Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

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  • tgreer
    Pro
    • Mar 2005
    • 565

    #1

    Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

    Hey guys, some of you know that I am an avid MoM player for many years. The first thing I have done over the last 5 years is start up a "trial" Franchise to see how the game runs. I do this with no simming, no quick counts etc, just put the controller in the middle and let the game play out. I believe this is what the developers would have to do to get the game where they want it when they start adjusting things. I do this the same way as a former poster on here (Nomo) did it.

    I do this so once I start my MoM franchise the results on the field should be as close to the real game as possible. Over the first 4 years and close to 900 games ran I have found two similar things each year that need "work". That is the lack of Errors and the lack of SB. Therefore my first trial the only settings I adjust are I set all 4 error sliders to 8 and SB Freq/SB Ability to 8. I have found this helps a little (more on this later)

    Here are the results per team per game: 2024 54 games ran/2023 237 games ran (this is enough to see the differences)

    REAL MLB 2023/2024 SHOW/2023 SHOW

    AB 33.83/34.26/33.67

    R 4.62/4.67/4.79

    E 0.52/0.46/0.40

    2B 1.69/1.67/1.90

    3B 0.15/0.07/0.15

    HR 1.21/1.21/0.96

    BB 3.25/2.56/4.25

    K 8.61/8.74/8.87

    SB 0.72/0.34/0.41

    CS 0.18/0.19/0.19

    DP 0.72/0.95/0.91

    HBP 0.43/0.29/0.62

    AVG .248/.256/.251

    OBP .320/.313/.346

    ERA 4.33/4.44/4.58

    WHIP 1.32/1.27/1.43

    Some takeaways and notes: Last year there was way too many walks and HBP leading to high OBP, high ERA, and high WHIP. Those have all been toned way down which is great, but walks may be a little low. But I prefer a little low compared to 2 full walks per game too high so I like what they have done here.

    Extra base hits have been dang near perfect this year. Batting average is slightly high but there were two slugfests similar to the LA/SD game this AM that had over 30 hits so I am not worried about that as I think that will be good with more games played. One thing I have not been able to pinpoint over the years is SB. I was hoping the game would adjust to the new rules and bigger bases in the real MLB but it is still way too low in the game (0.90 attempts MLB to 0.53 in game) This is hopefully something they adjust before next year as I don't think sliders will do the trick. Work in progress
    Errors 8 across the board is still the closest we can get to real life

    If you really look at these numbers I gotta say these guys put out an amazing game of baseball so similar to real life! It is impressive. NOW PLEASE FIX the camera issue in MOM so we can play Broadcast Cam as we always have

    Just thought I would share these number guys

    I forgot the coolest and most impressive stat of them all. If the total of the 291 games from above the last two years had the Over/Under set at 9. It would result in 133 Overs/131 Unders/27 Ties (Just shows the amazing variety we get)
    Last edited by tgreer; 03-21-2024, 12:34 PM.
  • Therebelyell626
    MVP
    • Mar 2018
    • 2876

    #2
    Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

    This is really great info. Thanks for sharing

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    • damion2721
      Rookie
      • Mar 2013
      • 318

      #3
      Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

      Well done! Thanks man!

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      • Ninjoid
        MVP
        • Jan 2003
        • 2101

        #4
        Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

        Great work as usual TG.

        Just to check that's using default sliders and roster?

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        Dedicated member of the CPU v CPU worldwide brethren.

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        • tgreer
          Pro
          • Mar 2005
          • 565

          #5
          Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

          Originally posted by Ninjoid
          Great work as usual TG.

          Just to check that's using default sliders and roster?

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          Thanks Ninjoid, hope all is well!

          Default Rosters

          All default sliders except these:

          (I try to use all Default as I don't like messing with anything unless it is very out of whack and the E and SB numbers have not been close for several years without a little slider help unfortunately.)

          The 4 error sliders to 8, SB Freq and SB Ability to 8 are the only ones that i moved to make things closer to reality. So technically 6 that are not default.

          That is how i ended last years testing so I started with it again this year to see the changes. As you can see Errors are ok at 8 but still a long way to go to get the SB numbers where we want em. Don't think they made any under the hood changes like I thought they might to enhance the run game and the new rule changes. Afraid that will have to come from them as far as adjusting player ratings etc for SB to get close to the real number
          Last edited by tgreer; 03-21-2024, 02:43 PM.

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          • shawn306
            Rookie
            • Apr 2016
            • 115

            #6
            Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

            I don't think the game really knows what an error is and what isn't so I think moving the sliders around there to get the numbers right just would not work for me.

            Great stuff though.

            The last 3 years I have basically gone with bumping up the contact to 6 and leaving pretty much everything else at default except for the trade slider which starts at 1 in April and moves up 1 notch each month till the last two weeks leading up to the trading deadline where I kick it up to 5. Anything higher than that you start seeing guys like Vlad and Trout getting moved.

            And yes PLEASE dev's fix the camera in MOM. It is the only way I play the game !!!!

