Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

[BigDan8]

I put my guys in the right positions to beat the zone but every time I make the right pass the player doesn't make a clean catch no matter if he's open or not and by doing that, it allows the defense to recover every single time. No matter what I do, they can't go straight up with a shot and there's always a delay on catch and shoot situations whether it be in the corner or the wing. You'll catch it and hit square and he'll just stand there and shooting doesn't even register on the initial catch. It's so freaking annoying and I sincerely hope this gets nerfed. Last year it wasn't much of a problem but this year it's terrible. It's becoming the meta for defense in online games and it's too much of a crutch for somebody to rely on. Please nerf this!

[jk31]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

I put my guys in the right positions to beat the zone but every time I make the right pass the player doesn't make a clean catch no matter if he's open or not and by doing that, it allows the defense to recover every single time. No matter what I do, they can't go straight up with a shot and there's always a delay on catch and shoot situations whether it be in the corner or the wing. You'll catch it and hit square and he'll just stand there and shooting doesn't even register on the initial catch. It's so freaking annoying and I sincerely hope this gets nerfed. Last year it wasn't much of a problem but this year it's terrible. It's becoming the meta for defense in online games and it's too much of a crutch for somebody to rely on. Please nerf this!

on the other Hand Zone is Not implemented correctly and players tend to move to the wrong spots on defense All the time, which completely decreases it's effectiveness. you are really vulnerable to inside points when playing 2-3.....

[Black Bruce Wayne]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

Im not in favor of nerfing things, like defense, just because one or a few people cant beat it

[Kushmir]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

It's becoming the meta for defense in online games and it's too much of a crutch for somebody to rely on. Please nerf this!

"Balance" is probably a better word, but I get it. Since 2K's zones have none of the weaknesses (open shots, passing, offensive rebounds, dribble penetration) of real ones its bad. As a matter of fact with the EZ mode passing lanes steals, the one way you beat a zone (ball movement) is alot more risky than it should be. Case in point this defender (in the paint no less) with a "Deion" steal on a pass to the wing.

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Then there's the bobbled catches that hinder ball movement. Keep in mind CHEESERS can throw full court passes galore and have zero issues[emoji849]

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But I agree, when the meta is contrary to the sport (and unbalanced) take it out unless it can be properly implemented.

[blk5tar5]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

Zone should be taken out until they fix it as it’s unnatural for the CPU to cover unnatural amount of space with 2 steps! Plus you’ll never see the cpu ever slide out of position or slow on recovery. I think their recovery position is at 80% when it should be lowered below 50% if they committed to a steal.


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[BigDan8]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

You can see by those videos that the zone definitely needs to be nerfed. It's not about me being able to beat it, I've beaten it for years. However, it literally is a crutch for people this year and is way too overpowered to beat it consistently. There is way too much forgiveness for when somebody makes a mistake running a zone because once you find an opening and get a clean pass to a shooter or post player, they have a delayed catch by fumbling the ball. It even happens when somebody is not even within 5 feet of the player. What would have been a clean catch and shoot against a zone last year is pretty much gone in 2K20. Look at how every single catch is bobbled and by the time you grab it and make the pass to the opposite corner, the majority of the time the defense has already recovered by that time and your open shot is screwed. It's ridiculous that every single pass with legitimately good passers and players with good hands ratings is bobbled and ruins the spacing you have once you make the correct read and play.

2K, please look into this and address it.

[rockchisler]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

“Then there's the bobbled catches that hinder ball movement. Keep in mind CHEESERS can throw full court passes galore and have zero issues“

That’s one thing that has bothered me about this game since the original 2k is the passing...there’s too many zip passes that go over 35 and 40 feet with a defender in between that if you don’t put some loft on it should be deflected but it’s not...


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[rockchisler]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

"Balance" is probably a better word, but I get it. Since 2K's zones have none of the weaknesses (open shots, passing, offensive rebounds, dribble penetration) of real ones its bad. As a matter of fact with the EZ mode passing lanes steals, the one way you beat a zone (ball movement) is alot more risky than it should be. Case in point this defender (in the paint no less) with a "Deion" steal on a pass to the wing.

