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  • NEWSS
    Rookie
    • Aug 2018
    • 291

    #1

    Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

    This dude was blasting me with cheesy nonsense, I had to take it to the ground.

    How often do you run into this kind of players?



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  • Kingslayer04
    MVP
    • Dec 2017
    • 1482

    #2
    Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

    Originally posted by NEWSS
    This dude was blasting me with cheesy nonsense, I had to take it to the ground.

    How often do you run into this kind of players?



    Sent from my ASUS_X00ID using Operation Sports mobile app
    You didn't use your push kicks and especially the side body kicks. You'd then have all the space that you want against that kind of player.

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    • NEWSS
      Rookie
      • Aug 2018
      • 291

      #3
      Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

      Originally posted by Kingslayer04
      You didn't use your push kicks and especially the side body kicks. You'd then have all the space that you want against that kind of player.

      You're right. Have you noticed his heat-seeking flying knee? I side lunged it and it still hit me and knocked me down...

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      • tomitomitomi
        Pro
        • Mar 2018
        • 987

        #4
        Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

        Originally posted by NEWSS
        This dude was blasting me with cheesy nonsense, I had to take it to the ground.

        How often do you run into this kind of players?



        Sent from my ASUS_X00ID using Operation Sports mobile app
        Never really #JustDiv4Things
        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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        • 1212headkick
          Banned
          • Mar 2018
          • 1823

          #5
          Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

          Originally posted by NEWSS
          You're right. Have you noticed his heat-seeking flying knee? I side lunged it and it still hit me and knocked me down...
          You didnt make good use of a straight. You can side step flying knees and when they land their st will be low and they will be very vulnerable

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          • TheJamesKraus
            Pro
            • Oct 2017
            • 573

            #6
            Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

            You just have to be more patient... you know he only throws 1 shot at a time, apart from that lead elbow to spinning elbow but even that becomes predictable. Against these players you just have to wait for them to blow their stamina, and then you put the cheese on them , give them a taste of their own medicine. You done good getting the win though, looked pretty easy in the end. These type of players will always exist... unless we get a separate Ranked mode with simulated stamina.

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            • NEWSS
              Rookie
              • Aug 2018
              • 291

              #7
              Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

              Originally posted by TheJamesKraus
              You just have to be more patient... you know he only throws 1 shot at a time, apart from that lead elbow to spinning elbow but even that becomes predictable. Against these players you just have to wait for them to blow their stamina, and then you put the cheese on them , give them a taste of their own medicine. You done good getting the win though, looked pretty easy in the end. These type of players will always exist... unless we get a separate Ranked mode with simulated stamina.

              My initial plan was to just let him gas by himself, after the 3rd rock I decided it was too risky :-)

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              • RetractedMonkey
                MVP
                • Dec 2017
                • 1624

                #8
                Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

                Originally posted by NEWSS
                This dude was blasting me with cheesy nonsense, I had to take it to the ground.

                How often do you run into this kind of players?



                Sent from my ASUS_X00ID using Operation Sports mobile app
                Well, let's see. You were doing well using the straight into lead hook combo but then stopped doing that even though it stopped him dead in his tracks every time.

                You didn't evade the flying knee btw. You major lunged way before he even threw it and then ended up eating it. That wasn't a fault in the game, you just mistimed badly. You shouldn't be using major movements like that early into the first round anyway.

                You threw body kicks from good range, but then stopped doing that and ended up throwing a body kick from clinch range (???) right after you had just been rocked (?????) and then got rocked immediately again.

                Didn't use any ducks to avoid his elbows and overhands. You can easily fit those in between flying knees if you're judicious.

                Decided to exchange along the cage instead of circling out and exploiting his use of high stamina consuming strikes of which he had no finesse or craft in using.

                This isn't cheese. This is a flat out unviable strategy that became viable due to egregious player error.

                Nonetheless, elbow-knee, and elbow-spinning elbow shouldn't even be a thing. It looks stupid and if the player knows what they are doing, the knee-elbow can still be a big nuisance due to the high-low variable.

                This isn't an insult to you, but you'll probably take it that way. I'm here to spread the facts regardless. If you use your tools effectively, you can easily blow dudes like this tf out.

                However, you did a great job switching to your more effective playstyle of grappling when the cards were down. Good use of takedowns and this guy had no idea what he was doing on the ground. Good decision.

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                • NEWSS
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2018
                  • 291

                  #9
                  Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

                  Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                  Well, let's see. You were doing well using the straight into lead hook combo but then stopped doing that even though it stopped him dead in his tracks every time.

                  You didn't evade the flying knee btw. You major lunged way before he even threw it and then ended up eating it. That wasn't a fault in the game, you just mistimed badly. You shouldn't be using major movements like that early into the first round anyway.

                  You threw body kicks from good range, but then stopped doing that and ended up throwing a body kick from clinch range (???) right after you had just been rocked (?????) and then got rocked immediately again.

