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  • solmon
    Pro
    • Aug 2010
    • 890

    #1

    Instant Commits?

    Does anyone know if instant commits are in? This would obviously be a verbal where you have to retain them to NSD, but I hope especially for big schools it’s still a thing.
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  • sin44
    Rookie
    • Jun 2009
    • 125

    #2
    Re: Instant Commits?

    I'm wondering this too. It was in NCAA 14. Hopefully they didn't take this out.

    Would also be great if there were instant commit soft verbals and instant commit hard verbals

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    • Hooe
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2002
      • 21555

      #3
      Re: Instant Commits?

      Originally posted by sin44
      I'm wondering this too. It was in NCAA 14. Hopefully they didn't take this out.

      Would also be great if there were instant commit soft verbals and instant commit hard verbals
      I know people are going to be frustrated to hear this, but nothing was "taken out" of EA Sports College Football 25. It's the first game in a new series. Nothing from NCAA Football 14 was brought over because it wasn't possible.

      If something from NCAA Football 14 is missing, that's because it did not exist in a form which could be used on the new consoles, and EA Sports did not build out a new version.

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      • tessl
        All Star
        • Apr 2007
        • 5685

        #4
        Re: Instant Commits?

        Originally posted by CM Hooe
        I know people are going to be frustrated to hear this, but nothing was "taken out" of EA Sports College Football 25. It's the first game in a new series. Nothing from NCAA Football 14 was brought over because it wasn't possible.

        If something from NCAA Football 14 is missing, that's because it did not exist in a form which could be used on the new consoles, and EA Sports did not build out a new version.
        A lot from 14 is in this game. It's a major upgrade but I see some of 14 in this game. Recruiting board is 35 players. Player motivations are similar. Player attributes are the same. Much has been added but there is 14 in this game.

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        • Hooe
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2002
          • 21555

          #5
          Re: Instant Commits?

          Originally posted by tessl
          A lot from 14 is in this game. It's a major upgrade but I see some of 14 in this game. Recruiting board is 35 players. Player motivations are similar. Player attributes are the same. Much has been added but there is 14 in this game.
          At a design level, you are most certainly correct.

          However, I'm talking about the game at a code level. I assume nearly all of the eleven-year-old old code base which powered NCAA Football 14 on consoles which originally released in the mid-2000s was entirely unusable for this new game.

          For example, the PS3's CPU didn't even run x86, it was its own custom architecture. Sony didn't adopt x86 for the computing cores of their consoles until the PS4 was released. That's a significant difference in hardware with major engineering implications.

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          • TBBucs_24
            Rookie
            • Jul 2024
            • 51

            #6
            Re: Instant Commits?

            I would personally pull the "wait and see" approach here. I'm not so sure every feature is included; after all, they don't have to KEEP all features in CFB 25. And let's hope they don't keep Instant Commits if it works the way it did in NCAA 14. Not so much because it's not realistic from a real-life standpoint, but more because a low level coach had no chance at getting an Instant Commit, while half or more of the CPU could right way. I even seen the CPU do it if I lowered Levels to even at like 10 for all HC's.

            While I'm at it, the worst feature that needs to be gone is Locksmith. That better be gone. I can say how many 100's of players I lost over 9~ years of playing '14 that made no sense. You are 1500 points up as Blue Blood program, only for a Ball State to use a Locksmith, gain most the points, have an Official Visit scheduled, then goes to Ball State. Then you double check the players top 3 interests and he had Program Prestige, Most; Championship Contender, Very High; and Pro Potential, High. Ball State would be a C or lower in all...lol Get that thing gone because it sucked.

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            • fballturkey
              MVP
              • Jul 2011
              • 2370

              #7
              Re: Instant Commits?

              Instant Commit was more a decision than a feature. I’m actually fine with it not being in because I’m not sure how realistic it is anymore. I think most players want to wait and see what other schools have to say now before signing somewhere. It felt gamey at the time and would worse now.

              And agreed on lock pick. If it’s in the game it’s an absolute must have, and absolute must have perks are inherently bad if you want people to do varied play styles.
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              • nickfa83
                Rookie
                • Feb 2007
                • 86

                #8
                Re: Instant Commits?

                Originally posted by fballturkey
                Instant Commit was more a decision than a feature. I’m actually fine with it not being in because I’m not sure how realistic it is anymore. I think most players want to wait and see what other schools have to say now before signing somewhere. It felt gamey at the time and would worse now.

                And agreed on lock pick. If it’s in the game it’s an absolute must have, and absolute must have perks are inherently bad if you want people to do varied play styles.
                I really hope instant commitment is still in the recruiting process. It will be a bit different now that it's going to be a verbal and you'll still have to maintain above the players deal-breaker in order to get that LOI. It is still very much realistic in todays recruiting. Take a look at the 2025-2026 recruiting rankings. You have a handful of players with a verbal commitment.
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                • Dawgfan1
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 1202

                  #9
                  Re: Instant Commits?

                  Originally posted by CM Hooe
                  At a design level, you are most certainly correct.

                  However, I'm talking about the game at a code level. I assume nearly all of the eleven-year-old old code base which powered NCAA Football 14 on consoles which originally released in the mid-2000s was entirely unusable for this new game.

                  For example, the PS3's CPU didn't even run x86, it was its own custom architecture. Sony didn't adopt x86 for the computing cores of their consoles until the PS4 was released. That's a significant difference in hardware with major engineering implications.
                  To further your point, here is a dev interview article from May that mentions the little amount of code from NCAA 14 that they could use for CFB25:

                  https://readwrite.com/college-footba...ack-ea-sports/

                  "But the old work has indeed proven useful. College Football 25 code, and visuals, are all rebuilt from scratch — there’s no way assets from two console generations ago would be serviceable on the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X. But concepts, spreadsheets, and some methodologies from the old game were still able to give developers, if not a head start, at least a nudge off the line to building the kind of game they could only dream of when it was canceled a decade ago.

