyst to convince all of these schools in power 5 conferences to breakaway from the NCAA and do their own thing.

I'd be shocked if we have a new NCAA football game next year, but I wouldn't be shocked if we have one in the next five years.

[illwill10]

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I'd be shocked if we have a new NCAA football game next year, but I wouldn't be shocked if we have one in the next five years.

Even 2 years seems like a stretch. But in 3-5 years, I could see a new game. It is all about delay for NCAA. I don't development needs more than a standard year of development. They can use work off of Madden engines and what they had in NCAA 14. They just need to recreate college specific schemes and expand on game modes. I would expect developers like Haumiller to go back to NCAA.

[ndfan1993]

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This is a terrible idea and lawyers will be all over this. I don't think either side (players/schools vs. NCAA) want to deal with the mess that this will create.

Think about this for a second: You will literally have fans crowd funding 16 year olds.

[mpklub]

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This is a terrible idea and lawyers will be all over this. I don't think either side (players/schools vs. NCAA) want to deal with the mess that this will create.

Think about this for a second: You will literally have fans crowd funding 16 year olds.

I think this is the extreme viewpoint. If the NCAA were smart they would position themselves to be a governing body of sorts to make sure that endorsement deals being offered to student athletes were legit. People/organizations that wanted to offer endorsements would have to go through some type of vetting process to make sure they were legit businesses and not just some shadow shell organization that would be the equivalent to a booster handing someone a dufflebag of cash today (which we all know does happen in some cases).

I also don't think it is the intention of the CA state legislature to create a system where anyone can create a gofundme to allow boosters to pay for the best recruits. I think most people believe this would have to have checks and balances around who could offer endorsements and how they would be "approved" to ensure they are legit businesses. Simply put - the state governments (and the US Federal government) won't create a system that just allows what is going on in college basketball right now with the fraud cases. There will be checks and balances.

That doesn't mean that every corrupt company/booster will be vetted out, but that doesn't even happen today.

[Locke888]

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If I was a dictator I would set the total compensation limit per year to $50,000. If you are found to have received more than that then you are banned for the next 4 years. This has the potential to get way out of hand. We want them to earn their money not be bought to go to a certain school.

[mate04]

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The NCAA will have to crack at some point. If they follow with the Cali bowl ban then that means less fans watching and less fans going to games in December which means less $$$ the one thing the NCAA can’t handle to lose.


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[mpklub]

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They were talking here locally how North Carolina state legislature is looking at doing something similar if/when this passes in CA. So, CA is probably just the start. This could quickly turn into a scenario where the NCAA has to ban multiple states from post season play.

The NCAA has no real jurisdiction here legally.

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[RollTideRoll0929]

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I think most of you are right, it'll be 3 or 4 years down the road before the possibility of a new NCAA Football game and they will have to re acquire certain licenses. Another issue we may have is that I'm pretty certain that the dev team behind the NCAA games disbanded years ago so theres uncertainty in that aspect who would develop any NCAA games going forward. I mean, would you guys REALLY be hyped about any new NCAA games if the team behind the Madden games is in charge of developing it?? I'll tell you what I'm most excited about if this act goes in to motion, for the near future anyways, is that MAYBE, just maybe, they will make NCAA 14 backwards compatible on the Xbox 1. If that happens they can take their sweet time making any new NCAA games, I'll be just fine being able to play NCAA 14 on my 70 inch Samsung instead of having to play it on my tiny 37 inch in the bedroom

[ndfan1993]

Re: California votes for student athletes to be paid for their likeness

I think this is the extreme viewpoint. If the NCAA were smart they would position themselves to be a governing body of sorts to make sure that endorsement deals being offered to student athletes were legit. People/organizations that wanted to offer endorsements would have to go through some type of vetting process to make sure they were legit businesses and not just some shadow shell organization that would be the equivalent to a booster handing someone a dufflebag of cash today (which we all know does happen in some cases).

I also don't think it is the intention of the CA state legislature to create a system where anyone can create a gofundme to allow boosters to pay for the best recruits. I think most people believe this would have to have checks and balances around who could offer endorsements and how they would be "approved" to ensure they are legit businesses. Simply put - the state governments (and the US Federal government) won't create a system that just allows what is going on in college basketball right now with the fraud cases. There will be checks and balances.

That doesn't mean that every corrupt company/booster will be vetted out, but that doesn't even happen today.

So you are saying it is extreme but then turning around saying it will happen.

This opens up a can of worms that no one wants - the people with the power will make sure they take care of themselves...nothing more.

[mpklub]

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So you are saying it is extreme but then turning around saying it will happen.

This opens up a can of worms that no one wants - the people with the power will make sure they take care of themselves...nothing more.

No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that what you are describing is the extreme scenario where legislation like this gets approved and then we have a giant free for all with collegiate athletes. I would agree without any type of guard rails or oversight what you describe could happen. I just think that is so unlikely it is the extreme case.

I find it hard to believe that state legislatures are going to create laws like this with the intention of having rogue boosters and shady companies funnel money to top recruits. That basically assumes that laws like this are being proposed with the intention of allowing boosters to create fake companies/businesses for the sole purpose of paying players. I just don't see a scenario where that happens. It is more likely that guardrails and systems develop to oversee legit methods for athletes to receive endorsements through companies that have been vetted and approved by an organization like the NCAA. This type of governance would prevent things like GoFundMe's being legit ways to pay recruits.

There will always be shady business in recruiting. In many ways making this "legal" in the eyes of the NCAA may actually help reduce some of it. Instead of handing a guy a duffle bag of cash, maybe a booster could offer a recruit an opportunity to earn some money by endorsing a product his local business sells. There is always the potential for this type of thing to go bad. But I really don't believe it is terribly likely when this inevitably happens.*

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[ndfan1993]

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No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that what you are describing is the extreme scenario where legislation like this gets approved and then we have a giant free for all with collegiate athletes. I would agree without any type of guard rails or oversight what you describe could happen. I just think that is so unlikely it is the extreme case.

I find it hard to believe that state legislatures are going to create laws like this with the intention of having rogue boosters and shady companies funnel money to top recruits. That basically assumes that laws like this are being proposed with the intention of allowing boosters to create fake companies/businesses for the sole purpose of paying players. I just don't see a scenario where that happens. It is more likely that guardrails and systems develop to oversee legit methods for athletes to receive endorsements through companies that have been vetted and approved by an organization like the NCAA. This type of governance would prevent things like GoFundMe's being legit ways to pay recruits.

There will always be shady business in recruiting. In many ways making this "legal" in the eyes of the NCAA may actually help reduce some of it. Instead of handing a guy a duffle bag of cash, maybe a booster could offer a recruit an opportunity to earn some money by endorsing a product his local business sells. There is always the potential for this type of thing to go bad. But I really don't believe it is terribly likely when this inevitably happens.*

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I feel like you are saying a governing body could police this...you mean like how the NCAA currently polices this sort of thing?

This will be a disaster and if it plays out will spell the end to college big time sports.