Buff subs

[johnmangala]

It's too easy to escape subs now even with empty stamina. It should be like ufc 3.

[NEWSS]

Re: Buff subs

It's too easy to escape subs now even with empty stamina. It should be like ufc 3.

I don't know, I watched Martial mind submitting fools left and right with Nogueira

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[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

I don't know, I watched Martial mind submitting fools left and right with Nogueira

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You can still submit people. But it's too easy to escape empty stamina subs. It should be like ufc 3.

[Evil97]

Re: Buff subs

I've come to accepting that until most of the players get better at the sub mini games, the developers won't buff them. In the meantime time, I will continue to play ranked knowing that even if I'm completely gassed, I can escape every limb submission and most chokes. And when I say escape limb submissions, I mean it's not even freaking close.

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[xtremeba1000]

Re: Buff subs

I literally had 0 subs on ufc 3 after like 4000-5000 matches. I've gotten like 150 in UFC 4 even after they made them harder. I can only get the joint submissions though, I suck at the choke mini game.

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

I literally had 0 subs on ufc 3 after like 4000-5000 matches. I've gotten like 150 in UFC 4 even after they made them harder. I can only get the joint submissions though, I suck at the choke mini game.

It was easier to sub people in UFC 3. One denial and you 70% submitted them.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Buff subs

joint subs are in a good place imo, i was able to tap out a div 20 player.

Choke subs need a bigger penalty for people flicking their sticks or circling fast.

[Evil97]

Re: Buff subs

joint subs are in a good place imo, i was able to tap out a div 20 player.

Choke subs need a bigger penalty for people flicking their sticks or circling fast.

That Div 20 player was not defending well then. Most don't.

[Little__Verdi]

Re: Buff subs

Way too easy to escape if you know what you're doing.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Buff subs

Submissions should serve a bigger purpose than a simple "win now because opponent has low stamina".

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

Submissions should serve a bigger purpose than a simple "win now because opponent has low stamina".

What’s that purpose? Because now subs rarely even show up on the highlight between rounds. Before if you got a three gate sub or a sub at the end of the round in progress it would be shown.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Buff subs

What’s that purpose? Because now subs rarely even show up on the highlight between rounds. Before if you got a three gate sub or a sub at the end of the round in progress it would be shown.

It's pretty stale if submissions go from irrelevant to game winning purely based on stamina. I don't mind the idea of being able to just clinch someone and choking them out but obviously there needs to be a more meaningful counterplay mechanic than what was available on launch.

I think something like headlock position could easily be expanded on by including strikes, the ability to drag the opponent down to sprawl position and taking the opponent's back. Threatening submissions can create a theoretically interesting dynamic where your main concern is defending the submission but you can also anticipate and counter the other options. Conversely, I find back sitting to be a pretty boring position as there's low threat from both strikes and submissions.

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

It's pretty stale if submissions go from irrelevant to game winning purely based on stamina. I don't mind the idea of being able to just clinch someone and choking them out but obviously there needs to be a more meaningful counterplay mechanic than what was available on launch.

I think something like headlock position could easily be expanded on by including strikes, the ability to drag the opponent down to sprawl position and taking the opponent's back. Threatening submissions can create a theoretically interesting dynamic where your main concern is defending the submission but you can also anticipate and counter the other options. Conversely, I find back sitting to be a pretty boring position as there's low threat from both strikes and submissions.

I agree on there should be more to positions like front headlock. All gates should be positions that you can strike, transition, or move from. Subs should also have stamina active during subs. There should be submission cancels too. I think all that is possible with TBS. But I think most features except the position part are possible for the mini games.

But as it is now subs arent as viable. I'm not saying low stamina should be a death sentence but I think they should be as dangerous as UFC 3.

[ryangil23]

Re: Buff subs

Joint submissions seem ok but I don’t know how you’re supposed to get anyone who knows what they’re doing in the chokes.

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

Joint submissions seem ok but I don’t know how you’re supposed to get anyone who knows what they’re doing in the chokes.

I've choked out people with small bars in the choke submissions but never submitted someone with a small bar in joint subs.