Bullpen logic… ad nauseam

[Therebelyell626]

I know this dead horse has been beaten and beaten over and over again. But the bullpen logic seems worse this year.

I just had zack godley my long reliever come in second on my team in innings pitched at 164. I simmed the whole season controlling the roster myself for test purposes, and he was never in the rotation and never started a game.

This should not be happening

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

I know this dead horse has been beaten and beaten over and over again. But the bullpen logic seems worse this year.

I just had zack godley my long reliever come in second on my team in innings pitched at 164. I simmed the whole season controlling the roster myself for test purposes, and he was never in the rotation and never started a game.

This should not be happening

Just curious. Doesn’t Godley have the stamina of a starting pitcher? Seems when I went thru the roster before I started my franchise a lot of relief pitchers had stamina in the 70s. I lowered them all. I wonder if that makes a difference.

[forme95]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

I know this dead horse has been beaten and beaten over and over again. But the bullpen logic seems worse this year.

I just had zack godley my long reliever come in second on my team in innings pitched at 164. I simmed the whole season controlling the roster myself for test purposes, and he was never in the rotation and never started a game.

This should not be happening

Did he have any starts? Injury to Starter and he filled in any games?

[tytyboogie]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

Just curious. Doesn’t Godley have the stamina of a starting pitcher? Seems when I went thru the roster before I started my franchise a lot of relief pitchers had stamina in the 70s. I lowered them all. I wonder if that makes a difference.

Makes a huge difference. i go in and edit all of them.for every role. it wasnt touched again...same exact thing for like 7 years or so. But irs the slots that is also a huge factor. i carry 12 pitchers for all teams and make sure none of them are in the Lrp slots...and i put the pitcher that i want the cpu to use the least in setup slot #2..cuz they dont use that slot. they use mrp 1 and 2 and 3 more that way. it sucks. also the slider hook needs to be adjusted.

[Evtnj]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

What’s happening is that they are bringing in the long reliever in the 5th-7th inning for some reason in tie or close games. It’s very bizarre. The middle relievers rarely get used by the cpu manager. I can’t figure out how to fix it.

[Therebelyell626]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

Just curious. Doesn’t Godley have the stamina of a starting pitcher? Seems when I went thru the roster before I started my franchise a lot of relief pitchers had stamina in the 70s. I lowered them all. I wonder if that makes a difference.

Yes. He has stamina in the 70’s, hence while he is my long reliever. Your probably right that that is what is causing it. But this a logic issue. AI managers shouldn’t be making decisions based on stamina. Long relievers are supposed to be used when a starter gets shelled and is out by the 3rd or 4th inning. Almost like a bridge to your middle relieve or set ups. They are using long relievers in every situation

[Therebelyell626]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

What’s happening is that they are bringing in the long reliever in the 5th-7th inning for some reason in tie or close games. It’s very bizarre. The middle relievers rarely get used by the cpu manager. I can’t figure out how to fix it.

Yeah. My highest rated middle reliever, in my number one Middle Relief spot got 23 innings all year. My manager used lesser rated middle relievers all year for some reason. And it can’t be match up related because none of them are lefties. It’s weird.

Note: I carry 4 middle relievers, two set ups, a closer and one long reliever. Maybe if I drop down to 3 middle relievers instead he may use my best guy more. I’m going to keep testing

[Evtnj]

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I’m going to try with long relief spot empty. Stinks but it’s a legacy issue they don’t seem to want to fix.

[JaFFiTh]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

Yeah. My highest rated middle reliever, in my number one Middle Relief spot got 23 innings all year. My manager used lesser rated middle relievers all year for some reason. And it can’t be match up related because none of them are lefties. It’s weird.

Note: I carry 4 middle relievers, two set ups, a closer and one long reliever. Maybe if I drop down to 3 middle relievers instead he may use my best guy more. I’m going to keep testing

I've been playing around with it the last few years. Last year I tried 2 LR, 4 MR, 1 Setup, 1 CL but haven't tested that during sim season. It gets frustrating cause relievers gets over 100 GP for years then now LRP pitches way too much innings, plus over 100GP for MRP. What's next? Stamina and Hook sliders does also adjusts sim stats some.

[Baseball Purist]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

What’s happening is that they are bringing in the long reliever in the 5th-7th inning for some reason in tie or close games. It’s very bizarre. The middle relievers rarely get used by the cpu manager. I can’t figure out how to fix it.

Just had this happen in a game against the Dodgers. 1-1 and they brought in Andrew Heaney in the 6th inning. He pitched in a 1-1 game until the 10th inning despite having low energy from about the 8th inning on. The CPU did not take him out until I had 4-1 lead.

This seems to be the trend as well in my franchise with the CPU bringing in the long reliever almost every game. Does taking pitchers out of the long reliever slot fix this?

[Evtnj]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

I tried no long relievers for 4 games and it works better. Bullpen usage more varied. Had to go to 12 man staff.

[bobeureally27]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

I tried no long relievers for 4 games and it works better. Bullpen usage more varied. Had to go to 12 man staff.

But you’re doing 30-team control, right?


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[Evtnj]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

Yes I’m doing 30 team control

[bspring3]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

While not perfect, I have a method I use that helps with simmed and cpu management:

Closer-CP
SU-top RP
LRP1-2nd RP (make sure stamina is under 40)
LRP2-3rd RP (make sure stamina is under 40)
MRP1-4th RP
MRP2-5th RP
MRP3-6th RP
MRP4-my long reliever

Using this method, the cpu brings in the top RP in those one run and tie games and with the lower stamina generally pull them after 1-2 innings. I have seen the RP in those slots end the season with about 80 innings which may still high but not crazy.

And the long reliever generally pitches less games but gets more innings due to a higher stamina, generally in mop up roles and such.


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[KnightTemplar]

Re: Bullpen logic… as nauseam

Have just gone back to 12 pitchers, no LRP, added another fielder to each team. Gonna roll with this and see what happens. Thanks for the tip. (30 team control on).