                  'There was code that was helpful, but nothing was copy-and-paste,' McLeod said. 'We knew we would have to rebuild. But I know we had a lot of systems in Dynasty [mode] that we knew what the logic needed to be. So we’re almost getting a head start and a jump start at some of our designs, which was extremely exciting. And then we brought in some ringers, like [programming engineer] Felix Rivero, who had worked on Dynasty in the past, and they were able to, without missing a beat, go and code that into the new codebase, in the new engine, but using a lot of that same logic that we had in the past.'"

                  Anything in CFB25 that resembles NCAA 14 is just that - rebuilt to be similar to NCAA 14, instead of the code for it being brought straight from NCAA 14.
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                  • TBBucs_24
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2024
                    • 51

                    #10
                    Re: Instant Commits?

                    Originally posted by fballturkey
                    Instant Commit was more a decision than a feature. I’m actually fine with it not being in because I’m not sure how realistic it is anymore. I think most players want to wait and see what other schools have to say now before signing somewhere. It felt gamey at the time and would worse now.

                    And agreed on lock pick. If it’s in the game it’s an absolute must have, and absolute must have perks are inherently bad if you want people to do varied play styles.
                    I would recommend going back and playing several seasons of dynasty from NCAA 14. It was no decision, definitely a feature on Coaching Tree levels. If you offered a scholarship and had a maxed out skill tree for Recruiting, the player would just sign with no other effort put in. Literally right at the start of your recruiting season a bunch would sign after Week 1. CPU did the same but could do so even if levels were lowered to where all coaches were a level 10. That would have been impossible to have that tree maxed out if everyone was level 10. I didn't like it.

                    I agree it does happen in real life and should be somehow involved, but didn't care for how '14 did it. ALL coaches on ALL 134 teams need to have that instant commit access EVERY season if it's in this game.

                    And again, Locksmith better be gone. That was heavily flawed and not realistic.

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                    • fballturkey
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 2370

                      #11
                      Re: Instant Commits?

                      Originally posted by TBBucs_24
                      I would recommend going back and playing several seasons of dynasty from NCAA 14. It was no decision, definitely a feature on Coaching Tree levels. If you offered a scholarship and had a maxed out skill tree for Recruiting, the player would just sign with no other effort put in. Literally right at the start of your recruiting season a bunch would sign after Week 1. CPU did the same but could do so even if levels were lowered to where all coaches were a level 10. That would have been impossible to have that tree maxed out if everyone was level 10. I didn't like it.

                      I agree it does happen in real life and should be somehow involved, but didn't care for how '14 did it. ALL coaches on ALL 134 teams need to have that instant commit access EVERY season if it's in this game.

                      And again, Locksmith better be gone. That was heavily flawed and not realistic.
                      We’re agreeing here.
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                      • Ghost Of The Year
                        T Bone
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 6393

                        #12
                        Re: Instant Commits?

                        I would be surprised if there weren't instant commits. Suppose I'm Michigan or Ohio State and I offer a one star in-state recruit a full ride, he isn't instantly in? If not, no big deal, not even a minor one for me, but I'd still be surprised if instant commits aren't a thing.
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                        • TBBucs_24
                          Rookie
                          • Jul 2024
                          • 51

                          #13
                          Re: Instant Commits?

                          Originally posted by Ghost Of The Year
                          I would be surprised if there weren't instant commits. Suppose I'm Michigan or Ohio State and I offer a one star in-state recruit a full ride, he isn't instantly in? If not, no big deal, not even a minor one for me, but I'd still be surprised if instant commits aren't a thing.
                          Even though I can tell you're half kidding, 1 stars have no place in the game. I never did like that. give me extra 3 and 2 stars and have 1's called NR( not ranked) or something like that and most be walk-ons if this has to be a thing. And even then, the walk-ons should be to the caliber of your program and not 40-50 OVR.

                          As for the Instant commits, I'm down with it, as I said, so long as it's not loosely tied like in NCAA 2014. All schools have a small chance to sign players soon as starting a dynasty. I'm okay with the big dogs getting a few more and sooner, but that level 5 coach or small school coach needs a chance too.

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                          • Ghost Of The Year
                            T Bone
                            • Mar 2014
                            • 6393

                            #14
                            Re: Instant Commits?

                            Originally posted by TBBucs_24
                            Even though I can tell you're half kidding, 1 stars have no place in the game. I never did like that. give me extra 3 and 2 stars and have 1's called NR( not ranked) or something like that and most be walk-ons if this has to be a thing. And even then, the walk-ons should be to the caliber of your program and not 40-50 OVR.

                            As for the Instant commits, I'm down with it, as I said, so long as it's not loosely tied like in NCAA 2014. All schools have a small chance to sign players soon as starting a dynasty. I'm okay with the big dogs getting a few more and sooner, but that level 5 coach or small school coach needs a chance too.
                            Yeah, then replace my offering a one star with offering a two-star. Even they should be instant commits at established football factories like the Ohio State and Michigan.
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                            • TBBucs_24
                              Rookie
                              • Jul 2024
                              • 51

                              #15
                              Re: Instant Commits?

                              Originally posted by Ghost Of The Year
                              Yeah, then replace my offering a one star with offering a two-star. Even they should be instant commits at established football factories like the Ohio State and Michigan.
                              I mean it's a game and that's part of the fun for everyone to enjoy, but why would you want to be OSU or MICH and offer 1 or 2 stars? I enjoy finding gems and all but unless I am sabotaging those schools, I'll pass on that plan.

                              Again, no harm intended towards what you do, just more of a curious deal.

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