UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

[mcm12345]

The Game has been playable with those with EA Access which means we've had access to the fighters and their stats. The game will drop very soon but the changes that will be made on the Day 1 patch won't include stat changes.

EA has revealed that Daniel Cormier will be responsible for adjusting stats after each UFC event to nerf or buff fighters based off of their performances.

My concern is that there are some inactive fighters who have stats not accurate enough who won't get tuned due to not competing in fights to force a change. Furthermore, some fighters in the base game simply have stats that don't accurately reflect their real life performances to this date.

The Gamechangers will likely put up a thread when the game has it's official release but for now here's a thread to address stat. If a thread is stickied, I will take this thread down

In this thread, state which stats from fighters you feel should be adjusted.


-IGNORE OVERALL RANKINGS: They dont matter. If you are pissed because Fighter X has a higher OVR than Fighter Y, you should dig deeper and look at the individual stat ratings before complaining.

- BRING SOME SUPPORT: If you are unhappy about fighter X is accuracy rating, show some proof that he is accurate. Fightmetric and ESPN both have databases that support many of the stats categories in the game. Use them to prove your point.

-And leave personal bias out of it.

[SaladAss]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

Conor needs 5 star striking

[TheSierraNevada]

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Conor needs 5 star striking

He’s 5 star striking at lightweight

[mcm12345]

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The most glaring one for me right now is GSP's cardio at Welterweight. His Cardio stat is a 91. For reference, Conor McGregor's cardio is a 90.

The version of GSP used in the game is his prime (as evident by his Legend tag) and therefore he should have stats indicative of his prime. Prime GSP consistently dominated opponents through all 5 rounds of the fight while maintaining a high output of strikes and takedowns. The only time I can recall of his cardio not being top notch was in the Bisping fight but that was at Middleweight and shouldn't have a bearing on his performance at Welterweight. GSP is also someone many people consider to be the GOAT and he's not even a 5 star fighter in this game. A buff to his cardio isn't unreasonable in this case.

[brownjesus10]

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I believe Kimbo has a higher takedown rating than Stipe.. his grappling is crazy overrated in the game as of right now.

[TheSierraNevada]

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I believe Kimbo has a higher takedown rating than Stipe.. his grappling is crazy overrated in the game as of right now.

I believe they messed up and whoever put in his stats put his striking stats in the grappling section and vice versa.

[brownjesus10]

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I believe they messed up and whoever put in his stats put his striking stats in the grappling section and vice versa.

That’d definitely make sense. To add another fighter with a stats issue, Paul Felder having only 89 body health seems pretty low to me. Dude has walked through switch kicks and spinning back kicks from Edson.

[tomitomitomi]

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How about there's immediately a rule not to talk about star ratings? Talk about the actual stats you want to change.

[Phillyboi207]

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Hey thanks for this thread. I was planning on making one when the game officially released.

I did most of the stats myself and will be helping with updating the fighters as the UFC events happen. I am open to suggestions but please keep a few things in mind.

1) The rating are done based on the division. There is no point in comparing across divisions.

2) Base your suggestions off of actual fights and stats from real life fights.

3) Star ratings / overalls DO NOT matter. I don't agree with the formula that decides the overall but I do care about the fighters' strengths and weaknesses being on full display.

That all being said. I didn't even realize that Kimbo's stats in game are wrong. That'll be fixed.

The Paul Felder suggestion also makes sense, he is incredibly durable and walks through everything.

As far as Conor's cardio vs GSP you have to consider the game's mechanics. So Conor typically fights at a high pace (although he can gas after 2 rounds). GSP typically fights at a slow pace at least on the feet. On the ground GSP has higher move levels in addition to the Work Horse perk so he'll have much more stamina in grappling exchanges. Conor on the other hand has low level grappling moves so he'll gas pretty fast if you wrestle with him.

