Best Roster for Harcore Sim Franchise Players

**Cycloniac** · 04-16-2020, 10:32 PM

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Cheers, glad to see another person putting in work to make the game better for the community

**TopSide83** · 04-17-2020, 12:45 AM

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Checked out your roster and they look really good. My one complaint and this goes to the other rosters out there is the starting pitchers ratings. No one ever touches these and they’re the worst part About the game IMO. Their K ratings are so low. If I guy ks 8 per 9 and had a 60 k rating, it’s near impossible to consistently strike out batters with him.

**Cycloniac** · 04-17-2020, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by TopSide83

Checked out your roster and they look really good. My one complaint and this goes to the other rosters out there is the starting pitchers ratings. No one ever touches these and they’re the worst part About the game IMO. Their K ratings are so low. If I guy ks 8 per 9 and had a 60 k rating, it’s near impossible to consistently strike out batters with him.

But that's the thing:

Someone with a k/9 of 8 doesn't consistently strike out batters anyway. He can, if he's got good stuff on a particular day, but that's not the norm. A k/9 of 8 is below league average. The average is almost 9 k's/9 now.

So, I would actually say that I'm sure he edited his k/9. We all do.

**TopSide83** · 04-17-2020, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Cycloniac

But that's the thing:

Someone with a k/9 of 8 doesn't consistently strike out batters anyway. He can, if he's got good stuff on a particular day, but that's not the norm. A k/9 of 8 is below league average. The average is almost 9 k's/9 now.

So, I would actually say that I'm sure he edited his k/9. We all do.

What I’m saying is.. a guy who strikes out 7.5-8.5 Ks per 9 shouldn’t have a k rating in the low 60s. I’ve played this game long enough to know what’s going on. I’ve also went through everyone’s rosters and barely notice any changes to Starting Pitchers.

**RogueHominid** · 04-17-2020, 11:18 AM

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Hi Viator,

I'm following Cycloniac's thread and now yours.

I see you're highlighting the sheer number of edited players in your roster as compared to other rosters.

What's clear from Cycloniac's thread is that there's a pretty robust system for the re-rates that are done.

I'm wondering if you have a similar system (I did read the OP) and if what's unique here is that you applied it to more players, or that you have a different method for calculating ratings, etc.

Could you elaborate?

I'm not intending to frame this query as a peeing contest between roster makers, but rather am trying to understand the nuances of each set.

Thanks!

**ViatorLion10** · 04-17-2020, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by TopSide83

What I’m saying is.. a guy who strikes out 7.5-8.5 Ks per 9 shouldn’t have a k rating in the low 60s. I’ve played this game long enough to know what’s going on. I’ve also went through everyone’s rosters and barely notice any changes to Starting Pitchers.

60 is roughly the average rating for all attributes (except fielding which is 70) for the players. If you created a SP with all 60 ratings, you'd end up with roughly a 76 OVR player, which is roughly "average"

The average K/9 in the league is around 8.5. So a SP with a K/9 around 8.5 should be around 60 for their rating

You may have played this game for a while, but you haven't done near the amount of testing and analysis that myself and I'm sure Cycloniac have done. Hours of testing potentials and and ratings has gone into these calculations.

**ViatorLion10** · 04-17-2020, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by EnglishBull34

Hi Viator,

I'm following Cycloniac's thread and now yours.

I see you're highlighting the sheer number of edited players in your roster as compared to other rosters.

What's clear from Cycloniac's thread is that there's a pretty robust system for the re-rates that are done.

I'm wondering if you have a similar system (I did read the OP) and if what's unique here is that you applied it to more players, or that you have a different method for calculating ratings, etc.

Could you elaborate?

I'm not intending to frame this query as a peeing contest between roster makers, but rather am trying to understand the nuances of each set.

Thanks!

Thanks for following!

Cycloniac does have a robust system for rating based off of specific statistics. That is definitely next level for roster creation. However, after looking through his roster, I did find some of his calculations a little puzzling and the resulting overalls to be disagreeable.

Don't get me wrong, its still one of the best rosters out there for realism. It just wasn't exactly to my liking, mostly because of the resulting overalls and potentials that he came up with.

My system was based predominantly on WAR for current MLB players. Fangraphs has a great WAR system that breaks different values into tiers. I simply turned those tiers into ratings spreads and used them as target overalls for players. For potentials, I assigned potentials based on future roles that players are projected to fill. For example, "middle of the rotation starter" varies anywhere from 78-83. Some other things like career performance to date or potential of individual tools would then go into calculating a final number.

One drawback of my system that I'll admit is that it is not 100% adherent to statistics. If a players has a league average K rate as a hitter (25%), then its not guaranteed that his vision will be a 60 (average rating), but it should be in the general vicinity.

I focused just on editing overalls mainly, so I didn't necessarily edit attribute patterns. I took the base attributes generated by SDS or by the roster creator (mkharsh33) and increased/decreased them until I got to my target overall.

I would LOVE to edit each individual player and make their ratings accurately reflect every detail of their play. I have the knowledge of statistics and mathematics to generate formulas to make this happen in a completely unbiased and accurate manner. However, I am just one person, and even this method that I did took 60+ hours.

I would love the opportunity to collaborate with someone like Cycloniac or anyone who's interested for future projects. We the players deserve the best roster humanly possible. I just wish SDS delivered it to us instead.

And don't worry about about starting any rifts. I got respect for Cycloniac and the grind he puts in. I'm just pointing out a few criticisms for improvement, and I welcome the same.

**TopSide83** · 04-17-2020, 11:57 AM

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Just so you guys know I appreciate you roster makers and I’m not trying to argue about anything. All I’m doing is going by what i see in the actually gameplay.

Thank you both for your rosters

**The Kid 24** · 04-20-2020, 01:34 PM

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Top, not sure what you're talking about... Cy has strike out pitchers with very high ratings in his roster.

Just a few for example:

Robbie Ray - 97 K/9
Will Smith - 97 K/9
Chris Sale - 99 K/9
Josh Hader - 99 K/9
Matt Barnes - 99 K/9
Yu Darvish - 88 K/9
Trevor Bauer - 85 K/9
Mike Clevinger - 87 K/9
Gerrit Cole - 99 K/9
Max Scherzer - 99 K/9
Stephen Strasburg - 86 K/9
Corey Kluber - 80 K/9

**ViatorLion10** · 04-20-2020, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by SidBream

Thank you for the explanation. I have concerns about any roster where overall ratings are used. The overall of a player does not affect how he will perform in gameplay or sim. It is the underlying statistics that will drive performance and sim stats. That should be the focus of any roster IMHO.

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I'll concur with that. But like I said, I'm only one person. Its not a perfect system, but it has its advantages. By focusing on overalls, roster management and balances are a lot better.

**FindingTim** · 04-23-2020, 03:44 PM

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does this set combine a deep minors with your re-workings of ratings? I'm super intrigued.

**ViatorLion10** · 04-23-2020, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by FindingTim

does this set combine a deep minors with your re-workings of ratings? I'm super intrigued.

Yes. "Deep minors" to the extent that if a top prospect is in the deep minors it's highly likely that he has been included.

**huskerfan4life** · 04-25-2020, 12:43 PM

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I was wondering if this set was out yet?

**ViatorLion10** · 04-25-2020, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by huskerfan4life

I was wondering if this set was out yet?

Yessir. Been out for a couple weeks. Enjoy!

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