A Deeper Understanding of Rhythm Shooting

[clinthc0003]

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Made a follow up video to Kevin's after getting lot of time with this over the last few days. Once I figured out what the shot feedback was actually looking for, the mechanic started to feel a lot better. After just a few hours of playing with it has made it almost feel weird to shoot without it now.

Made this diagram of some of my findings. Explain it in the video in more detail.

[jeebs9]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIYPkykTYSE



Made a follow up video to Kevin's after getting lot of time with this over the last few days. Once I figured out what the shot feedback was actually looking for, the mechanic started to feel a lot better. After just a few hours of playing with it has made it almost feel weird to shoot without it now.



Made this diagram of some of my findings. Explain it in the video in more detail.

Nice watching material for my twin ride. Thank you!!

[gcordoza]

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Thanks a lot for the video it really made clear to be the small nuances about the differences between slower and quicker shots, whether it be stand still jumpers or pull ups/ step backs. I originally thought that the rhythm part was literally you having to track the follow through speed with the push up, now seeing that the flick up doesn't need to be a particular speed but more of a timing flick makes a lot more sense why it felt weird for me to use, will continue to lab it.

[jeebs9]

Re: A Deeper Understanding of Rhythm Shooting

Thanks a lot for the video it really made clear to be the small nuances about the differences between slower and quicker shots, whether it be stand still jumpers or pull ups/ step backs. I originally thought that the rhythm part was literally you having to track the follow through speed with the push up, now seeing that the flick up doesn't need to be a particular speed but more of a timing flick makes a lot more sense why it felt weird for me to use, will continue to lab it.

Also while your labbing. Remember the doesn't have to be pushed down and then up n it can go in any direction. As long as you press it in the opposite direction after. I tend to shoot a lot of different shots in the post.

[clinthc0003]

Re: A Deeper Understanding of Rhythm Shooting

Thanks a lot for the video it really made clear to be the small nuances about the differences between slower and quicker shots, whether it be stand still jumpers or pull ups/ step backs. I originally thought that the rhythm part was literally you having to track the follow through speed with the push up, now seeing that the flick up doesn't need to be a particular speed but more of a timing flick makes a lot more sense why it felt weird for me to use, will continue to lab it.

Same, the word "Tempo" has a lot of implications that make you think it has to do with the speed in which you move the stick and had me confused as well. I figured I would share this since I really only got that insight when I started messing around with the keyboard, but after I understood it better my execution with it on the stick went through the roof.

It's an awesome feature. One of those "how did I used to play without this" kind of features almost once you do it for a while imo. Would love to see it expanded somehow into the layup game (if not this, some kind of overhaul for that).

[alabamarob]

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Solid video man. I just go slow for slow jumpers and fast for quick ones. It’s harder for me to consistently time the slow ones

[DocHolliday]

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I’m confused what the point of this is for though. Is this for online play skill boosting or something?


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[wrestlinggod1]

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Solid video man. I just go slow for slow jumpers and fast for quick ones. It’s harder for me to consistently time the slow ones

When I use the Heat, I have a good idea of their releases because I always watch their games. But if I want to try using a team like Dallas, I’m not really familiar with their shot timing. Everything is too slow or too fast. It’s hard for me to pickup the shot timing over the course of one game.
I understand trying to make the game more difficult, but I feel like this rhythm shooting is more for the online myplayer crowd. If you’re using your myplayer all the time, it makes sense that you’ll learn a rhythm with the shot because you’re suing the same player over and over. It’s challenging when trying to enjoy different team since everyone has different release speeds and timings.

[clinthc0003]

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I’m confused what the point of this is for though. Is this for online play skill boosting or something?


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I say give it a try. According to Mike Wang, it can raise your potential but that's not why I'm really using it at this point. It just feels more natural once you get the hang of it.