                  Didn't use any ducks to avoid his elbows and overhands. You can easily fit those in between flying knees if you're judicious.

                  Decided to exchange along the cage instead of circling out and exploiting his use of high stamina consuming strikes of which he had no finesse or craft in using.

                  This isn't cheese. This is a flat out unviable strategy that became viable due to egregious player error.

                  Nonetheless, elbow-knee, and elbow-spinning elbow shouldn't even be a thing. It looks stupid and if the player knows what they are doing, the knee-elbow can still be a big nuisance due to the high-low variable.

                  This isn't an insult to you, but you'll probably take it that way. I'm here to spread the facts regardless. If you use your tools effectively, you can easily blow dudes like this tf out.

                  However, you did a great job switching to your more effective playstyle of grappling when the cards were down. Good use of takedowns and this guy had no idea what he was doing on the ground. Good decision.

                  Thank you for the tips, my post was mostly aimed at showing a perfect example of an idiot player: fake glove touch into overhand, taunting when knocks you down, extreme use of not so realistic combos etc.


                  The clinch range body kick was a stupid mistake I know (I thought he was going to walk backward so I could hit him in a good range). I still feel, and I'm glad you agree, that those lightning fast knee-elbow/elbow-spinning elbow are too powerful, 1 split second and you're rocked. I saw someone effectively using similar strategies at div. 5/6 btw, a bit less extreme but similar.

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                  • RetractedMonkey
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2017
                    • 1624

                    #10
                    Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

                    Originally posted by Lakers 24 7
                    Anything unrealistic is cheese, doesn't matter if it's viable or not. What the other player did was unrealistic, so definitely a cheese strat. The other player shouldn't have to beat unrealistic tactics, that's not the point of a sports sim.
                    "Cheese" is generally meant to be something that is easy to do and hard to counter. If you would like to make your own definition for the word cheese, that's fine, but understand that most people in the FGC will not be on the same page as you.

                    And this is in fact an FG AND a sports game.

                    Either way, you will never make a game that is fully realistic because a human can do whatever they want to do with their character. If I wanted to throw only rear body hooks the whole fight, I can do that and there is nothing a developer could do to stop me.

                    That's why your definition is wrong and you know it. You wouldn't call that playstyle cheese because rear body hooks are super counterable even if it's an unrealistic playstyle.
                    Last edited by RetractedMonkey; 11-30-2019, 10:51 AM.

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                    • tomitomitomi
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2018
                      • 987

                      #11
                      Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

                      To be more specific, cheese is a low-skill tactic which relies on the opponent not expecting it. If the opponent predicts it then the cheese is (usually) easily neutralized. Something like fake glove touch into an overhand definitely counts as cheese no matter how "realistic" it is.

                      If cheese simply referred to everything unrealistic then it would be a redundant term since the word unrealistic already exists.

                      Plus, you are delusional if you think UFC 3 (or 4 for that matter) tries to be a sports sim.
                      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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                      • tomitomitomi
                        Pro
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 987

                        #12
                        Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

                        Originally posted by Lakers 24 7
                        They market it as a realistic simulation, but obviously it doesn't deliver in that regard.
                        This simply isn't true. Are you gonna call Battlefield a simulator next?

                        You're entitled to your opinion on what cheese is and isn't. I'm just telling you how it started and how it was used about 15 or so years ago.
                        Here is a definition for cheese from 1992. Literally nothing to do with realism

                        Here's the background for my definition of cheese

                        But hey you are entitled to your opinion.
                        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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                        • RetractedMonkey
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2017
                          • 1624

                          #13
                          Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

                          I wonder what kind of logic it will take to leap over that definition from 1992. Completely ignored the rebuff I gave for his definition using the body hook example too.

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                          Last edited by RetractedMonkey; 11-30-2019, 05:05 PM.

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                          • Kingslayer04
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2017
                            • 1482

                            #14
                            Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

                            @Lakers

                            People were talking about "cheese" regarding Street Fighter, what kind of realism could you possibly expect to see in that game? I clicked the link and about the "authenticity" part it says that means having nothing to do with how the game is intended to be played (or something to that effect). Something gamebreaking, basically.


                            Edit: sorry for editing after tomi liked this, but I also have to say that definitions and meanings do not always stand still, they can widen or narrow so "cheese" could now include more than what the 1992 definition says it included back then.
                            Last edited by Kingslayer04; 11-30-2019, 05:25 PM.

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                            • tomitomitomi
                              Pro
                              • Mar 2018
                              • 987

                              #15
                              Re: Cheesy idiots in ranked (video)

                              Weren't you supposed to show "how it started and how it was used about 15 or so years ago"? You're blatantly wrong about the origins of the term and your sports community is misusing the term.

                              Not true? I guess you missed all their blog posts that repeated buzz words like "authentic", "realistic", etc. They most certainly tried to position this title as a sports sim. But, yes, they failed. I never said they succeeded.
                              What a low standard.
                              ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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