Minshew vs. Mayfield

[sniperhare]

So week 5 is done, and the rosters are still horrible in my opinion.

Let's ignore the Jaguars issues with poor OL ratings and just compare two QB's.

Gardner Minshew is a 6th round rookie; Baker Mayfield is in his second year and was drafted #1 Overall.

Minshew

CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT Sack FUM RTG

110 165 66.7 1279 7.8 9 1 12 7/4 105.6


Mayfield

CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT Sack FUM RTG

90 161 55.9 1279 7.7 4 8 16 5/3 68.5


Minshew is Normal dev with a rating of just 66 OVR
Mayfield is a Superstar dev with Abilities, rated at 82 OVR


We get weekly updates, they're supposed to fix these issues and problems.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

Re: Minshew vs. Mayfield

Makes 0 sense. All about the hype, not reality.


Just tweeted them about this... We'll see. I tweeted them about Minshew last week and they seemed to think they were being overly generous with giving him a 1 point ratings increase last week somehow lol. They even justified having Eli rated higher than Minshew.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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There are a few people they gave superstar traits to that just had to be changed that boggled my mind. I could understand Mayfield being a star maybe, but superstar...no. They are moving Minshew’s ratings up way too slowly with the updates as well.


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[kennylc321]

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Arguing over ratings is pretty pointless.

Sorry but hype is part of it. You're trying to make ratings a totally objective process... you are essentially arguing "who is better." Stats do not always tell the entire point.

And let's say the ratings guy buys your argument and say "yeah, Minshew should be higher than Mayfield" then we would be complaining that he received a 20 point jump.

Don't know what to tell you. It's not a perfect system and no matter how hard you argue Player A should be rated higher than Player B, someone will be able to counter it.

[stinkubus]

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Minshew has played only a handful of games. No need to overreact to such a small sample. Matt Cassel looked like an All-Pro for one season.

[GameBreaker35]

Re: Minshew vs. Mayfield

I’m a Jaguars fan myself.

Minshew is having himself quite a season, but the sample size is still small. I’ve come away extremely impressed each week; however, there are valid reasons he went in the 6th round, and was on the roster bubble during pre-season.

We still don’t know if this is a flash in the pan, or if we are looking at the next great one. He has a some short-comings in his throwing mechanics, and needs to work on protecting the ball when moving in the pocket — I’ll give him a bit of a pass with our OL for now.

I completely understand the Baker Mayfield case though. I think marketing has a lot of say in the Superstar tags and he’s still a very marketable player in the NFL right now.

Give it time my friend.


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[sniperhare]

Re: Minshew vs. Mayfield

Arguing over ratings is pretty pointless.

Sorry but hype is part of it. You're trying to make ratings a totally objective process... you are essentially arguing "who is better." Stats do not always tell the entire point.

And let's say the ratings guy buys your argument and say "yeah, Minshew should be higher than Mayfield" then we would be complaining that he received a 20 point jump.

Don't know what to tell you. It's not a perfect system and no matter how hard you argue Player A should be rated higher than Player B, someone will be able to counter it.

I disagree completely.

The ratings are supposed to allow the players to play in the game, like they do in real life.

It has nothing to do with who is more famous, or who has more commercials.


If you played a game of Madden, Mayfield would play outstanding, and Minshew would suck.


That is easily fixed, adjust the ratings so they play like they do in real life. That's supposed to be EA's responsibility.

I don't care if they hide the ratings, the point of them is to just show comparisons between players.


When they give advantages to players, like how Jackson gets the ability to move at running speed in the pocket, and Minshew plods around despite how he actually plays, it's an issue.


I like the idea of highlight abilities to further differentiate the best in the league.

But they're just not being consistent with them.

[ParaAut]

Re: Minshew vs. Mayfield

Very easy that you can play 5 games in Madden with Minshew better than 5 games with Mahomes. Is he then the better QB? - Likely not.


Ratings aren't based on 5 games, not even on a single season in most cases. If they were, we would have 10-20 point rating jumps every week and ratings are worth nothing.


Let Minshew outperform his ratings during the full season, then I'm sure he will be rated mid 70's at least. Let Mayfield underperform his ratings during the full season, then I'm sure he will arrive there too.

[coop9889]

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Just adjust the players yourself to your liking. Problem solved.

