Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

[NYMets2016]

If I wanted to keep the game sim, and max out the fastball and off speed pitch sliders would I need to max out the other games sliders to adjust for this?

For example, would it require me to boost up the baserunner speed slider so runners could still steal bases?

Would boosting up the baserunner speed slider require me to boost up the fielders speed so they can get to balls and not give up a ton of triples.

Has anyone tried this, or have good maxed out pitch speed, legend mode sliders?

[canes21]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

In the past thr pitch speed did not mess with the base stealing ability. Base stealing was completely reliant on the Base Stealing Ability slider. I'd assume that hasn't changed.

[knucklecutter]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

Pitch speed sliders do not affect game physics. It's visual only, which makes the game harder for the human player because you have less time to react. I play with Mike Lowe's sliders on legend / legend with max speeds and it plays fine, but your mileage may vary depending on your personal reflexes. Base runners, throwing etc has nothing to do with pitch speed sliders. .

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

I've seen people with conflicting results so it's not 100%, but based on my testing pitch speed works in isolation of the other sliders.

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[markor]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

I've seen people with conflicting results so it's not 100%, but based on my testing pitch speed works in isolation of the other sliders.

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I’m not sure if it coincidence or the new patch but ever since increasing the pitch speed to 10 vs 5 the exact same swings that used to be good/good now are good/okay. Seeing a lot of just okay contact with pitches over the heart of the plate. Need a bigger sample size I guess. I use directional so the PCI placement shouldn’t be affected by pitch speed ?

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

I’m not sure if it coincidence or the new patch but ever since increasing the pitch speed to 10 vs 5 the exact same swings that used to be good/good now are good/okay. Seeing a lot of just okay contact with pitches over the heart of the plate. Need a bigger sample size I guess. I use directional so the PCI placement shouldn’t be affected by pitch speed ?

I've done more testing on the subject since I made that post, and I'll I have to say at this time was that results were inconclusive.

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

I’m not sure if it coincidence or the new patch but ever since increasing the pitch speed to 10 vs 5 the exact same swings that used to be good/good now are good/okay. Seeing a lot of just okay contact with pitches over the heart of the plate. Need a bigger sample size I guess. I use directional so the PCI placement shouldn’t be affected by pitch speed ?

I'll expand on what I said earlier to say that if increasing pitch speeds is effecting PCI placement, that probably means that raising pitch speeds increases the impact of K/9 vs Vision.

In theory, raising the timing slider should counteract the effect.

The key here is you can't just look at your own results. You have to look at the CPU as well. If the CPU is getting the same drop in quality hits on the same timing that you are, then odds are K/9 has been buffed vs Vision.

If not, you're likely just having a string of bad luck.

This is all theory crafting though. I don't have enough playtesting to confirm or deny any of this. I'm more focused on other sliders for now.

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[markor]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

I think the CPU is doing just fine.....
The more I think about it all, I’m wondering are all “good” timings created equal? I don’t mean from a result perspective but from a user input perspective. Maybe my timing is still in the “good” window but not as good?

[HighCmpPct]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

I've played on pitch speeds 10FB and 9OS for years now. It doesn't effect anything else slider wise, from an actual game sense.

Now if higher pitch speeds are pushing or are beyond your skill/reaction range then yes further slider edits will need to be made. This is not because the speeds are effecting the other parts of the game. But because it is changing how you the user are effecting the results.

There is a perfect balance for everyone, this balance is not the same for everyone however. The best thing for anyone to do with pitch speeds is to find the best FB balance for you personally. It should be a setting where you can be on it when sitting FB but can be blown away by a good FB if you're not. Once you have found that sweet spot for you then set your Offspeed to 1 notch below your FB setting.

Lastly everyone turn off the dang swing analysis display. The only thing this display does if make you a worse hitter. It gets in your head, it makes you think way, way to much. The only thing thinking about the previous result is going to do is screw up your approach on the next pitch.

People focus way to much on what good/bad/perfect timing and placement does or is. You can have "perfect" timing and placement in real life too and guess what. You're out... hell you may even miss the damn ball entirely. Just focus on your approach and turn the damn thing off.

[canes21]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

Since making my post in this thread, I've progressed my sliders to max pitch speeds on Legend and can say that it still appears that the pitch speed slider has 0 affect on anything else gameplay wise. It's just visual and the stealing is not impacted at all.

I do wish we could go higher. The max pitch speeds still aren't high enough. I wish at 10/10 on Legend that you got the real life reaction times.

[HighCmpPct]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

You may want it faster but you don't want real life reaction times. Just purely based on you having to make the input and the game responding to it it's just not feasible.

The inability to read spin and being able to get your stride moving in addition to input delay as I mentioned just doesn't mesh with the 3-4 tenths of a second you have to react in real life.

[HighCmpPct]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

Also just to throw it out there, having off speed set at same as FB actually gives you more of an advantage than challenge.

The bigger difference between Offspeed and FB the more the challenge. And will make FBs feel all the more faster.

[canes21]

Re: Would maxing out pitch speed sliders require me to change other sliders?

I would love for 10/10 to be as accurate as possible with regards to matching real life reaction times. I still find myself way too early on the max speeds simply because it isn't quick enough. If we at least had the option to get the game to match real life reaction times then we could at least try it out. You may be right that if we had that option I'd use something slower, but at this point in time I definitely need something faster than what the game allows. At least having the ability to go up to that speed would be nice.