OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

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  • scratchdidthis
    Banned
    • Oct 2020
    • 44

    #1

    OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

    As the topic states, I would like to name of list of things I'd like to think we all could agree on that would make the game FEEL next-gen. Tried and true topics like Franchise improvements and gameplay fixes are well known. Let's talk about things that fall to the side a bit.

    Dynamic Attendance

    We all know the popular story of how this is a big no-no for the NFL. If you don't know the story read here:

    “We incorporated accurate attendance for all the teams, and Jacksonville always had these terrible turnouts," a former EA Tiburon producer told Sports Illustrated. "The Jags owner got all pissed off when he heard there were empty seats when you played as his team in the game. The team called the NFL and we had to fix it immediately.”

    Seeing as though no Madden game has ever had dynamic attendance, I'm going to have to call shenanigans on this story. Even more-so, if implemented correctly (as 2k does) it would be a non issue for the NFL. The simple fix would be to have play now games largely play out as they do now (full attendance) and have Franchise mode accurately display larger or smaller crowds depending on how your team is currently doing as well as it's relationship to the fan base. As it stands now, every game is packed as if its the Super-bowl and cameras flashes are going off constantly. No immersion factor at all.

    Realistic Injuries

    Does this need to be explained? I've never seen a game get it so wrong for so long. Injuries occur and they need to be represented in a way this is authentic. Doesn't have to be gruesome or mature content. It could be as simple as players accurately attending to what is hurting them. Blowing an ACL should have players grabbing their knee while being attended too by trainers (as well as other players looking on in concern). Again, not hard to implement but it does missed every time.

    Realistic Sidelines

    For a game that came out in 2007 to have REAL AUTHETIC FULLY INTERACTIVE sidelines (looking at you APF2k8), there is just no excuse here. Each year we hear about how "hardware has held us back" and each year other more active (I won't say talented because that's just an insult) developers find way to push the boundaries. At this point, Madden needs to fix this issue in a hurry.

    Bent Knees

    It's one thing to have painted on arm sleeves (Madden 06-21), it's completely another when your players don't even stand up correctly. This is one of the most egregious eye sores in modern gaming and it continues to rear its ugly head every year.


    Updated Locomotion

    Madden can often look amazing when you look at pictures. And then you watch the game in motion and the hurky jerky arcade like animation takes over. We are in sore need of a complete overhaul of how animation plays out in Madden. Realistic route running and player planting is a must. OL/DL interaction could use a big polish and push in the animation department (patty-cake animation anyone?)


    Contextual Player Awareness

    How many times have you had a game where the CPU picked you off, you're receiver then goes on to lay a big hit on the DB and gets up celebrating? Question, why is the receiver celebrating? Well in Madden it's because it is a canned animation set to trigger on "X" event. Madden's logic doesn't take in to account variables very well. Things like, down and distance, game time, game quarter, fatigue all of these could play a key factor in how your players react on the field.

    Imagine your QB (who is normally sure footed) has taken a ton of QB hits in the game - later on you see his accuracy is now affected because of it. This could be fixed by calling simple dump offs or short passes to calm him down. Sounds odd right? Like a game within a game? Like.... Football?

    What if I told you EA had a feature in NCAA 05-06 where the crowd played a factor in games. If it got to loud opposing teams trying to audible would have WR's unable to hear them.

    IT CAN BE DONE. But it won't.


    Would love to hear more on this from you guys.
    Last edited by scratchdidthis; 10-29-2020, 05:58 PM.
  • simbayless
    MVP
    • May 2011
    • 2035

    #2
    Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

    Pride and Effort would be next Gen for them that's how bad madden has been

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    • TexasFan2005
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      • Aug 2010
      • 621

      #3
      Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

      Great points. I would also add different commentary teams and different broadcast packages to make the atmosphere a lot better. SNF should feel a lot different than early games. Playoff games should feel much different as well. I'd also add dynamic weather and day-to-night transitions (that actually work) during games.

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      • PhillyPhanatic14
        MVP
        • Jun 2015
        • 4824

        #4
        Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

        A game that is built like it's 2020 and not 2010. From modes, to bug-testing, to graphics, to gameplay. The game has seen such a lack of updates that it's embarrassingly outdated at this point. Every sentence the 2K devs speak about NBA next gen makes it more and more apparent how crappy Madden currently is and how overmatched their devs are.

        The Madden devs are the Jets. Yeah, they're technically in the same league as the Chiefs, Ravens, Bucs, and Packers...(NBA 2K, The Show, almost every non-sports game) but they aren't competitive and the product they put out is embarrassing on every level.

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        • Americas Team
          MVP
          • Jun 2016
          • 1282

          #5
          Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

          Deliver on everything they said in the Next Level link below is a good start. And not half done, it needs to be very well done.

          Xbox Series X: KILLMUNGER

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          • IlluminatusUIUC
            MVP
            • Jan 2010
            • 2671

            #6
            Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

            Weather. Rain and snow are basically small graphic overlays on the field and an occasional slipping animation. If you look at what games like Red Dead Redemption 2 have done with weather effects, it is truly staggering. I know that the league is generally moving indoors, but still.
            Bills, Sabres, Illini, Cubs, basically any team that abuses its fanbase and I'm there.