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Then there's the bobbled catches that hinder ball movement. Keep in mind CHEESERS can throw full court passes galore and have zero issues[emoji849]

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But I agree, when the meta is contrary to the sport (and unbalanced) take it out unless it can be properly implemented.

The long pass cheese. I absolutely hate. There’s too many zip passes that are 30 to 40 feet long that go right over the players head and the defender somehow never sees it but it always lands right where the receiver is. He never runs under the ball its BS and unrealistic.


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[HoustonHarden]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

no "nerf" needed , play ball

[BigDan8]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

no "nerf" needed , play ball

Play ball? That's cute. I've played basketball my entire life and it's the only sport I watch. I know how to beat a zone. I've had zero issues breaking a zone in past 2K's but 2K20 is a differently story. I play 2K for money so don't assume that I don't know how to play or anything. The recovery by the defense is way too fast on top of that fact that 2K makes you bobble every single pass to an open player once it's caught, thus eliminating any open shot you had. Most of the time, the player will jump to bobble the catch when there's not even a defender nearby to warrant that type of animation and by the time that animation is finished, there's a delay on going straight up with a shot making basically everything contested.

Some aspects of the zone does need to be nerfed this year...that or the mechanics behind 2K regarding the passes against it and the delay on catch and shoot situations. I hold square as soon as the player catches the ball and he doesn't go up with it and only happens against a zone. Any other time against man defense, I have zero issues with catch and shoot when the right pass is made. It's getting really annoying feeling like I'm being penalized when I make the right read and pass against a zone and 2K has to give somebody a crutch and let them recover unlike past years of 2K.

[EarvGotti]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

It sounds like you guys are having the most trouble with spacing vs a 2-3 zone. If that is the case, then you need to go to Warriors freelance when your opponent is playing a 2-3.




I usually dump the ball to the big man and post up around the FT line. All of the AI defenders will collapse and you will have at least 3 people open for the 3pt shot. From there, its just up to you to make the right read and also time your jumpshot properly.

I'm at a point where i dont even care if my opponent runs 2-3 zone anymore, because i know i'm gonna get my open 3pt looks. It's just boring playing against zone because i can't really post up or run the plays that i enjoy running.

[BasketBalla21]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

Play ball? That's cute. I've played basketball my entire life and it's the only sport I watch. I know how to beat a zone. I've had zero issues breaking a zone in past 2K's but 2K20 is a differently story. I play 2K for money so don't assume that I don't know how to play or anything. The recovery by the defense is way too fast on top of that fact that 2K makes you bobble every single pass to an open player once it's caught, thus eliminating any open shot you had. Most of the time, the player will jump to bobble the catch when there's not even a defender nearby to warrant that type of animation and by the time that animation is finished, there's a delay on going straight up with a shot making basically everything contested.

Some aspects of the zone does need to be nerfed this year...that or the mechanics behind 2K regarding the passes against it and the delay on catch and shoot situations. I hold square as soon as the player catches the ball and he doesn't go up with it and only happens against a zone. Any other time against man defense, I have zero issues with catch and shoot when the right pass is made. It's getting really annoying feeling like I'm being penalized when I make the right read and pass against a zone and 2K has to give somebody a crutch and let them recover unlike past years of 2K.

What freelances are you using to beat zone? Like Earvgotti said, the right freelance can get you whatever shot you want.

[BigDan8]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

What freelances are you using to beat zone? Like Earvgotti said, the right freelance can get you whatever shot you want.

Been using 4 out 1 in, can't be much different than the Warriors freelance.

[Kushmir]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

None of that addresses the issues with passing lane steals warping to the defender if they spam, the high number of bobbled catches or the fact that zones don't give up offensive rebounds and penetration.

That's where the conversation starts.

[Kushmir]

Re: Zone, especially 2-3 seriously needs to be nerfed

Being all "Play basketball" is fine....but address how many aspects of the zone are things you only see in a videogame as well.