Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

[jello1717]

I have a streak called against press man coverage.
My WR beats the press and has a 2-4 yard lead on the defender.
I push up or maybe up+towards sideline on the left stick and tap the B button.
More than 75% of the time the pass is under thrown (my WR has to do a 180 to attempt to catch it) and the trailing CB easily swats the ball away.
I just tried this in practice, trying to be able to lead the WR on a ton of passes and the result is the same.

I use classic passing (I tried revamped and sucked at it pretty horribly). I normally use small “pass lead increase.” In practice I tried medium pass lead increase, but I underthrew just as many passes. The only noticeable difference was that I overthrew some as well, while I never overthrow with small lead.

What am I doing wrong?

Is my assumption that pushing the LS up to lead the WR away from the trailing CB correct?

Is it a ratings issue? I mainly use scramblers, but I’ve used field generals as well while I recruit scramblers.

Is it because I use classic passing? I absolutely don’t have the stick skills for placement and accuracy, and have sucked with revamped with red throws 75% of the time and yellow throws maybe 20% that I’m not lobbing the ball. Lobs are the only passes I can consistently get blue.

This is mainly just an issue with leading receivers downfield. If I’ve got a crosser I don’t have much trouble leading him left or right away from a trailing defender.

[jello1717]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

Well crap…. It is because I use(d) classic passing. Threw 10 streaks in practice with classic and 6/10 were under thrown and swatted. Threw 10 streaks with revamped and 0/10 were under thrown. Also, the trajectory of a revamped lob is WAY higher than a classic lob (the low classic trajectory is part of the reason they get swatted). I’m not sure if classic lobs have lower trajectories, or if I’m not able to do a classic lob and am doing touch passes instead somehow (but I tap the button just as quickly in classic).

[bkrich83]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

Well crap…. It is because I use(d) classic passing. Threw 10 streaks in practice with classic and 6/10 were under thrown and swatted. Threw 10 streaks with revamped and 0/10 were under thrown. Also, the trajectory of a revamped lob is WAY higher than a classic lob (the low classic trajectory is part of the reason they get swatted). I’m not sure if classic lobs have lower trajectories, or if I’m not able to do a classic lob and am doing touch passes instead somehow (but I tap the button just as quickly in classic).

I played around with classic and location and imo revamped is the way to go. I love the variance in trajectories, there is still variance on accuracy, you can still lead pass, but it gives you so many options when making a throw.

After enough trying the other passing options I'm sticking to revamped.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

The high pass modifier is really important for deep passes - the default is targeted to their chest which often brings it low enough for a swat. High pass + lob is the only way I've consistently cleared the DB's reach.

[Feros Ferio 7]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

Revamped was the one I went with as it actually provided a way to lob the ball. It works well for me.


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[jello1717]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

The high pass modifier is really important for deep passes - the default is targeted to their chest which often brings it low enough for a swat. High pass + lob is the only way I've consistently cleared the DB's reach.

I’ll try this out to see how it works. Does it lead to nice catch and runs, or to jump, catch, tackles?

[jello1717]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

I played around with classic and location and imo revamped is the way to go. I love the variance in trajectories, there is still variance on accuracy, you can still lead pass, but it gives you so many options when making a throw.



After enough trying the other passing options I'm sticking to revamped.

I’ve switched back to revamped (played around with it for the 1st month before switching to classic and instantly became a much better passer with classic) and I’m giving it another shot.

Played around in practice for half an hour and I’m still seemingly incapable of throwing a bullet pass that isn’t red.

[bkrich83]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

I’ve switched back to revamped (played around with it for the 1st month before switching to classic and instantly became a much better passer with classic) and I’m giving it another shot.

Played around in practice for half an hour and I’m still seemingly incapable of throwing a bullet pass that isn’t red.

There's some timing for sure. Most of my bullets end up yellow and that's worked out fine. I did change a few settings. I think I changed the pass lead to medium and the meter speed or whatever that is called.

It did take me a while to get a feel for it though.

[jello1717]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

There's some timing for sure. Most of my bullets end up yellow and that's worked out fine. I did change a few settings. I think I changed the pass lead to medium and the meter speed or whatever that is called.



It did take me a while to get a feel for it though.

I thought the passing slowdown only worked for placement. I’ve tested it and haven’t seen any difference on classic or revamped while there is an extremely obvious difference with placement (such a huge difference that I feel confident saying definitively that it only works with that mode).

With medium lead, do you use the full analog LS when passing (I.e. full left to lead a lot or only partially left to only lead a little)? I’d imagine with my stick skills, leading will always be full lead or no lead, and I’ve found with medium lead that I can drastically overshoot my receivers.

[bkrich83]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

I thought the passing slowdown only worked for placement. I’ve tested it and haven’t seen any difference on classic or revamped while there is an extremely obvious difference with placement (such a huge difference that I feel confident saying definitively that it only works with that mode).

With medium lead, do you use the full analog LS when passing (I.e. full left to lead a lot or only partially left to only lead a little)? I’d imagine with my stick skills, leading will always be full lead or no lead, and I’ve found with medium lead that I can drastically overshoot my receivers.

Not pasing slow down the meter slow down setting. I forget what it's called.

I still do full stick on leads, not always by choice but many times by panic. I do overshoot my receivers at times but I can live with that because it happens IRL as well. Vertical throws are low percentage throws by their nature.

[jello1717]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

Not pasing slow down the meter slow down setting. I forget what it's called.



I still do full stick on leads, not always by choice but many times by panic. I do overshoot my receivers at times but I can live with that because it happens IRL as well. Vertical throws are low percentage throws by their nature.

I’m more concerned with overshooting slants, drags, ins,outs, and corners with medium leading.

Also, are you saying there’s a setting that slows down how fast the revamped meter fills? If so, I’d LOVE to know where this setting is as it fills up crazy fast for me.

[bkrich83]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

I’m more concerned with overshooting slants, drags, ins,outs, and corners with medium leading.

Also, are you saying there’s a setting that slows down how fast the revamped meter fills? If so, I’d LOVE to know where this setting is as it fills up crazy fast for me.

I haven't had issues with those types of throws but your mileage my vary.

I'll look at the setting tonight when I get a sec to get some games in.

[Feros Ferio 7]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

I’ve switched back to revamped (played around with it for the 1st month before switching to classic and instantly became a much better passer with classic) and I’m giving it another shot.

Played around in practice for half an hour and I’m still seemingly incapable of throwing a bullet pass that isn’t red.

Took me a while to get it. I woukd go for bullet and red it and then adjust and throw a lob when I needed a bullet. Threw a lot of picks early.

But have adjusted to it and now vary rarely get a different type pass than I'm targeting. There will be frustrations but I'd use it and get used to it. It's really helpful.


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[GKEnialb]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

When leading, do you push the left stick before you throw or after you throw? Feels like something I should have figured out by now...

[jello1717]

Re: Need help with mechanics of throwing the deep ball please

I haven't had issues with those types of throws but your mileage my vary.



I'll look at the setting tonight when I get a sec to get some games in.

Have you found the setting?