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  • drugsbunny
    Rookie
    • Apr 2015
    • 312

    #1

    No More Feelng Sorry!!

    There was a time I felt sorry for 2K for losing the NFL license. I felt it set a bad path for the future of gaming. I think I actually cried a little. So as a gamer, you can imagine my excitement when they announced All Pro Football 2K8. I was happy again - excited to have a football game that I would really sink my time into. Some of you may remember the days prior to release when they did an interview with one of the game creators and the Interviewer asked about how the franchise mode would be without NFL players. Some of you may also remember the look on the interviewers face when it was said that there would be no franchise mode due to the legend players and the focus on gameplay. People of the press usually train for years to keep a straight face while on camera, and although he did a great job of trying, his look was the same one that most of had once that fact was revealed.


    Here we are 15 years later, and the amount of football games that have surfaced since then are too many to count, whereas, the amount that are actually good, you can count on one hand. Most of the football games had decent sales based solely on the fact that it was a football game that wasn't Madden. Now some of us have gone to college and have had to endure both Micro and Macro economics. We have been drilled on the laws of supply and demand. With all that being said, you can sit here and tell me that there are actually people who sit in a board room of sorts over at 2K games, and haven't managed to realize that there is an active, and hungry audience that has a demand for a good product that they can and have supplied? They sit and put money and resources behind a Lego racing game but don't see a market for the one product that even allows their name to still even matter? 2K can drop a a cleaned up version of All Pro 2k8 with NFL 2k5's options and franchise with made up names right now, without spending a dime on advertisement, and the word of mouth would probably shut down XBOX and PS servers in less than 24 hours. If a game called, simply "2K Football 23" appeared in the digital stores tomorrow, there would be a state of emergency declared by lunch time.



    Their lack of capitalizing on what would be ground zero for sports gaming shows me their lack of business intuition and is probably the reason why the NFL parted ways. Seeing this opportunity fall by the wayside is why I can no longer feel sorry for 2K games. They should be ashamed of themselves. Doug Flutie Maximum Football, Axis Football, Backbreaker. All of these failed attempts to bring something tangible to the table should be commended for at least trying. 2K, just remember, you miss 100% of the balls you don't take a swing at.!!
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  • simbayless
    MVP
    • May 2011
    • 1894

    #2
    Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

    2k 5hinks They have a shot at the NFL license so they don't want step on the NFL toes and that's from 2k own mouth after allpro was released

    It's sad that they being in denial about this
    The community knows,the NFL knows,even EA knows they not ending that exclusive License
    That marriage locked 🔒 together and the key has been thrown

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    • Madden08PCgmr
      MVP
      • Feb 2017
      • 2386

      #3
      Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

      Head Coach 09 is the best franchise simulation, in my opinion. (its really not even close)

      Why not go that route? I think there could be an audience for that, similar to Out of the Park Baseball. Head Coach was already a solid foundation, if they could build on it the way OOTP has made additions over the years, that game could be extraordinary.

      The only thing I can respect or understand for not making a game is the cost. Flat out. It can't be easy starting from scratch. Sad to say, in this economy, maybe they just won't take the risk.

      Hard to watch, I know that much.
      You want free speech?
      Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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      • GoJags904
        Pro
        • Aug 2014
        • 767

        #4
        Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

        2k is doing something so there is always that to hope for. Until Madden rebuilds their base game and makes it more open then we are stuck in wait and see. I can't bash 2k before they even drop a new product, after suffering with Madden for so long. What could be worse.

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        • drugsbunny
          Rookie
          • Apr 2015
          • 312

          #5
          Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

          Originally posted by GoJags904
          2k is doing something so there is always that to hope for. Until Madden rebuilds their base game and makes it more open then we are stuck in wait and see. I can't bash 2k before they even drop a new product, after suffering with Madden for so long. What could be worse.

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          Everything thats be made since 2K8 has been worse. by the way Dope kicks in the opening shot of Fast Lane fam..
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          • GoJags904
            Pro
            • Aug 2014
            • 767

            #6
            Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

            Originally posted by drugsbunny
            Everything thats be made since 2K8 has been worse. by the way Dope kicks in the opening shot of Fast Lane fam..
            Thanks a million. Yea it's been rough since 2k8 and that left alot to be desired

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            • convince
              Pro
              • Jul 2005
              • 725

              #7
              Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

              There's no game coming out. There was probably a clause in the contract to cancel the contract if a game wasn't released in the first few years and they're keeping quiet to not upset their remaining fan base.
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              • tril
                MVP
                • Nov 2004
                • 2915

                #8
                Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

                ROI=Return on Investment. IF 2k thought there was a good return on investment they would have released a generic football game already.

                IN addition, a AAA developer cant afford to release a game without proper development, etc. Reputation and future potential licensing deals also have to be taken into consideration when making these decisions.

                I do agree that an APF 2k with generic rosters and franchise mode would sell today, but the market is different now, back in 08 it would have failed if they continued to make APF.

                Im all in for a new 2k football game, and I will purchase when they do decide to release a new title, until then Ill continue to play 2k4, 2k5, APF2k8 sparingly, and try out all the independent titles on the market.

