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  • DSonTL
    Banned
    • Dec 2011
    • 427

    #1

    Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

    So I’ve been researching and tinkering with schematics in real football and Madden. And I think I’ve finally found something to take to my franchise mode. If anybody is struggling or overthinking Madden defense... I can share what I’m doing. Now this is hard pressed to work with H2H and maybe even MUT due to roster and depth chart restrictions but for offline chise, and maybe some online chise that allows realistic player movement this can be for you.

    So I’m Tampa 2 guy at heart but I wanted to get more Multiple and exotic with my scheme and looks. I’ve been flirting with the 3-4 but I sucked at it and decided to go back to a 4-3.. but I wanted to find a way to create a lineup that can be in a 4-3 all the time.. base, Nickle, Dime, Empty. In created a playbook with all 4-3 base formations... over, under, odd, etc,.. I added zero nickle and dime formations. I simplified everything. Then I researched some Big 12 defenses and created a defense called “Rover”. It’s essentially an every down 4-1-6 Dime Defense (4 DL, 1 MLB, 2, DBs and 4 Safeties) within my 4-3 base defense. The keys are the OLB. Which what I do I convert oversized safeties (215+) to my OLB.. and MLB is the only pure LB of the bunch. This thing is a ton of fun. It keeps me in base all day with no worries, we just need to execute. The speed is ridiculous.... and the different blitzes, coverages and principles are a thing of beauty. I flirted with this in my Texans chise trading Watson to AZ for Murray and Simmons and converted Simmons to OLB and grabbed Jabrill Peppers and did the same .. omg... now ima start a real franchise with this gameplan and more different approach and realistic way of roster building in the modern nfl... if you guys are playing off line and want to get creative.. do some things like this to possible give you an edge by creating sub packages ALREADY built into your standard 4-3 or 3-4


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  • ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
    MVP
    • Dec 2009
    • 4682

    #2
    Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

    This sounds fun, and very effective, but I don’t find it realistic. Teams still role with traditional base personnel about 25% of the time. It’s true, most plays are run from nickel. But that’s about 55-60% of the time, and you definitely will not be seeing dime 100% of the time or even close to it. Not in the NFL anyway. Maybe this is what they’re doing in college (don’t really watch it).

    Originally posted by Therebelyell626
    I am going to create a team called "the happy town fundament rapscallions" and hurt your already diminishing image
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2049813056

    Last edited by your mom; 06-06-2006 at 6:06 PM.

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    • DSonTL
      Banned
      • Dec 2011
      • 427

      #3
      Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

      Originally posted by ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
      This sounds fun, and very effective, but I don’t find it realistic. Teams still role with traditional base personnel about 25% of the time. It’s true, most plays are run from nickel. But that’s about 55-60% of the time, and you definitely will not be seeing dime 100% of the time or even close to it. Not in the NFL anyway. Maybe this is what they’re doing in college (don’t really watch it).

      https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...-analysis-2019


      You’re misunderstanding and it’s very real. This is a built in base 4-3 that morphs into a nickle or dime depending offensive alignment




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      • ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
        MVP
        • Dec 2009
        • 4682

        #4
        Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

        Originally posted by DSonTL
        You’re misunderstanding and it’s very real. This is a built in base 4-3 that morphs into a nickle or dime depending offensive alignment




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        Not to get into a time wasting discussion, but how is it real when no NFL team plays that personnel all the time?

        If I’m misunderstanding please explain how, but if I understand it correctly, your defense is — every down — 6 defensive backs and 1 LB. If so that’s not really realistic.

        Granted, there are some college tweener defensive backs that change to linebacker when they get to the NFL, but that is because while they had elite movement skills in college, in the NFL everyone is faster, so it doesn’t translate to what’s required to play DB in the NFL. So they switch to LB. But I’ve rarely seen an NFL defensive back with several years in the backfield switch to base down linebacker. Sure, in some dime fronts you might have a strong safety in the box, but he won’t be there on first down when the offense is in 22, 21 or 12 personnel. Teams will have beefier guys up front to take on and shed blocks for the run game.


        So because of that it doesn’t seem realistic to me. Not for today’s game, anyway. Maybe in twenty years, who knows.
        Originally posted by Therebelyell626
        I am going to create a team called "the happy town fundament rapscallions" and hurt your already diminishing image
        https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2049813056

        Last edited by your mom; 06-06-2006 at 6:06 PM.

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        • ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
          MVP
          • Dec 2009
          • 4682

          #5
          Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

          That said, you could certainly call it cutting edge, since no one is doing it to this degree. Especially if it works. But if so, it would be one of those things that only work with truly special personnel, like the GSOT or Tampa Bay late 90s early 2000s defense.
          Originally posted by Therebelyell626
          I am going to create a team called "the happy town fundament rapscallions" and hurt your already diminishing image
          https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2049813056

          Last edited by your mom; 06-06-2006 at 6:06 PM.

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          • irbwilleo
            Rookie
            • Jul 2011
            • 43

            #6
            Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

            Testing this tonight

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            • xerxes313
              Rookie
              • Jun 2013
              • 102

              #7
              Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

              I already do something similar. For the past two or three years as spread has become more prevalent I will draft run support safeties and move them to linebackers. Although I just started Madden 21 next gen I'm already doing this playing with a custom 4 6 defense.

              I find strong safeties work better as they generally have higher hit power and Better Block shed

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              • DSonTL
                Banned
                • Dec 2011
                • 427

                #8
                Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

                Originally posted by irbwilleo
                Testing this tonight


                How’d it go?


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                • DSonTL
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 427

                  #9
                  Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

                  Originally posted by xerxes313
                  I already do something similar. For the past two or three years as spread has become more prevalent I will draft run support safeties and move them to linebackers. Although I just started Madden 21 next gen I'm already doing this playing with a custom 4 6 defense.



                  I find strong safeties work better as they generally have higher hit power and Better Block shed


                  This can be a very real thing!


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                  • infinite76
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 426

                    #10
                    Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

                    Originally posted by xerxes313
                    I already do something similar. For the past two or three years as spread has become more prevalent I will draft run support safeties and move them to linebackers. Although I just started Madden 21 next gen I'm already doing this playing with a custom 4 6 defense.



                    I find strong safeties work better as they generally have higher hit power and Better Block shed
                    How are you customizing your 46? I used to do it back when you could change your player types in the scheme. It was a mix of 3-4 and 4--3 type players with a 46 playbook

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                    • ksweet6
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 20

                      #11
                      Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

                      I use a 3-4 zone with the same type of olb. Gives up a lot of yards but average giving up less than 20 points. Pass rush only matters for lineman, all linebackers need coverage and decent run stop. I put my best rusher at NT and they average 20 sacks a year.

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                      • Aestis
                        AWFL Commish
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 1041

                        #12
                        Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

                        In Madden this is quite effective because player size & strength and run concepts in general are so poorly executed, enabling you to run these hyper-undersized lineups and not get punished like you would in the NFL.

                        But it's not new. Guys running 100% dime packages in Madden has been around for years in H2H games. EA has tried their best to combat these undersized packages with pancake 'rules' etc. but in the end people still do it, because it works in the video game.
                        Last edited by Aestis; 05-05-2021, 03:00 PM.
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                        • Philosopher0
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                          • Apr 2014
                          • 67

                          #13
                          Re: Modernizing the Base Defense in Madden

                          So Miami 4-3... jimmy Johnson did this exact thing in the 80s

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