Recruiting and Scheme Fits

[KingTD]

Wondered if anyone has made a guide for what player tendencies to recruit depending on what scheme a team is running on offense. From what I've gathered:

VEER AND SHOOT

QB - Field General
RB - Power Back
FB - Blocking
WR - Deep Threat
TE - Possession (Heupel) or Blocking (Briles)
G/C - Power
LT/RT - Pass Protector

"MODERN" AIR RAID (PRO SPREAD)

QB - Improviser
RB - Receiving
FB - Utility
WR - Route Runner
TE - Possession
G/C - Pass Protector
LT/RT - Power

PRO STYLE - Pro Style is split into teams with 1:An emphasis on either West Coast/Air Raid passing concepts or vertical passing and 2: Reliance on zone running or power running.

QB - Improviser (West Coast) or Field General (Vertical)
RB - Elusive (Zone) or Power (Power)
FB - Utility (West Coast) or Blocking (Vertical)
WR - Route Runner (West Coast) or Deep Threat (Vertical)
TE - Possession (West Coast) or Vertical Threat (Vertical)
OL - Agile (Zone) or Power (Power). For Vertical offenses, LT/RT are Pass Protectors

SPREAD

QB - Improviser
RB - Elusive
FB - Utility
WR - Route Runner
TE - Possession
G/C - Agile
LT/RT - Pass Protector

SPREAD OPTION

QB - Scrambler
RB - Elusive
FB - Blocking
WR - Physical
TE - Blocking
OL - Agile

OPTION

QB - Scrambler
RB - Receiving
FB - Utility
WR - Physical
TE - Blocking
OL - Agile

PISTOL

QB - Scrambler
RB - Power
FB - Blocking
WR - Physical
TE - Blocking
OL - Agile

RUN AND SHOOT

QB - Field General
RB - Receiving
FB - Utility
WR - Route Runner
TE - Blocking
OL - Pass Protector

MULTIPLE - Multiple schemes are split between zone or power running teams

QB - Field General
RB - Elusive (Zone) or Power (Power)
FB - Blocking
WR - Physical
TE - Blocking (Power) or Possession (Zone)
OL - Agile (Zone) or Power (Power)
LT - Pass Protector (Power)

[mpk2beacpa]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

This is great work. Do you have one for the Power Spread?

[aquilotti1]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

Is this confirmed?

[Madden Air Raid]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

There are a few that I know of that are off for what kinds of players you want to recruit.

Air Raid can vary depending on if you want a modernized one or a Mike Leach/Hal Mumme one. Modernized ones have more scrambler or improvisor types QBs, Mumme and Leach would have field generals with maybe a few improvisors like Harrell and Minshew mixed in. Their recruiting guide was:
QB- Accurate, good decision maker, quick feet, fast release.
WR-X: Needs to be able to take the top off the defense. Fastest player if you only have one fast guy. You want height and body size but can't always get it. In CFB25 this would most likely be Deep Threat and fast Physical receivers.
WR-H: Shifty, elusive Wes Welker type. Doesn't have a lot of size but is as quick laterally as he is in a straight line. In game most players who fit this would be Route Runners or Deep Threats who are small with great agility, accel, and cod.
TE/WR-Y: Vertical Threat TE in game. Needs to be able to catch everything and be tough and take hits over the middle. Leach didn't use a true TE but at times they did offer guys in high school who were flex type TEs and would have planned on playing them here. Alternatively Leach went with a "small" Y which was similar to H but usually a better route runner.
WR-Z: More of a possession type guy. Usually your best route runner or best rounded receiver. He could be similar to X but didn't need to be as fast. Any receiver archetype could work here.
RB-F: Good hands, blocking, best ball carrier. The receiving back archetype isn't the only fit here as what makes a back a highly rated receiving back is the route running for short and mid. You can certainly go with that but 99% of their routes will be swings, shoots, screens, and option route/out/sit type routes. An elusive back with good enough catching and better skills with the ball in his hands will be just as good if not better.
OL: All need to be good at pass blocking. RT will usually be bigger than LT but LT will be quicker. C can be smaller than the guards. Guards need bulk. I wouldn't say any one archetype fits here in game. You need interior linemen to be able to block inside zone while still being good at pass blocking.

