MLB The Show 21 Quick Q&A Video - March to October & Franchise Mode

[BrianMcNulty11]

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It was a three minute Q/A video lol. I'll wait to complain if Thursday reveal is a bust.


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[countryboy]

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When I ask this question, I'm being 100% genuine. I'm not trying to be snarky at all. What in the world is a gameplay driven franchise versus a menu driven franchise? When I read that, all I picture is a franchise mode that's just tacked onto a game that had good gameplay, which is The Show at the moment. I'm sure you mean more than simply that, that's why I'm asking for a little clarity as to what you mean by gameplay driven.

I personally feel that making trades, doing the draft, signing free agents, and all of that GM related stuff is all gameplay as well, but I don't get the sense that is what you mean when you say gameplay since you also reference menu driven and that is where I'd assume you would put those kind of things.

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Since I agree with Josh's thought (providing I'm right in what he means)…..

The Show is a gameplay driven franchise where the goal of the mode is for you to play out your GM decisions (trades, drafts, signings, etc...) on the field versus that of micro-managing your roster/organization in menus (ex: OOTP text based game)

Of course all us diehard franchise/baseball nuts would love to have the depth of OOTP off the field coupled with the gameplay on the field in MLBTS, but I don't foresee that ever happening, because well that's not in a sense not feasible because the game has to "cater" (lack of better word at the moment) to a vast array of different people within its community/fan base (RTTS, DD, Online, etc...)

That's not to say that the franchise mode isn't growing long in the tooth, nor that they shouldn't strive to continuously add more and more depth, but at the end of the day, one expecting the level of depth of OOTP inside MLBTS is going to always be disappointed, in my humble opinion of course.

[canes21]

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I agree that it doesn't mean that the team can't strive for franchise to be better. I'm all for them making it better, and I do believe they try to adjust things year in and year out. I was speaking mainly about people wanting The Show to be OOTP. And you mentioned that Madden has an owner mode, even though it's nothing to write home about. But in your words, "at least it's in". Do you know what alot of people in this community would do if SDS added a bare bones owner mode just so that "it's in the game"? They would get so much flack bc it'd be unpolished and bare bones. I don't want a new mode in a game just so that it's there. That wouldn't make much sense.

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When I say look at OOTP when making a wishlist, that's basically me saying SCEA doesn't even need to reinvent the wheel or try and be creative. When people say that franchise mode lacks depth, they don't need to brainstorm to figure out how to fix it, they simply need to look at what OOTP offers and implement what they feel would translate over from that game.

While I would be head over heels in love with SCEA taking OOTP and making that their franchise mode, I know it isn't happening. That doesn't mean that game shouldn't be referenced continuously whenever ideas for franchise mode are talked about. That game literally is the mecca when it comes to franchise modes and it is perfectly reasonable to point to it and say The Show needs this or that from the game.

We are clearly not going to get every year of baseball history as a playable beginning in franchise mode like OOTP offers, but why shouldn't we say The Show needs international free agency and a more robust coaching system like OOTP offers? We won't get the numerous playable foreign leagues OOTP offers, but I should be able to point out the different customization setting OOTP has surrounding progression, regression, trading, player values, etc. and say The Show would benefit from implementing those types of options.

It is unrealistic to ask for the entirety of OOTP to be added to The Show. That's true. It's not crazy, unrealistic, illogical, etc. to look at what features OOTP offers in a modern day MLB franchise save and say that The Show should be implementing the majority of those features. Just because The Show has gameplay on the field you can interact with does not excuse it for lacking so many basic things. I should be able to send cash over in a trade like OOTP. That's a very very very common thing that happens in baseball that SCEA has never tried to replicate.

The morale/chemistry system The Show has is very basic and done poorly. We should be able to say look how OOTP handles it, strive for something similar. Too often people excuse The Show because it has on field gameplay as if that somehow makes it impossible for them to add all of the "menu driven" things OOTP offers. That's not how this works. The Show is not built in some unique way that makes it impossible to have the depth OOTP has. It's simply a design choice and people are only asking that SCEA change their approach some and show Franchise mode some true love by bringing over ideas from OOTP because that game is the king of kings with regards to franchise modes.

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[Archie56]

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When I say look at OOTP when making a wishlist, that's basically me saying SCEA doesn't even need to reinvent the wheel or try and be creative. When people say that franchise mode lacks depth, they don't need to brainstorm to figure out how to fix it, they simply need to look at what OOTP offers and implement what they feel would translate over from that game.