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            • tgreer
              Pro
              • Mar 2005
              • 565

              #7
              Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

              Originally posted by shawn306
              I don't think the game really knows what an error is and what isn't so I think moving the sliders around there to get the numbers right just would not work for me.

              Great stuff though.

              The last 3 years I have basically gone with bumping up the contact to 6 and leaving pretty much everything else at default except for the trade slider which starts at 1 in April and moves up 1 notch each month till the last two weeks leading up to the trading deadline where I kick it up to 5. Anything higher than that you start seeing guys like Vlad and Trout getting moved.

              And yes PLEASE dev's fix the camera in MOM. It is the only way I play the game !!!!
              You are correct on the errors, I have caught several that they scored incorrectly, so it does make it tough. What you will get though is a few more bobbles and errant throws though that are more in line to real MLB. I am very against slider movement but for Errors I feel like this is just adding a little bit more to get the numbers in line.

              Once I heard about the Broadcast Cam bug, i took a break from testing and went in to see what it was about since all i play is Broadcast MoM and tried a couple innings playing with the Backstop glitch Cam. It wasn't anything near what I am used to as I like seeing the pitch movement etc from the Broadcast Cam to know if my pitcher is hitting his spots that day or not. It makes a HUGE difference in managing strategy! I'm not sure I would enjoy that camera if they do not fix it. If you haven't sent in a bug report I would go do it!
              Last edited by tgreer; 03-21-2024, 03:26 PM.

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              • 0blong00
                Rookie
                • Apr 2021
                • 193

                #8
                Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

                Really cool info. Thanks for sharing! Have you done any comparisons looking at played vs sim games?

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                • tgreer
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 565

                  #9
                  Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

                  Originally posted by 0blong00
                  Really cool info. Thanks for sharing! Have you done any comparisons looking at played vs sim games?
                  I have not tracked the Sim games. I used to try and run all games in my MoM franchise CPU vs CPU that were not the team I was managing. I found it to be a pretty tough task. I would have to run 10 games + between my games to get to my team that I was wanting to manage and enjoy the game. So I decided to just Sim the games I was not managing and deal with the Sim stats in my franchise

                  But I would be curious the difference in the CPU vs CPU played out games and the Simmed games. May check that out sometime

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                  • Ninjoid
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2101

                    #10
                    Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

                    Originally posted by tgreer
                    I have not tracked the Sim games. I used to try and run all games in my MoM franchise CPU vs CPU that were not the team I was managing. I found it to be a pretty tough task. I would have to run 10 games + between my games to get to my team that I was wanting to manage and enjoy the game. So I decided to just Sim the games I was not managing and deal with the Sim stats in my franchise

                    But I would be curious the difference in the CPU vs CPU played out games and the Simmed games. May check that out sometime
                    Simmed games suffer from too many completed games for the SP. It was the same in 23 and looks like the engine hasn't been tweaked to improve this in 24.

                    I'm still experimenting with slider tweaks for simmed games only but SP stamina needs to decrease and manager hook increase to get reasonably realistic CG stats.
                    Dedicated member of the CPU v CPU worldwide brethren.

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                    • DudeManE
                      Rookie
                      • May 2014
                      • 34

                      #11
                      Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

                      Great info. Thanks. I’ve been meaning to this for the simmed games but haven’t gotten around to it.

                      You can add DP’s as an issue. Too many of those.

                      Have you tracked hard hits? It’s not perfect in that the game misses anything below 96 but I’d be curious to see what you’re getting.

                      I have trouble hitting above 22% (not counting the 95’s) and I’m using 555 with 8 in solid hits to try get more.


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                      • knip
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 19

                        #12
                        Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

                        Just a side note. In RTTS, I’ve seen pitchers with more Games Started than Games Pitched. Also, I and my male teammates have been referred to as “her/she” a lot. Ha!


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                        • tgreer
                          Pro
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 565

                          #13
                          Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

                          Originally posted by DudeManE
                          Great info. Thanks. I’ve been meaning to this for the simmed games but haven’t gotten around to it.

                          You can add DP’s as an issue. Too many of those.

                          Have you tracked hard hits? It’s not perfect in that the game misses anything below 96 but I’d be curious to see what you’re getting.

                          I have trouble hitting above 22% (not counting the 95’s) and I’m using 555 with 8 in solid hits to try get more.


                          Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
                          I have not tracked hard hit balls. I agree DP have always been a little high in the Show

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                          • TripleCrown
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 1237

                            #14
                            Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

                            Originally posted by tgreer
                            I have not tracked hard hit balls. I agree DP have always been a little high in the Show
                            I find infielders arms too strong in the show. Did a lot of testing in Practice mode and found out 3 is a sweet spot for me. I see lot of DP but a bunch of missed ones too.

                            Maybe give it a try to see. Probably won’t change anything for simmed games though.

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                            • ChaseB
                              #BringBackFaceuary
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 9838

                              #15
                              Re: Stat Based differences between The Show '23 and the Show '24

                              Peeps overall happy with the simulated stats in Show this year?
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