Veer and Shoot:
QBs need a big arm, mobility is a plus to help gain numbers in the run game. I think any archetype works but scramblers with big arms open up the offense the most.
The TEs are usually your blocking type guys who play the H-back or sniffer role. Your passing production comes from your receivers not your blockers. It's either 10p or 11/20p depending on what you want to classify your sniffers as.

Run and Shoot:
QB needs a big arm. Field general is fine but I think any archetype would work.
RB is more a big power runner or a fullback type. You don't want receiving backs here, the RnS typically has the back stay in to block on pass plays. You want a big dude who can help pick defenders up in slide protection and run over smaller defenders in a weak box.
WR you want speedy kick returner types.

[KingTD]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

There are a few that I know of that are off for what kinds of players you want to recruit.

Air Raid can vary depending on if you want a modernized one or a Mike Leach/Hal Mumme one. Modernized ones have more scrambler or improvisor types QBs, Mumme and Leach would have field generals with maybe a few improvisors like Harrell and Minshew mixed in. Their recruiting guide was:
QB- Accurate, good decision maker, quick feet, fast release.
WR-X: Needs to be able to take the top off the defense. Fastest player if you only have one fast guy. You want height and body size but can't always get it. In CFB25 this would most likely be Deep Threat and fast Physical receivers.
WR-H: Shifty, elusive Wes Welker type. Doesn't have a lot of size but is as quick laterally as he is in a straight line. In game most players who fit this would be Route Runners or Deep Threats who are small with great agility, accel, and cod.
TE/WR-Y: Vertical Threat TE in game. Needs to be able to catch everything and be tough and take hits over the middle. Leach didn't use a true TE but at times they did offer guys in high school who were flex type TEs and would have planned on playing them here. Alternatively Leach went with a "small" Y which was similar to H but usually a better route runner.
WR-Z: More of a possession type guy. Usually your best route runner or best rounded receiver. He could be similar to X but didn't need to be as fast. Any receiver archetype could work here.
RB-F: Good hands, blocking, best ball carrier. The receiving back archetype isn't the only fit here as what makes a back a highly rated receiving back is the route running for short and mid. You can certainly go with that but 99% of their routes will be swings, shoots, screens, and option route/out/sit type routes. An elusive back with good enough catching and better skills with the ball in his hands will be just as good if not better.
OL: All need to be good at pass blocking. RT will usually be bigger than LT but LT will be quicker. C can be smaller than the guards. Guards need bulk. I wouldn't say any one archetype fits here in game. You need interior linemen to be able to block inside zone while still being good at pass blocking.

Veer and Shoot:
QBs need a big arm, mobility is a plus to help gain numbers in the run game. I think any archetype works but scramblers with big arms open up the offense the most.
The TEs are usually your blocking type guys who play the H-back or sniffer role. Your passing production comes from your receivers not your blockers. It's either 10p or 11/20p depending on what you want to classify your sniffers as.

Run and Shoot:
QB needs a big arm. Field general is fine but I think any archetype would work.
RB is more a big power runner or a fullback type. You don't want receiving backs here, the RnS typically has the back stay in to block on pass plays. You want a big dude who can help pick defenders up in slide protection and run over smaller defenders in a weak box.
WR you want speedy kick returner types.

For Air Raid, I used modern team playbooks (Riley, Harrell, etc.) as Leach was the last of the "pure" Air Raid. I forgot to add the generic Air Raid and Power Spread schemes. I also thought about adding certain attributes to look for (ex. Throw Power in Veer and Shoot), but decided to just go with the archetype.

[KingTD]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

This is great work. Do you have one for the Power Spread?

POWER SPREAD - Very similar to Veer and Shoot and Spread Option in some ways, but clear difference in philosophy. Veer and Shoot philosophy is tempo, 20 personnel, with the goal of throwing deep when the defense brings numbers into the box. Spread Option philosophy is tempo, spacing, and option football. Power spread philosophy is tempo, spacing, and power running with option football included. Power Spread teams throw deep to run the ball, Veer and Shoot teams run the ball to throw deep.

