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Old 10-19-2023, 03:03 AM   #140
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Re: Its the NBA FINALS: '96 Bulls vs '17 Warriors - Who will win a 7-game series?

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Originally Posted by ggsimmonds
You're not entirely wrong with the bolded but you're not entirely right either. The primary driving force of the rule changes were to "open the game up." To move the primacy away from lumbering bigs and towards athletic guards. Doing that you would expect to see an increase in scoring and pace 'baked in' just off common sense, run your offense thru fast athletic guards vs slow footed big bruisers, which would result in more possessions and by extension more shots? Yeah they wanted scoring to increase but it wasn't the only or primary driving force. Most of all they wanted to change how the bulk of the scoring was done.



The bolded is the only part I want to address here. Back in '98 people would have spoke of Jalen Rose the same way you speak of Gabe Vincent.



Personal style I guess lol. I rather avoid battles of hyperbole. That said my most unpopular opinion is that guys like Kyrie and even Steph would not be anywhere close to as effective in the 90s as they are today. As mentioned above the rule changes were specifically designed to allow guys like that to shine because they couldn't shine previously.

But then the inverse is equally true -- guards from back in the day don't have nearly the same skillset or deep of a bag as guards today. One example if you want to be a scoring guard today a step-back game is mandatory and thats a skill 90s guys just didn't have because the game they played didn't allow them to develop it.

Anytime people have this discussion we always kind of go back and forth on one point -- are we magically transporting Giannis as he exists now back to an earlier era or are we dropping a younger Giannis back even further and considering the option of tailoring his skillset to that era? Like I said, we tend to be wishy-washy on this front.

Finally I want to touch on the topic of Hakeem. Hakeem and Kobe are the two GOATs when it comes to footwork. No one is touching them in that category. Beyond that there are some real reasons why footwork today isn't what it use to be particularly among big men and in the post:

1. A domino effect. Rule changes put the spotlight on guards so kids eventually started idolizing and imitating those guards.

2. The downfall of the college game. Maybe downfall is a bit dramatic, but it doesn't really matter as much nowadays. I was watching Gilbert Arenas' podcast last week and they were talking about Duncan vs KG and a hypothetical scenario of them swapping teams. Gil said that the Spurs were a 50 win team before Duncan was drafted and really emphasized that a 50 win team was getting the college national player of the year. Back then guys came up after putting time in the college ranks and thats where the "big fundamental" was born. College taught guys fundamentals like footwork and how not to travel (tongue firmly in cheek) and players coming into the NBA today don't get that. Instead of spending hours with a credible and respected coach doing drills these players are spending hours working on their shot. You don't need a individualized coaching plan to improve your shot. How many guys across all eras came into the league with a wackyass shooting motion and they were left alone because it worked for them? During that podcast conversation someone asked who won player of the year last year and not one of them knew the answer to that. It was quite jarring to see in a single exchange how the prestige of college accomplishments just fell off a cliff over the past 20 years.

The fall of the college game and its impact on the NBA product could be a much larger conversation but its one few have, even though it is very much relevant in these cross era conversations
I agree with most of that. And I agree that Steph and kyrie would be mitigated with the older rules as the new rules were specifically designed to excel their styles of play. Also I’m sure kyrie would get called for traveling constantly as let’s face it, the nba really doesn’t call carrying anymore.

Guys did do step backs back then but you’d just get called on travels a lot so many didn’t do those dramatic lunges backwards cause they weren’t allowed to, as you touch on. Also guys did euro steps like Dominque and Rod, but got called for traveling.

https://youtu.be/kZyqMgbDzt8?si=RpoD-tqNvtROjBqj

I’d say that also points to those guys in yesterday’s era able to utilize those moves in their bag would make them very effective as well.

I dunno about the Jalen rose comparison. Rose was a key figure on the fab 5 and was definitely seen as a potential star. And he definitely wasn’t the 3rd highest scorer on that team like Vincent was.

And you’re right about how the rule changes affected the game. The nba states how they specifically wanted to coerce the game to be played. But I dunno about you, but when I play ball I’d WAY rather play in a format where no one can hand check me and the paint is wide open and the closest guy to it is 6’8 floor spacer. Guys like Bill Wennington might get made fun of now for being big and lumbering but the imagine trying to attack the paint on those Bulls with MJ and Pip and Rodman hand checking, bumping you while massive piece of meat Wennington is zoning the paint ready to hit you with that mass. It takes tons of skill and toughness to score on that. I’d say far more than it takes to beat a sub par defender like Steph at the perimeter who can’t touch you then attack the rim where the paint is barren and the biggest guy near it is draymond green. It’s just hard for me to call guys more skilled now simply cause their games are more saucy because the game style allows it.

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"Our current rules are designed to allow players to penetrate for high percentage shots. It's also allowed for higher quality perimeter shots as well, because of how much easier it is to penetrate today."
- Stu Jackson, VP of NBA Basketball Operations. May 3, 2007
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"WHAT THE NBA IS TRYING TO DO IS PROMOTE UNIMPEDED MOVEMENT FOR DRIBBLERS AND CUTTERS.
WITHOUR CURRENT RULES, IT'S NOW MORE DIFFICULT TO GUARD THE QUICK WING PLAYERS WHO CAN ALSO HANDLE THE BALL. BACK THEN, DEFENSES AND DEFENSIVE PLAYERS IN GENERAL, COULD USE THEIR STRENGTH TO CONTROL OFFENSIVE PLAYERS. BUT OUR NEW RULES HAVE ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE.
- ROD THORN, FORMER NBA EXEC. VP OF OPERATIONS & RULES EXPERT: "THE DEATH OF DEFENSE" BY ROLAND LAZENBY, OCT 20, 2006

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