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                • noplace
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 2114

                  #9
                  Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

                  Should have been more forward thinking and jumped on the opportunity to create an college football game before EA locked it up. It wouldn't have out sold Madden but it would have sold very well and been sim putting more stress on EA to improve their product and another option for gamers. In these days where gamers like to create their own teams and customize their own teams an all-pro type game would have done the same.
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                  • simbayless
                    MVP
                    • May 2011
                    • 1894

                    #10
                    Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

                    Originally posted by tril
                    ROI=Return on Investment. IF 2k thought there was a good return on investment they would have released a generic football game already.

                    IN addition, a AAA developer cant afford to release a game without proper development, etc. Reputation and future potential licensing deals also have to be taken into consideration when making these decisions.

                    I do agree that an APF 2k with generic rosters and franchise mode would sell today, but the market is different now, back in 08 it would have failed if they continued to make APF.

                    Im all in for a new 2k football game, and I will purchase when they do decide to release a new title, until then Ill continue to play 2k4, 2k5, APF2k8 sparingly, and try out all the independent titles on the market.
                    Not only it would sell today they would double their revenue with VC with little Timmy leading the way begging🙏 his mother credit card to spend vc

                    My question is is 2k heart even in this?
                    Just flirting with the NFL to change their mind in 2026
                    I know they look at the LoW numbers of NBA Playgrounds &WWE BattleGrounds and wouldn't waste money doing the same mistake with a NFL Arcade title

                    Maybe 2k in in development hell and we just saw what happened to naughty Dog told us at the last damn minute with factions being delayed or maybe scrap during the Superbowl of video games smh!
                    Man I tell these videos game companies need to be more upfront with us gamers and not have us n the dark
                    and we gamers show more patients
                    It's a two way street

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                    • kjcheezhead
                      MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 3133

                      #11
                      Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

                      Originally posted by simbayless
                      Not only it would sell today they would double their revenue with VC with little Timmy leading the way begging[emoji120] his mother credit card to spend vc



                      My question is is 2k heart even in this?

                      Just flirting with the NFL to change their mind in 2026

                      I know they look at the LoW numbers of NBA Playgrounds &WWE BattleGrounds and wouldn't waste money doing the same mistake with a NFL Arcade title



                      Maybe 2k in in development hell and we just saw what happened to naughty Dog told us at the last damn minute with factions being delayed or maybe scrap during the Superbowl of video games smh!

                      Man I tell these videos game companies need to be more upfront with us gamers and not have us n the dark

                      and we gamers show more patients

                      It's a two way street


                      How would a generic game get VC revenue? I don’t think people would fork over money for Ray Rocket or Crash Johnson or whoever they made up.

                      And these companies want franchise titles that they can build off of with multiple titles. The easiest way for sports titles to get you to buy the next years game is the roster update more than anything and generic games don’t have that to sell.

                      Without the NFL license 2k was never going to make a game. College doesn’t sell as well as people think. EA makes money off college because the game uses the same resources as madden


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                      • TarHeelPhenom
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 6707

                        #12
                        Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

                        I wish they would go the Super Mega Baseball route and I would play the heck out of it. They've added real baseball legends this year to mix in with their generic players. They have Franchise Mode, free agency and all.
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                        • Madden08PCgmr
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2017
                          • 2386

                          #13
                          Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

                          Originally posted by GoJags904
                          2k is doing something so there is always that to hope for. Until Madden rebuilds their base game and makes it more open then we are stuck in wait and see. I can't bash 2k before they even drop a new product, after suffering with Madden for so long. What could be worse
                          We've been living the worst case scenario since 2006.

                          The worst thing is, we get a glimmer of hope every once and awhile.
                          You want free speech?
                          Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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                          • zello144
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 2198

                            #14
                            Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

                            Originally posted by kjcheezhead
                            How would a generic game get VC revenue? I don’t think people would fork over money for Ray Rocket or Crash Johnson or whoever they made up.

                            And these companies want franchise titles that they can build off of with multiple titles. The easiest way for sports titles to get you to buy the next years game is the roster update more than anything and generic games don’t have that to sell.

                            Without the NFL license 2k was never going to make a game. College doesn’t sell as well as people think. EA makes money off college because the game uses the same resources as madden


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                            If they put a MyCareer mode in there that is decent with some multiplayer like NBA 2K does with park. Easy VC revenue for them.

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                            • drugsbunny
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 312

                              #15
                              Re: No More Feelng Sorry!!

                              Blitz the League 2 had a little cult following with a style of progression that made playing the game worthwhile. The only thing missing was a physics system to the play style to give it some reality. There are several directions 2K could have gone with their recipe for good gameplay that could have made a splash. Any Given Sunday had a great story line movie wise and teams had personality. A made up league with teams that had a niche to them would have sold well. In my opinion, the NFL today lacks the personality of old that even makes me care to even have a NFL game. The NFL wants to portray this clean, family fun image but the truth is, the dirty, grittiness of the old NFL is what made us love the game. Now, penalties like "hit on a defenseless receiver" and Taunting running rampant, it makes me wonder how a person like myself would even fare in todays game. I am from a generation where if you had the audacity to run a slant pass pattern in my direction, you should ask yourself, "Do I like my receiver or not"? Guys having the trainer cut his finger tip off and put it on ice so it can be sewn back on after the game have been replaced by guys missing 3 weeks of playtime for concussion protocol. I want a game that has that hard hitting brutality that made me love the sport.
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