QB - Scrambler
RB - Power
FB - Blocking
WR - Physical
TE - Blocking
OL - Power

[KingTD]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

BASE 3-4, 3-3-5 TITE

LE - Power Rusher
RE - Run Stopper
DT - Run Stopper
LOLB - Power Rusher
MLB - Field General
ROLB - Speed Rusher
CB - Man-to-Man
FS - Zone
SS - Run Support

3-4 MULTIPLE

LE - Power Rusher
RE - Run Stopper
DT - Run Stopper
LOLB - Speed Rusher
MLB - Field General
ROLB - Power Rusher
CB - Man-to-Man
FS - Hybrid
SS - Run Support

"West Virginia" 3-3-5

LE - Run Stopper
RE - Run Stopper
DT - Power Rusher
LOLB - Power Rusher
MLB - Run Stopper
ROLB - Pass Coverage
CB - Zone
FS - Zone
SS1 - Hybrid
SS2 - Run Support

4-2-5

LE - Run Stopper
RE - Speed Rusher
DT1 - Power Rusher
DT2 - Power Rusher
LOLB - Run Stopper
MLB - Pass Coverage
ROLB - Pass Coverage
CB - Slot
FS - Hybrid
SS1 - Run Support
SS2 - Hybrid

4-3 MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE

LE - Speed Rusher
RE - Run Stopper
DT1 - Speed Rusher
DT2 - Run Stopper
LOLB - Power Rusher
MLB - Field General
ROLB - Pass Coverage
CB - Slot
FS - Zone
SS - Hybrid

"MODERN" BASE 4-3

LE - Speed Rusher
RE - Speed Rusher
DT1 - Power Rusher
DT2 - Power Rusher
LOLB - Pass Coverage
MLB - Field General
ROLB - Pass Coverage
CB - Man-to-Man
FS - Zone
SS - Hybrid

[KingTD]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

"PURE" AIR RAID

QB - Field General
RB - Receiving
FB - Blocking
WR - Route Runner
TE - Possession
OL - Pass Protector

[KingTD]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

"IOWA STATE" 3-3-5

LE - Power Rusher
RE - Power Rusher
DT - Power Rusher
LOLB - Pass Coverage
MLB - Run Stopper
ROLB - Pass Coverage
CB - Slot
FS - Zone
SS1 - Run Support
SS2 - Zone

[iverson3]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

What about nickel?

[fcboiler87]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

Good stuff. Thanks.

This may have been brought up in other threads, but I want to give credit that for the first time, I feel like position types really matter. It seems that when I play with different players of different archetypes, I can feel the difference. This is especially evident to me on offense. I like to drop back pass. I don't want to run or scramble with my QB. So I need the throwing skills that come with a field general QB. I've used other types and it's just not the same.

[tessl]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

In coach mode I still haven't figured out which QB archetype is best. I thought it would be headstrong but I have two and they struggle on the road just as much as the others with inability to audible. I rotate QB until I find the one who performs. I'd like to see someone do a deep dive on QB. One thing I do is my starter is struggling I replace him. I won a national championship doing that in the championship game.

For linemen I like acceleration which usually is agile but not always. RB a combination of a power back and an elusive, power for the 3DRB slot.

Receivers catch and catch in traffic.

Linebackers need speed, tackling, play recognition and pursuit.
Safeties speed, tackling and zone.
Corners speed man coverage and change of direction.

I recruit attributes, gems and star rating more than archetype with attributes being #1.

[tessl]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

What about nickel?

I have 4 linemen for 4-3 and a different group for nickel.

For nickel I focus on speed, acceleration and power moves/finesse moves. Make sure the slot corner is good. Sub LB who has ability to pass defend.

[KingTD]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

"IOWA" 4-2-5

LE - Power Rusher
RE - Speed Rusher
DT1 - Power Rusher
DT2 - Run Stopper
LOLB - Pass Coverage
MLB - Field General
ROLB - Pass Coverage
CB - Slot
FS - Hybrid
SS1 - Run Support
SS2 - Hybrid

[mate04]

Re: Recruiting and Scheme Fits

"IOWA" 4-2-5



LE - Run Stopper

RE - Speed Rusher

DT1 - Power Rusher

DT2 - Run Stopper

LOLB - Pass Coverage

MLB - Pass Coverage

ROLB - Run Stopper

CB - Slot

FS - Hybrid

SS1 - Run Support

SS2 - Hybrid

What makes this scheme specifically Iowa? There’s another great thread on here about the 4-2-5 and want to use it for my new dynasty.


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