Just to give you some stats to back that up. Conor lands about 1.5x as many strikes per minute as GSP (5.43 vs 3.78). He also threw 322 total strikes against Diaz in their 2nd fight. GSP highest is 303 vs Fitch a good portion of which were on the ground.

If you guys see anything that looks glaringly wrong (like Kimbo) please feel free to point that out right away.

Thanks

[mcm12345]

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Urijah Faber needs some SERIOUS love. He's only lost one fight to someone who wasn't/would go on to become a champion in his career and that's Jimmie Rivera who's a top ten Bantamweight. So there's no reason for his stats to be as lacking as they are. He's 1-1 in his return run with the loss being to the current champion. It's not like he had some BJ Penn skid.

His striking stats aren't all that great but the one that really bothers me is his Punch Power being only an 89. Faber won his return fight in 2019 in under a minute via TKO.And he's always had power in his hands throughout his career. His punch power should be at least a 90 especially seeing as recency is on his side.


His grappling stats are kind of worrying too. Faber has been a strong wrestler throughout his career yet his takedown stat is a mere 89. That's the same as Francis Ngannou for crying out loud. He should be at least a 90 because he's an above average wrestler. Additionally,his ground striking stat sits at an 89. I recall Faber having good GNP throughout his career especially amongst his division. He deserves at least a 90 in that area too.

[brownjesus10]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

Hey thanks for this thread. I was planning on making one when the game officially released.

I did most of the stats myself and will be helping with updating the fighters as the UFC events happen. I am open to suggestions but please keep a few things in mind.

1) The rating are done based on the division. There is no point in comparing across divisions.

2) Base your suggestions off of actual fights and stats from real life fights.

3) Star ratings / overalls DO NOT matter. I don't agree with the formula that decides the overall but I do care about the fighters' strengths and weaknesses being on full display.

That all being said. I didn't even realize that Kimbo's stats in game are wrong. That'll be fixed.

The Paul Felder suggestion also makes sense, he is incredibly durable and walks through everything.

As far as Conor's cardio vs GSP you have to consider the game's mechanics. So Conor typically fights at a high pace (although he can gas after 2 rounds). GSP typically fights at a slow pace at least on the feet. On the ground GSP has higher move levels in addition to the Work Horse perk so he'll have much more stamina in grappling exchanges. Conor on the other hand has low level grappling moves so he'll gas pretty fast if you wrestle with him.

Just to give you some stats to back that up. Conor lands about 1.5x as many strikes per minute as GSP (5.43 vs 3.78). He also threw 322 total strikes against Diaz in their 2nd fight. GSP highest is 303 vs Fitch a good portion of which were on the ground.

If you guys see anything that looks glaringly wrong (like Kimbo) please feel free to point that out right away.

Thanks

Thanks for listening to feedback! Glad there’s open communication between both sides about ratings.

[Phillyboi207]

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Urijah Faber needs some SERIOUS love. He's only lost one fight to someone who wasn't/would go on to become a champion in his career and that's Jimmie Rivera who's a top ten Bantamweight. So there's no reason for his stats to be as lacking as they are. He's 1-1 in his return run with the loss being to the current champion. It's not like he had some BJ Penn skid.

His striking stats aren't all that great but the one that really bothers me is his Punch Power being only an 89. Faber won his return fight in 2019 in under a minute via TKO.And he's always had power in his hands throughout his career. His punch power should be at least a 90 especially seeing as recency is on his side.


His grappling stats are kind of worrying too. Faber has been a strong wrestler throughout his career yet his takedown stat is a mere 89. That's the same as Francis Ngannou for crying out loud. He should be at least a 90 because he's an above average wrestler. Additionally,his ground striking stat sits at an 89. I recall Faber having good GNP throughout his career especially amongst his division. He deserves at least a 90 in that area too.

Please refer to my previous posts. Stats are only relevant within a division. Comparing Uriah to Ngannou doesn't mean anything when discussing potential changes.