While I would be head over heels in love with SCEA taking OOTP and making that their franchise mode, I know it isn't happening. That doesn't mean that game shouldn't be referenced continuously whenever ideas for franchise mode are talked about. That game literally is the mecca when it comes to franchise modes and it is perfectly reasonable to point to it and say The Show needs this or that from the game.

We are clearly not going to get every year of baseball history as a playable beginning in franchise mode like OOTP offers, but why shouldn't we say The Show needs international free agency and a more robust coaching system like OOTP offers? We won't get the numerous playable foreign leagues OOTP offers, but I should be able to point out the different customization setting OOTP has surrounding progression, regression, trading, player values, etc. and say The Show would benefit from implementing those types of options.

It is unrealistic to ask for the entirety of OOTP to be added to The Show. That's true. It's not crazy, unrealistic, illogical, etc. to look at what features OOTP offers in a modern day MLB franchise save and say that The Show should be implementing the majority of those features. Just because The Show has gameplay on the field you can interact with does not excuse it for lacking so many basic things. I should be able to send cash over in a trade like OOTP. That's a very very very common thing that happens in baseball that SCEA has never tried to replicate.

The morale/chemistry system The Show has is very basic and done poorly. We should be able to say look how OOTP handles it, strive for something similar. Too often people excuse The Show because it has on field gameplay as if that somehow makes it impossible for them to add all of the "menu driven" things OOTP offers. That's not how this works. The Show is not built in some unique way that makes it impossible to have the depth OOTP has. It's simply a design choice and people are only asking that SCEA change their approach some and show Franchise mode some true love by bringing over ideas from OOTP because that game is the king of kings with regards to franchise modes.

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I agree with you that they can look at OOTP as a source and try to implement certain things and see what would work and what wouldn't work. Even though some people can get crazy here on OS, conversations like this is why I keep coming back. We're just a couple passionate baseball fans throwing ideas and thoughts back and forth. We may not always agree with certain directions the game should go, but that's okay!

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[canes21]

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Since I agree with Josh's thought (providing I'm right in what he means)…..



The Show is a gameplay driven franchise where the goal of the mode is for you to play out your GM decisions (trades, drafts, signings, etc...) on the field versus that of micro-managing your roster/organization in menus (ex: OOTP text based game)



Of course all us diehard franchise/baseball nuts would love to have the depth of OOTP off the field coupled with the gameplay on the field in MLBTS, but I don't foresee that ever happening, because well that's not in a sense not feasible because the game has to "cater" (lack of better word at the moment) to a vast array of different people within its community/fan base (RTTS, DD, Online, etc...)



That's not to say that the franchise mode isn't growing long in the tooth, nor that they shouldn't strive to continuously add more and more depth, but at the end of the day, one expecting the level of depth of OOTP inside MLBTS is going to always be disappointed, in my humble opinion of course.

My reply above to another post is very relative to this post, but to respond directly to this, the idea isn't that The Show needs every ounce of depth OOTP has. That's clearly not realistic, but The Show's approach to franchise mode should not restrict it from having international free agency like OOTP, trade settings like OOTP, the ability to trade cash like OOTP, and so on.

We're not saying give us the ability to play any year in baseball history, give us every single historical draft class, give us every foreign league there is, and make all of that playable in franchise mode. That would be lovely if that ever became a reality. We are saying look at how OOTP has a wear and tear system and injury histories matter, give us that type of detail in The Show. We are saying look at how we can fine tune progression and regression in OOTP. Allow us to do that in The Show.

Those are all features that would translate over fine into a non-text sim sports game. The Show has a very shallow franchise mode because it lacks a lot of features like that that would immediately give it depth and are not a part of the daunting spreadsheet simulator side of OOTP.

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[countryboy]

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My reply above to another post is very relative to this post, but to respond directly to this, the idea isn't that The Show needs every ounce of depth OOTP has. That's clearly not realistic, but The Show's approach to franchise mode should not restrict it from having international free agency like OOTP, trade settings like OOTP, the ability to trade cash like OOTP, and so on.

We're not saying give us the ability to play any year in baseball history, give us every single historical draft class, give us every foreign league there is, and make all of that playable in franchise mode. That would be lovely if that ever became a reality. We are saying look at how OOTP has a wear and tear system and injury histories matter, give us that type of detail in The Show. We are saying look at how we can fine tune progression and regression in OOTP. Allow us to do that in The Show.