And like someone else said, don't overreact. If you've been watching the NFL for longer than this season, you'd know that players with little to no NFL film in their early years can look alright. But once teams start getting more and more film on them they tend to regress. Except the very few. RG3 is a good example. Off of his rookie year he looked like a 90 OVR lol. Where is he now?

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Minshew vs. Mayfield

Makes 0 sense. All about the hype, not reality.


Just tweeted them about this... We'll see. I tweeted them about Minshew last week and they seemed to think they were being overly generous with giving him a 1 point ratings increase last week somehow lol. They even justified having Eli rated higher than Minshew.

Fascinating, I say the same thing about the OP.

I think it is too small of a sample size to make any rash wholesale changes. This past week was the first time he eclipsed 300 yards. Prior to that he has been hovering around 213 ypg. He has been impressive with ball security but I think it is premature to compare him to a guy who has nearly a full season where he broke a NFL record. Interestingly enough I don't think Baker's struggles support your point at any rate; I think if anything it supports the position that we shouldn't be too quick to crown anyone

[timhere1970]

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I wish we could just randomize development traits at the start of a franchise. EA never gets it right and neither does anybody else. Nobody knows who is going to develop more in the future. They overhype the high picks every year yet most of those players never become stars let alone suoerstars. But i do agree, if you are going to put out updated rosters througb an nfl season those should reflect what happens in the nfl and not decisions made about players prior to the season. Otherwise, what is the point. A player can play like a star for awhile and then regress to the normal. Hot and cold streaks are common especially among qb's. If they play like a superstar make them a superstar. If they don't then downgrade them. Next week do it again. It would make taking over in a certain week matter to how the franchise plays out. I know i am tired of seein zeke as the all time leading rusher in every franchise i have had since he entered the league.

[ICE_790120q]

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Funny that a lot of people talk about hype on Mayfield while discussing Minshew. He's also over-hyped in my opinion it's the novelty, the latest feel good story of the NFL but we are still far from knowing what he'll turn out to be and I hope he is really good.

We could debate every single player on Madden an never come to an agreement, so I do think the current rating system is decent and the guy in charge is cautious not to overreact.

Overreaction what the NFL had scheduling the Browns on 3 prime time games in the first 5 weeks. Those slots were usually reserved from teams that had at least a winning record the previous season.

[77stormbreaker]

Re: Minshew vs. Mayfield

So week 5 is done, and the rosters are still horrible in my opinion.

Let's ignore the Jaguars issues with poor OL ratings and just compare two QB's.

Gardner Minshew is a 6th round rookie; Baker Mayfield is in his second year and was drafted #1 Overall.

Minshew

CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT Sack FUM RTG

110 165 66.7 1279 7.8 9 1 12 7/4 105.6


Mayfield

CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT Sack FUM RTG

90 161 55.9 1279 7.7 4 8 16 5/3 68.5


Minshew is Normal dev with a rating of just 66 OVR
Mayfield is a Superstar dev with Abilities, rated at 82 OVR


We get weekly updates, they're supposed to fix these issues and problems.

Mayfield is a much much better player lol

[tru11]

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Mayfield is a much much better player lol

talent wise sure.

production wise not so much this season.

given each teams talent on offense its not even close.

sadly some teams/players are rated based on talent/popularity rather then production while others need to produce first before they get the propper rating.

pretty much why there is always a debate....

[triggerfish1976]

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talent wise sure.

production wise not so much this season.

given each teams talent on offense its not even close.

sadly some teams/players are rated based on talent/popularity rather then production while others need to produce first before they get the propper rating.

pretty much why there is always a debate....

I think that’s the point though with the ratings.
Key positional ratings are based on physical ability/talent.

It could be argued that Mayfield is being hurt by Freddie Kitchens plus the ridiculous amount of pressure and hype put on him and the Browns to be playoff contenders.

Minshew doesn’t have that pressure. No matter what, he is going to be an overachiever his entire career. If Mayfield doesn’t become an elite QB he will be a bust.

It’s hard to mimic this dynamic in a video game and I’d argue that the new x-factor traits are trying to achieve this but they are still mostly focusing on physical abilities.

It’s us, the gamer who has to be the ‘factor’ that creates these narratives and until Madden gives us the ability to predetermine individual player performances via some sort of sim function then I don’t think we can have that level of control over this game. You can pre-determine wins and that can help to bump a players stats but it’s not an exact science in that regard.