Keep in mind that it's not just about W/Ls

Uriah hasn't really looked competitive against top level fighters in awhile. His punching power outside of his overhand also isn't anything special. The goal would be to give him a high level overhand so he still has that threat.

Uriah currently has TD accuracy of only 30%. Him having an 89 is pretty generous.

Just to be clear, moving forward please try to refrain from saying a fighter deserves a specific number without any frame of reference. If you think his GnP is too low provide examples of recent fights that displayed it.

If you can base your suggestions around stats, recent fights, and comparisons within the division I will definitely consider it.

[brownjesus10]

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One more possible change that could be made is lowering Francis’ takedown rating and top game rating, there’s a much larger skill difference wrestling-wise between him and Stipe (among others) in real life than in game. Stipe has taken down an Olympic wrestler in DC, while Francis hasn’t shown much ground ability besides a submission over a pretty average fighter and then being in survival mode against Stipe.

[Phillyboi207]

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One more possible change that could be made is lowering Francis’ takedown rating and top game rating, there’s a much larger skill difference wrestling-wise between him and Stipe (among others) in real life than in game. Stipe has taken down an Olympic wrestler in DC, while Francis hasn’t shown much ground ability besides a submission over a pretty average fighter and then being in survival mode against Stipe.

I agree with everything you said so I double checked Ngannou's rating

His 89 Takedown is in error. It should be 85. I'll also look into having that corrected.

Edit: Top control should also only be 88

[mcm12345]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

Please refer to my previous posts. Stats are only relevant within a division. Comparing Uriah to Ngannou doesn't mean anything.

Keep in mind that it's not just about W/Ls

Uriah hasn't really looked competitive against top level fighters in awhile. His punch power outside of his overhand also isn't anything special. The goal would be to give him a high level overhand so he still has that threat.

Uriah currently has a TD accuracy of only 30%. Him having an 89 is pretty generous.

Just to be clear, moving forward please try to refrain from saying a fighter deserves a specific number without any frame of reference. If you think his GnP is too low provide examples of recent fights that displayed it.

If you can base your suggestions around stats, recent fights, and comparisons within the division I will definitely consider it.

Thank you for putting high quality thought into your answer.

Faber bloodied Brad Pickett with GNP elbows in his third most recent fight and also the last fight where he spent prolonged periods on top. You could see the damage Faber's GNP had done to his face. Brad got dropped with a punch but he was cut open with Ground and Pound. He got a 10-8 round in some of the judges scorecards for that fight and they typically don't give 10-8s to guys who are inactive while on top. Faber did enough damage to convince them. And he continued to hurt Brad on top through the rest of the fight

For older examples, there's the fight with Brian Bowles (former WEC champion) where he delivered multiple damaging shots on top that caused Bowles to give up his back for the choke. I'm sure there's more

For a comparison within the division, TJ Dillashaw has a 91 in ground and pound. TJ in recent times doesn't use his top game very often to land strikes. The only time in recent memory he used GNP was against John Lineker. And he didn't do any real damage to Lineker. He outclassed him but he never truely hurt him. He didn't do the damage that Faber has shown.

The only other time TJ showed ground strikes was against Cody Garbrandt but that was a ''FINISH THE FIGHT'' style of strike has opposed to the GNP technique (posturing up and stuff on an opponent who isn't already on queer street). If that is included, then Faber's win in 2019 in under a minute which was finished with FINISH THE FIGHT style of strikes should be included too.

TJ hasn't spent a lot of time on top of an opponent excluding the Lineker Fight (where he didn't do much in terms of true damage) in over 5 years. Since winning the title, he spends most of the fight on his feet therefore you have to go a long way back to see him effectively using GNP.

I get that Faber hasn't beaten top opposition in a long time. That said, I feel like there's no reason to assume that his GNP isn't strong relative to the rest of the division. I do feel like a 90 in his GNP is reasonable.