I just try to time the down to up (or left to right or w/e) movement basically once they around about to start moving their arm and the time the flick with the actual flick of the wrist. It feels pretty natural to me and am not having a lot of issues adapting to new jumpshots/players. More intuitive than the traditional timing points imo.

[clinthc0003]

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Solid video man. I just go slow for slow jumpers and fast for quick ones. It’s harder for me to consistently time the slow ones

Yeah, harder for me on the slow ones as well. That's why I mentioned that tip about letting the stick "pause" in the middle sometimes. That can feel a lot better for me in some situations

Quick vid showing the stick movement I've been using for slower jumpshots. It's three distinct steps (at least that I'm thinking when doing it).
Middle -> Down (to initiate)
Down -> Middle (starting movement when jump shot is set and starting to move arms)
Middle -> Up (trying to time hitting the top point with the flick of the wrist)

The video shows an example of one I was struggling with on Kobe on one of his pull ups until I started trying it like this. The key point that I wanted to make with the timing point on the original video was that the speed of the stick doesn't matter. Only those two timing points matter (when you release the down movement and when you fully extend the stick to the up direction).

Speeding up or slowing down effectively does the same thing, it's just not what is getting measured.

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[gcordoza]

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Solid video man. I just go slow for slow jumpers and fast for quick ones. It’s harder for me to consistently time the slow ones

Agreed, honestly either spectrum of fast or slow seems harder for now to time, Curry for example which is a jumper I loved since 2k20 days, its LIGHTNING fast now. Adding rhythm to and already blistering fast shot is really going to take some getting used to.

[DocHolliday]

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I say give it a try. According to Mike Wang, it can raise your potential but that's not why I'm really using it at this point. It just feels more natural once you get the hang of it.



I just try to time the down to up (or left to right or w/e) movement basically once they around about to start moving their arm and the time the flick with the actual flick of the wrist. It feels pretty natural to me and am not having a lot of issues adapting to new jumpshots/players. More intuitive than the traditional timing points imo.

What is the difference though in just hitting the x button and releasing or the shot stick and releasing? Do you get different animations?


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[wrestlinggod1]

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What is the difference though in just hitting the x button and releasing or the shot stick and releasing? Do you get different animations?


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From what I understand, you get a boost when using the shot stick. Don’t quote me on that.

[clinthc0003]

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What is the difference though in just hitting the x button and releasing or the shot stick and releasing? Do you get different animations?


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According to some of the guys that try to experiment with some of this stuff (2K Labs guys in particular), the timing window is much bigger when using the rhythm shots. Not sure how they tested it so can't verify that fully, but anecdotally it feels more forgiving. I just know a lot in the community are struggling with shooting with the button this year so wanted to help contribute when people are talking more about rhythm shooting.

But the real reason I'm sticking with it for now is that it just feels more natural once you get used to it. it probably took me 4-5 hours or so (2-3 in the lab messing with it and a couple of full length games) of forcing myself to use it before it really felt like it clicked. But now, shooting with the button feels weird almost.

[sirjam]

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Yeah, harder for me on the slow ones as well. That's why I mentioned that tip about letting the stick "pause" in the middle sometimes. That can feel a lot better for me in some situations

Quick vid showing the stick movement I've been using for slower jumpshots. It's three distinct steps (at least that I'm thinking when doing it).
Middle -> Down (to initiate)
Down -> Middle (starting movement when jump shot is set and starting to move arms)
Middle -> Up (trying to time hitting the top point with the flick of the wrist)

The video shows an example of one I was struggling with on Kobe on one of his pull ups until I started trying it like this. The key point that I wanted to make with the timing point on the original video was that the speed of the stick doesn't matter. Only those two timing points matter (when you release the down movement and when you fully extend the stick to the up direction).

Speeding up or slowing down effectively does the same thing, it's just not what is getting measured.

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I would do this, you will get a pump fake more often than not. It’s one direction than the opposite direction smoothly. I’m not sure what 2k considers with rhythm though. Arms or flick of wrist, or both?