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            • Blue12
              Rookie
              • Nov 2013
              • 178

              #7
              Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

              Something I’ve always wanted is CBS, Fox, NBC SNF, and ESPN MNF music and presentation packages. I think it could work even if they had the same commentary crew for every game. I just think it would go a long way into making every game in franchise feel unique.

              Also, I wish they would add the ability to practice in the stadium prior to the game. Maybe just offense only and field goal kicking. I just think getting to do this in a mostly empty stadium (with maybe some stuff going on in the background like cheerleaders practicing or stadium working in the stands having a meeting) would add so much immersion and be a fun way to fine tune some offensive plays prior to a game.

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              • TanDax1819
                Rookie
                • Jul 2020
                • 38

                #8
                Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

                Originally posted by Americas Team
                Deliver on everything they said in the Next Level link below is a good start. And not half done, it needs to be very well done.

                https://nextlevel.ea.com/en-us/



                I agree 100%. Since we all know this is basically a free patch for Madden 21. The VERY LEAST they could do is implement every single selling point they advertised in the "nextlevel" video. Anything less and they are doing the same old smoke and mirrors trick that they have pulled in the past. Anything LESS than what they showed is unacceptable in my book.

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                • TanDax1819
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2020
                  • 38

                  #9
                  Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

                  They are lucky to be getting a free pass with the launch of the new consoles and they do not even have a dedicated new from the ground up Madden football game. Lucky for EA the consoles are launching in the middle of an NFL season. However, Madden 22 NEEDS to FEEL and DELIVER a true Next Gen game. Every one of the traits OP spoke of in the very first post needs to be produced in Madden 22. EA has slipped by and relaxed with ZERO competition long enough, its time to step up to the plate and deliver a home run.

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                  • jrivera34
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 1296

                    #10
                    Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

                    Originally posted by TanDax1819
                    However, Madden 22 NEEDS to FEEL and DELIVER a true Next Gen game.

                    Or else what? We will still buy the game and they know it! Please 2K Sports, save the football gamer!!!!

                    Atmosphere is what will make all sports games feel like a next gen title.

                    ESPN style overlays, pre and post game shows, active sidelines...just look at NFL 2K5 from 15 years ago!

                    Live jump in to games...see Madden from Sega genesis, what is that like 30-35 years ago.

                    Better looking gang tackles...again see NFL 2k5 or APF 2k8.

                    Dare I say a national anthem with planes flying over.

                    Custom stadium music...see MLB the Show.

                    Custom teams ... see NBA 2k.

                    Lastly, stop blaming the hardware as most of these things have existed in the past!


                    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

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                    • secondsolution
                      Pro
                      • May 2012
                      • 541

                      #11
                      Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

                      Originally posted by jrivera34
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                      Lastly, stop blaming the hardware as most of these things have existed in the past!


                      Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
                      Lol I remember them saying that the CPUs weren't strong enough to get the AI to the point they want. Well now they will have two of the most powerful consoles ever at their disposal.

                      I'm hoping we see the innovation that they apparently wowed the NFL with when they renewed the contract. It definitely isn't part of the current gen offerings.

                      As someone said previously, I'd be happy with them effectively integrating their promises from the Next Level page and also having a couple of areas of gameplay rebuilt to take full advantage of the consoles (I.e. overall AI awareness, oline and dline play). Eric Rayweather has said on a few occasions he has heard it's not a direct port so there is a chance.

                      I would love for them to surprise us with:
                      - a new mode similar to My league (chance is basically 0%),
                      - An actual injury system with player wear and tear
                      - completely rebuilt gameplay
                      - better player running animations. No longer the stiff "I've just poo'd my pants" running that they have at the moment

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                      • speedkills
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 1389

                        #12
                        Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

                        Literally FEEL next gen with the haptic feedback of PS5's DualSense controller.

                        There's so much potential there.

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                        • Dagan
                          Pro
                          • Jun 2020
                          • 622

                          #13
                          Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

                          Physics. It's beyond possible because I play 2d games at the physicsgames website a ton. They are the simplest things, but they absolutely rely on coded physics with seemingly infinite options of how things can result. Go and play a game like cubium or blosics and try to tell me that physics is hard to code.
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                          • StayODD
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                            • Sep 2020
                            • 263

                            #14
                            Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

                            Originally posted by Blue12
                            Something I’ve always wanted is CBS, Fox, NBC SNF, and ESPN MNF music and presentation packages. I think it could work even if they had the same commentary crew for every game. I just think it would go a long way into making every game in franchise feel unique. .
                            Great idea in concept but chances of getting licenses from the networks would be next to zero. I would for them to have a few different options for commentary though. Maybe even go the FIFA route and add "Mexican Spanish" announcers for those games played in Mexico City lol
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                            • tuckermaine
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2017
                              • 922

                              #15
                              Re: OPINION: What would make Madden 21 FEEL Next Gen?

                              Competition! Otherwise EA will give a “Crazy new gimmick again” instead of a Football Game!
                              Last edited by tuckermaine; 11-02-2020, 12:50 PM.

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