Those are all features that would translate over fine into a non-text sim sports game. The Show has a very shallow franchise mode because it lacks a lot of features like that that would immediately give it depth and are not a part of the daunting spreadsheet simulator side of OOTP.

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Yeah I understand that, I was trying my best to answer your question about the term gameplay driven franchise



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[Armor and Sword]

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Looking forward to Thursday to see exactly what the improvements to AI logic entail. That was my number one want. Better AI logic both on and off the diamond.

I hope they do answer the question about when/if Y2Y will return.

Roster importing seems like a long shot if they cannot handle the budget changes. Hard to say without hearing from the developers themselves.

I am all for giving up Y2Y for a few seasons if it means they can continue to improve franchise mode on next gen. It is important to expand the rosters IMO to really unleash franchise mode to a better place in terms of AI logic, and robust scouting and drafting options with a bigger farm system at our disposal.

Let’s see what it all looks like Thursday.

[Caulfield]

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It was a three minute Q/A video lol. I'll wait to complain if Thursday reveal is a bust.

but.. but.. you can beat the rush and complain now

[BlueSkies77]

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I don’t think this message with contribute anything to the conversation here but I just wanted to throw my 2 in anyway. I think it comes down to the series roots. The game was birthed on the PS1 and was a gameplay driven game wasn’t it? This is just how the series has been designed, it was never a stats driven game so that’s why franchise has not been improved on very much. The team has been focused on delivering a better on field experience year after year.

But then again this makes the deletion of Season mode all the more confusing. I don’t know 🤷🏻*♂️

[baconbits11]

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There better be a great explanation why Y2Y saves were taken out. Budgets, expanded rosters, rotating schedules, rainout doubleheaders, expansion mode, revamped franchise would all be great reasons why. I would trade off for that. If it's just logic, then Houston, we have a problem!

Also Y2Y saves are basically a database, so with crossplay, saves should be able to go to Xbox.

[Caulfield]

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There better be a great explanation why Y2Y saves were taken out. Budgets, expanded rosters, rotating schedules, rainout doubleheaders, expansion mode, revamped franchise would all be great reasons why. I would trade off for that. If it's just logic, then Houston, we have a problem!

Also Y2Y saves are basically a database, so with crossplay, saves should be able to go to Xbox.

I'm leaning more and more everyday corona and extra work on next-gen consoles not to mention the old xbox flat-lined all the Studios time, leaving none for y2y

[Karle]

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I would like to have the ability in Franchise to alter the number of teams and the league structure, but it looks like most of the changes are to the logic. We will see what they say on Thursday.

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[Rocket32]

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I'm optimistic. Budget, trades, lineups, rotations and call up call downs were huge issues.

If they balanced budgets to reflect real salaries that would be game changing for me.


As always the devil is in the "details." I don't need fluff, give me quality changes and bug fixes that have needed to be addressed in a long time.

Budget fixes will help fix trade logic. Currently teams don't value certain players due to the salary they make being considered way too high.


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This. The less 30 team control micromanaging help the CPU needs for you to have a fun realistic franchise experience, the better. If the CPU AI can take a significant step forwards this year I’ll be ok without any flashy new features for now. I really hope those CPU lineup and rotation logic changes involve franchise mode too.

Franchise mode can definitely use new features like expanded rosters, but if they went and did some real work on under the hood stuff that’s just as if not more important then any features they could’ve added in my opinion.

I said before that without major changes to franchise 21 would only be worth buying if they made some real CPU logic improvements, and it seems there’s a decent chance they have done that. I know it’s not enough for everyone, but personally I’ll take that and stadium creator and be happy for the year.

[BigOscar]

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Honestly, my main desire for franchise has always been to actually play against the computer, instead of constantly having to help it out as it flounders around making unrealistic decision after unrealistic decision. It's exhausting the lengths you have to go to to get the mode to play even semi-ok and it really shouldn't be. It drains a lot of the fun out of it as you are constantly having to rein yourself in to stop from just completely dominating the incompetent AI.

They say they've made changes to the AI, but I guess that is quite easy to say, whether it's meaningful or positive remains to be seen. Fingers crossed, but there's not been much in the past decade to pin your hopes on when it comes to SDS and decent AI, it's not been an area of strength at all.

[baconbits11]

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I'm leaning more and more everyday corona and extra work on next-gen consoles not to mention the old xbox flat-lined all the Studios time, leaving none for y2y

Y2y was already built so that's really no excuse

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