Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

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Previously known as On-Ball Defense rating, this rating affects how good a player is at Isolation (faceup) defense.

Position Averages
PG: 77
SG: 74
SF: 77
PF: 67
C: 51

An average PG/SG/SF starter has roughly a 75 rating. Assuming starters are quality players (i.e. above average), this means the average PG is roughly a 70 rating.

85 NBA Point Guards (2K default ratings) - What players stand out as over/underrated?

(Positions were edited; the biggest change is that I classify LeBron/Oladipo here based on current information)

95-99 TIER (0)

90-94 TIER (4) - 95th Percentile
93 Eric Bledsoe
92 Patrick Beverley
91 Victor Oladipo, Chris Paul

85-89 TIER (6) - 88th Percentile
89 DeJounte Murray
87 LeBron James
86 Kyle Lowry
85 Mike Conley, Derrick White, John Wall

80-84 TIER (10) - 76th Percentile
84 Ben Simmons, Lonzo Ball
83 Fred VanVleet, Russell Westbrook
82 Matthew Dellavedova, Frank Ntilikina, Austin Rivers
80 Cory Joseph, Elfrid Payton, Rajon Rondo

75-79 TIER (16) - 57th Percentile
79 Kris Dunn, Dante Exum, De'Aaron Fox, Jevon Carter
78 Justise Winslow, Kadeem Allen, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague
76 Raul Neto, De'Anthony Melton
75 George Hill, Kemba Walker, Terry Rozier, Michael Carter-Williams, Delon Wright, Stephen Curry

70-74 TIER (15) - 40th Percentile
74 Evan Turner, Spencer Dinwiddie, T.J. McConnell, Reggie Jackson, Aaron Harrison, Ish Smith
73 Ja Morant, Goran Dragic, Kyrie Irving, Dennis Schroder, Jacob Evans
71 Tomas Satoransky, Nigel Williams-Goss
70 Jamal Murray, Naz Mitrou-Long

65-69 TIER (18) - 19th Percentile
69 Tim Frazier, Elie Okobo, Damian Lillard
68 Aaron Holiday
67 Darius Garland, Brandon Goodwin, Devonte Graham, Alex Caruso, Markelle Fultz, Derrick Rose
66 Dennis Smith, Ty Jerome
65 Ryan Arcidiacono, Lou Williams, Quinn Cook, Jalen Brunson, Patty Mills, Shabazz Napier

60-64 TIER (10) - 7th Percentile
64 Yogi Ferrell, J.J. Barea
63 Trey Burke, Collin Sexton
62 Kendrick Nunn, Monte Morris, Frank Jackson
60 Frank Mason, D.J. Augustin, Cameron Payne

55-59 TIER (5) - 1st Percentile
59 Carsen Edwards Anfernee Simons
57 Brad Wanamaker, Tyus Jones
55 Trae Young

50-54 TIER (0)

45-49 TIER (1) - 0th Percentile
47 Isaiah Thomas

MISSING TIER (10) - 10.5% of active PGs
Tremont Waters, Jordan Bone, Ky Bowman, Jordan McLaughlin, Josh Gray, Josh Maggette, Jared Harper, Kyle Guy, Julian Foreman-Wright, Justin Robinson

All but Robinson are on Two-Way Contracts.
I expect most to be rated 55-64 once added and flesh out the lower tiers.

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Notable Historic PGs
98 Magic Johnson (1987 Lakers), Gary Payton (1996 Sonics)
96 Walt Frazier (1972 Knicks), Dennis Johnson (1986 Celtics)
95 Oscar Robertson (1971 Bucks), Jerry West (1971 Lakers)
94 Jerry West (1965 Lakers), John Stockton (1998 Jazz), Jason Kidd (2002 Nets), Chauncey Billups (2004 Pistons)
93 Chris Paul (2014 Clippers)
92 Rajon Rondo (2008 Celtics)
90 K.C. Jones (1965 Celtics), Magic Johnson (1991 Lakers)
88 Ron Harper (1998 Bulls)
87 Ron Harper (1996 Bulls), Mike Conley (2013 Grizzlies)
85 Gary Payton (2004 Lakers), Gary Payton (2006 Heat), Baron Davis (2007 Warriors)
84 Tim Hardaway (1991 Warriors), Tim Hardaway (1997 Heat), Steve Nash (2005 Suns)
82 Avery Johnson (1998 Spurs), Ron Harper (2001 Lakers), Jason Kidd (2011 Mavs), Stephen Curry (2016 Warriors
81 Isiah Thomas (1989 Pistons), Eric Snow (2001 Sixers), Andre Miller (2010 Blazers)
80 Tony Parker (2005 Spurs)
79 Gilbert Arenas (2007 Wizards)
78 Doc Rivers (1986 Hawks), Penny Hardaway (1995 Magic)
77 Derek Fisher (2001 Lakers), Russell Westbrook (2012 Thunder)
76 Stephon Marbury (2003 Suns)
75 Derek Harper (1995 Knicks)
74 Derrick Rose (2011 Bulls)
71 Mike Bibby (2002 Kings)
70 Mark Price (1990 Cavs), Kenny Smith (1994 Rockets), Sam Cassell (2004 Wolves)
68 Derek Fisher (1998 Lakers), Derek Fisher (2004 Lakers)
66 Muggsy Bogues (1993 Hornets)
65 Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (1994 Nuggets), Steve Nash (2003 Mavs)
62 Kyrie Irving (2016 Cavs)
59 Lindsey Hunter (2004 Pistons)
58 Damon Stoudamire (2000 Blazers)

