Auto-Subs - What Works?

[Hooe]

Forgive me if this is common knowledge, it's been a while since I've taken a trip down the EA Sports sliders rabbit hole.

I was playing a game against an FCS team last night and wanted to have the game rotate my players automatically for me during the game. Within Dynasty, I increased all the auto-subs sliders +10 from their default values before I started my game. During the game, I honestly didn't see any substitutions at all. This despite the FCS team sustaining some drives running flexbone triple option and some timely QB scrambles; I was in 4-4 nearly the entire game on defense.

How much do I need to increase the auto-subs sliders to see any effects here? Assume a default value on all other sliders, currently playing on All American difficulty.

[canes21]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

My current setup that's a total WIP and is just copied over from what I used in Madden is:

QB 0/1
RB 85/92
WR 80/87
FB/TE 75/82
OL 0/1

DT 85/92
DE 85/92
LB 75/82
CB 75/82
S 75/82

But note that I also play with fatigue at 72 right now, so my player tire faster, but I am getting rotation at all the positions I want at frequencies around where I want.

[NCAAFBall00]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

My current setup that's a total WIP and is just copied over from what I used in Madden is:

QB 0/1
RB 85/92
WR 80/87
FB/TE 75/82
OL 0/1

DT 85/92
DE 85/92
LB 75/82
CB 75/82
S 75/82

But note that I also play with fatigue at 72 right now, so my player tire faster, but I am getting rotation at all the positions I want at frequencies around where I want.

I tried to use these... i think people should know left side it out and right side is in because if you put HB Subs in at 85 max you can go for out is 84

[jdb7623]

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Does the wear and tear feature cause the AI to sub at all?

[Playmakers]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

My initial thoughts after a few days of testing is this game seems to have a carry over issue from madden when it comes to auto subs.

I've had to increase fatigue up to 70 so far....

Problem is if mess up on the auto sub settings you start to lose guys in the 2nd half for the remainder of the games.

So I'm going through most rosters this week and looking at players stamina ratings to help me with auto sub settings

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

Gentlemen, this has been a unicorn we’ve been chasing for over a decade. The last time auto subs work properly in an EA football game was madden 16 and madden 12 it’s been fubar ever since.

If you guys are able to come up with a set of auto subs, I will sing your graces up and down and sideways. Good luck. And God bless you and our troops.

[studbucket]

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Wanted to bump this - anyone have auto sub and fatigue settings they are happy with?

[LowerWolf]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

At least in Madden, 75/80 has worked pretty well for me with fatigue at 100 on Competitive game style.

So I'm starting with 75/80 with fatigue at the default 50 in CF25. Haven't played enough to see how well it works.

[cch99]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

I swear I remember reading they said they fixed auto subs. Like I said before it’s like Money in the Bank in WWE 2k. They keep saying they fix it but it’s either never fixed right or they just don’t tell us how it works.

Part of the problem is also they don’t have manuals anymore so you never know what 1/2 this stuff does.

All these icons and whatnot. No clue what they do or what they mean. Rather go back to the old days of those novel like instruction manuals. At least you knew what stuff was supposed to do.

If it’s not fixed it’s a big disappointment.


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[BungerHenry]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

Where do you adjust Auto Subs in Dynasty? It looks like Auto Subs are set outside the Dynasty menus and then you have to enter the Dynasty. Do the Auto Sub settings carry over into the Dynasty?

[D Tom]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

Where do you adjust Auto Subs in Dynasty? It looks like Auto Subs are set outside the Dynasty menus and then you have to enter the Dynasty. Do the Auto Sub settings carry over into the Dynasty?

it does not become available until either the first week you have a game or week zero (I don't know which). It's in the team section when it's available.

[Hooe]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

I swear I remember reading they said they fixed auto subs. Like I said before it’s like Money in the Bank in WWE 2k. They keep saying they fix it but it’s either never fixed right or they just don’t tell us how it works.

You recall correctly, which is why I ask this question lol. From the Gameplay Deep Dive Campus Huddle:

With the introduction of Wear and Tear, Fatigue has been completely overhauled. Whereas Wear and Tear accounts for physical impacts, Fatigue is primarily a conditioning feature, designed to provide more realistic snap counts at the College level. It's something to pay attention to on a drive-to-drive basis. Let's say a running back gets 3 consecutive carries for positive yards. You may notice them huffing and puffing in pre-play. On a subsequent carry, they'll likely come out of the game. However, recovery has been changed to where it'll likely be for only a single play, so they can catch their breath and get right back onto the field.

So far, I'm not seeing this at all on default settings. In fact, right now the player in-game substitution behavior in CFB25 is very familiar to me from my time playing Madden; i.e. there basically is none.

I am reluctant to touch the fatigue slider because I don't want to trigger the age-old issue of a player disappearing forever because his fatigue sinks too low, but maybe that's what it will take to actually see the behavior EA Sports built out here.

Granted, I do not use no huddle very much, and generally speaking my offensive tempo is slow. Perhaps the fatigue effects are greater if you routinely call your plays at the line of scrimmage or frequently use turbo no-huddle, but I've played against no-huddle offenses and haven't seen my defense sub much so I kinda doubt that as well.

[Spartan Warrior]

Re: Auto-Subs - What Works?

My current setup that's a total WIP and is just copied over from what I used in Madden is:

QB 0/1
RB 85/92
WR 80/87
FB/TE 75/82
OL 0/1

DT 85/92
DE 85/92
LB 75/82
CB 75/82
S 75/82

But note that I also play with fatigue at 72 right now, so my player tire faster, but I am getting rotation at all the positions I want at frequencies around where I want.

I started using these with 70 fatigue last night and I'm really happy with the results. Getting lots of rotation from my running backs and defensive line. But guys come back in after they rest, I've had problems in the past with guys coming out and never coming back in.

[jdb7623]

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They need to make auto subs a global setting instead of team specific or have both options. The problem is in dynasty you need it set for both teams not just your own. And I'm not going to create coaches for the opposing teams and then retire them because it totally screws up the coaching carousel and the coach progressions for that school.

[LowerWolf]

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With fatigue at 50, I am getting the RB subbed out fairly realistically at 75/80. I haven't paid enough attention to the DL to see if I'm getting a decent rotation there. I've only played exhibition games though; I haven't even gone into Dynasty yet.

If it matters, I've typically been playing 8- or 9-minute quarters with either accelerated clock at 25 or off (since it's not working correctly).

Running turbo, the RB does fatigue faster. But they're still getting subbed out running a regular offense.

On M24, with fatigue at 100 (on Competitive) at 75/80, I get decent - not realistic, but decent - rotation on the D-line, RB and WR. Fatigue is reduced on Competitive, which is why I bumped it up. CF25 doesn't have game styles, so I don't know if it's closer to Competitive or Simulation on Madden.

The default now is 60/80. Back in the PS2 days it was 75/85. That's how I came to my completely unscientific 75/80 setting.