[mb625]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

Muggsy feels a little under-rated for me. He's noted more for his hustle and quick hands, but he wasn't a horrible defender on the perimeter. He may have been small, but he was tough to get by.

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As for current players, I can't help but feel Lebron and Curry to be a little overrated, Fox to be a little underrated. Not much on any of those, mind you, but I think of each of them as the next tier or so down or up, depending.

[TheDominator273]

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Most underrated: Tyus Jones
Most overrated: Eric Bledsoe

[BQ32]

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OMG, I loved Magic growing up and wore 32 because of him but him having a 98 on ball defensive rating is ludicrous and one of the biggest eyesores in the game.

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

One thing I can add is shot contest strength on jumpers is also tied to the Perimeter D rating.

[JoFri]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

One thing I can add is shot contest strength on jumpers is also tied to the Perimeter D rating.

Thats interesting. Bledsoe is rated as 93 by Rashidi. When Bledsoe contest Kemba and Durant's jumper, will there be a difference?



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Thats interesting. Bledsoe is rated as 93 by Rashidi. When Bledsoe contest Kemba and Durant's jumper, will there be a difference?

For the record, posted ratings are the 2K defaults.

Using this as an exercise to see if my personal scale needs adjusting.

Currently recording all the Isolation Synergy data from the last four years. Samples are getting lower every year. PGs for example don't really Isolate, its mostly PNR.

Bledsoe's 4-year score is 0.77 PPP if I remember correctly. I think he was around 0.92 last year, but in only 36 possessions (0.63 the prior season is more reflective of his ability).

50th Percentile last season I think was 0.88 PPP.
0.77 PPP in a large sample would certainly merit 90ish rating

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PG ISOLATION DEFENSE (2016-2019)
100+ Possessions (Bold = 200+ Possessions)
0.73 Derrick Rose
0.77 Eric Bledsoe
0.78 Dennis Schroder
0.79 John Wall
0.79 Kemba Walker
0.79 Elfrid Payton
0.79 Isaiah Thomas (Primarily from Celtics seasons)
0.80 LeBron James - SF for four seasons (316 poss)
0.80 Mike Conley
0.81 Evan Turner - SF for three seasons
0.81 Patty Mills
0.82 Stephen Curry (333 poss)
0.82 Chris Paul
0.83 Kyle Lowry
0.85 Russell Westbrook
0.85 Ben Simmons
0.85 Lonzo Ball
0.85 Goran Dragic
0.85 J.J. Barea
0.85 Ish Smith
0.86 Victor Oladipo - SG for four seasons
0.86 Matthew Dellavedova
0.87 Damian Lillard
0.87 Reggie Jackson
0.87 George Hill
0.88 Ricky Rubio (287 poss)
0.88 Austin Rivers - spent lots of time at SG
0.89 Kris Dunn
0.90 Lou Williams
0.92 De'Aaron Fox
0.93 Cory Joseph - Spends lots of time at SG
0.95 Justise Winslow - SF for three seasons
0.95 Jeff Teague (198 poss)
0.95 Michael Carter-Williams
0.96 T.J. McConnell
0.97 Kyrie Irving
0.97 Tim Frazier
0.98 Tyus Jones
0.99 D.J. Augustin
0.99 Spencer Dinwiddie
0.99 Yogi Ferrell
1.00 Patrick Beverley
1.00 Tomas Satoransky
1.04 Terry Rozier
1.06 Rajon Rondo
1.07 Jamal Murray

[Real2KInsider]

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Does this data sway any ratings?

ISOLATION DEFENSE (2016-2019)
100+ Possessions (Bold = 200+ Possessions)
0.73 Derrick Rose = 67
0.77 Eric Bledsoe = 93
0.78 Dennis Schroder = 73
0.79 John Wall = 85
0.79 Kemba Walker = 75
0.79 Elfrid Payton = 80
0.79 Isaiah Thomas = 47
0.80 LeBron James = 87
0.80 Mike Conley = 85
0.81 Evan Turner = 74
0.81 Patty Mills = 65
0.82 Stephen Curry = 75
0.82 Chris Paul = 91
0.83 Kyle Lowry = 86
0.85 Russell Westbrook = 83
0.85 Ben Simmons = 84
0.85 Lonzo Ball = 84
0.85 Goran Dragic = 73
0.85 J.J. Barea = 64
0.85 Ish Smith = 74
0.86 Victor Oladipo = 91
0.86 Matthew Dellavedova = 82
0.87 Damian Lillard = 69
0.87 Reggie Jackson = 74
0.87 George Hill = 75
0.88 Ricky Rubio = 78
0.88 Austin Rivers = 82
0.89 Kris Dunn = 79
0.90 Lou Williams = 65
0.92 De'Aaron Fox = 79
0.93 Cory Joseph = 80
0.95 Justise Winslow = 78
0.95 Jeff Teague = 78
0.95 Michael Carter-Williams = 75
0.96 T.J. McConnell = 74
0.97 Kyrie Irving = 73
0.97 Tim Frazier = 69
0.98 Tyus Jones = 57
0.99 D.J. Augustin = 60
0.99 Spencer Dinwiddie = 74
0.99 Yogi Ferrell = 64
1.00 Patrick Beverley = 92
1.00 Tomas Satoransky = 71
1.04 Terry Rozier = 75
1.06 Rajon Rondo = 80
1.07 Jamal Murray = 70

[JoFri]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

For the record, posted ratings are the 2K defaults.

Using this as an exercise to see if my personal scale needs adjusting.

Currently recording all the Isolation Synergy data from the last four years. Samples are getting lower every year. PGs for example don't really Isolate, its mostly PNR.

Bledsoe's 4-year score is 0.77 PPP if I remember correctly. I think he was around 0.92 last year, but in only 36 possessions (0.63 the prior season is more reflective of his ability).

50th Percentile last season I think was 0.88 PPP.
0.77 PPP in a large sample would certainly merit 90ish rating

My bad. Tks for clarifying.
Looking at past 4 yrs records is a lot of work. I kept it to regular season stats only, and dig further if there are missing players eg Kristap. I was working on the 3 pt shot ratings last year as they were pretty off as well as isolation tendencies.

I have a hard time with player speed. You have any stats? The nba stats on distance per mile coverage doesnt seem to represent player speed well. I wanted to differentiate the bigs from the small.


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[JoFri]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

Does this data sway any ratings?



ISOLATION DEFENSE (2016-2019)

100+ Possessions (Bold = 200+ Possessions)

Spoiler

0.73 Derrick Rose = 67

0.77 Eric Bledsoe = 93

0.78 Dennis Schroder = 73

0.79 John Wall = 85

0.79 Kemba Walker = 75

0.79 Elfrid Payton = 80

0.79 Isaiah Thomas = 47

0.80 LeBron James = 87

0.80 Mike Conley = 85

0.81 Evan Turner = 74

0.81 Patty Mills = 65

0.82 Stephen Curry = 75

0.82 Chris Paul = 91

0.83 Kyle Lowry = 86

0.85 Russell Westbrook = 83

0.85 Ben Simmons = 84

0.85 Lonzo Ball = 84

0.85 Goran Dragic = 73

0.85 J.J. Barea = 64

0.85 Ish Smith = 74

0.86 Victor Oladipo = 91

0.86 Matthew Dellavedova = 82

0.87 Damian Lillard = 69

0.87 Reggie Jackson = 74

0.87 George Hill = 75

0.88 Ricky Rubio = 78

0.88 Austin Rivers = 82

0.89 Kris Dunn = 79

0.90 Lou Williams = 65

0.92 De'Aaron Fox = 79

0.93 Cory Joseph = 80

0.95 Justise Winslow = 78

0.95 Jeff Teague = 78

0.95 Michael Carter-Williams = 75

0.96 T.J. McConnell = 74

0.97 Kyrie Irving = 73

0.97 Tim Frazier = 69

0.98 Tyus Jones = 57

0.99 D.J. Augustin = 60

0.99 Spencer Dinwiddie = 74

0.99 Yogi Ferrell = 64

1.00 Patrick Beverley = 92

1.00 Tomas Satoransky = 71

1.04 Terry Rozier = 75

1.06 Rajon Rondo = 80

1.07 Jamal Murray = 70

Define isolation defense. What does it mean by 0.77 for bledsoe vs 1.07 (Jamal Murray)?



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[goma76]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

Define isolation defense. What does it mean by 0.77 for bledsoe vs 1.07 (Jamal Murray)?



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If your opponent scores every time he facing you, your PPP is 2 (more considering 3 point play) That means lower is the number, the player you defende score less.

[CelticLG]

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I have a hard time with player speed. You have any stats? The nba stats on distance per mile coverage doesnt seem to represent player speed well. I wanted to differentiate the bigs from the small.

Regarding speed I’m currently using this formula on my roster based on the 3/4 court sprint time at the combine:

[1-(Time - 2.97)]*100

[CelticLG]

Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

Regarding speed I’m currently using this formula on my roster based on the 3/4 court sprint time at the combine:

[1-(Time - 2.97)]*100

Then I’ll make ±3 based on the player