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  • zpq12
    MVP
    • Jun 2003
    • 1104

    #1

    Oregon, why are you this way?

    Why does Dillon Gabriel want to throw the ball into the stands?

    This may be a semi continuation of the ratings don’t matter thread, but I can’t understand how to fix this or why the logic is such.

    I got cooked by Ulatowski from Kent State. The Gophers starters pretty soundly out-spec the Golden Flashes in ratings. Ulatowski stood in the pocket and delivered. Not always accurately, but we played a tight game and he was gutty.

    That’s one game, but this is representative of so many games against non-P4 teams. Have you seen Ball State recently? For some reason their depth chart is ****ed(go look) and their quarterback(cornerback? I literally had to google them to make sure that it wasn’t some mid season position swap)was very bad but made some throws on third down. Northern Illinois. That quarterback is a hero. Marshall. Gutty.

    I play Oregon, which I’ve overused as my check for sliders against good teams and Dillon Gabriel throws the ball out of bounds on third and 5s like hes saving time on a two minute drill. I saved a first quarter third down where I ran a nickel cover 2 to moderate coverage success and my end got minor leverage 4 yards from him and he fired that ball from the pocket 15 yards into the sideline.

    Maybe it’s less the team strength than it’s simply Oregon. Has anyone played Oregon with a middling team? Is their playbook ****ty? I played a couple games against them trying to sub in different playbooks with mixed results(too few for any conclusions). I’ve been fighting sliders largely based on Oregon being the high control. I’ve played probably two dozen games against this team. They’re bad.

    You logic engine experts - what is this?
    UofM-Duluth Bulldogs Hockey
  • GoDucks1224
    MVP
    • Jul 2012
    • 2623

    #2
    Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

    Originally posted by zpq12
    Why does Dillon Gabriel want to throw the ball into the stands?

    This may be a semi continuation of the ratings don’t matter thread, but I can’t understand how to fix this or why the logic is such.

    I got cooked by Ulatowski from Kent State. The Gophers starters pretty soundly out-spec the Golden Flashes in ratings. Ulatowski stood in the pocket and delivered. Not always accurately, but we played a tight game and he was gutty.

    That’s one game, but this is representative of so many games against non-P4 teams. Have you seen Ball State recently? For some reason their depth chart is ****ed(go look) and their quarterback(cornerback? I literally had to google them to make sure that it wasn’t some mid season position swap)was very bad but made some throws on third down. Northern Illinois. That quarterback is a hero. Marshall. Gutty.

    I play Oregon, which I’ve overused as my check for sliders against good teams and Dillon Gabriel throws the ball out of bounds on third and 5s like hes saving time on a two minute drill. I saved a first quarter third down where I ran a nickel cover 2 to moderate coverage success and my end got minor leverage 4 yards from him and he fired that ball from the pocket 15 yards into the sideline.

    Maybe it’s less the team strength than it’s simply Oregon. Has anyone played Oregon with a middling team? Is their playbook ****ty? I played a couple games against them trying to sub in different playbooks with mixed results(too few for any conclusions). I’ve been fighting sliders largely based on Oregon being the high control. I’ve played probably two dozen games against this team. They’re bad.

    You logic engine experts - what is this?
    I'd like to know this too. I rarely see them sim well either. Regularly losing to teams way below them. EA hates the Ducks confirmed. Angry Ohio State fans.

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    • jello1717
      All Star
      • Feb 2006
      • 5720

      #3
      Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

      Originally posted by GoDucks1224
      I'd like to know this too. I rarely see them sim well either. Regularly losing to teams way below them. EA hates the Ducks confirmed. Angry Ohio State fans.
      That really, REALLY has not been my experience in all of the dynasties I’ve played. In mine Oregon is always THE standard (with Georgia being #2).

      In my current dynasty, they’ve won 4 of 8 B1G titles and the last 3 national championships. They also have:
      • Most wins (by 9!!) and fewest losses (6 fewer losses than #2 Georgia!!!)
      • Best winning percentage by .055
      • 16-5 playoff record and 4 more playoff wins than #2 and 9 more than #3!!
      • 3rd most top 5 recruiting classes
      • 2nd most drafted players
      • 2nd most 1st round picks
      • Most conference championships
      • Most national championships
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      Favorite Teams:
      College #1: Michigan Wolverines
      College #2: Michigan State Spartans (my alma mater)
      College #3: North Carolina Tar Heels
      NHL: Detroit Redwings

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      • Funkycorm
        Cleveland Baseball Guru
        • Nov 2016
        • 3159

        #4
        Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

        Pains me to say...

        They typically sim in the top 10 for me.

        I am only on my first season of my Ohio State dynasty and haven't played Oregon yet in the game with anyone so I can't say in game.

        But simulating, they are always solid.
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        • jello1717
          All Star
          • Feb 2006
          • 5720

          #5
          Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

          Oh yeah. As for playing them on the field, I’ve only played them in 1 season (so far). In that season I played a ranked team 10 times, including Oregon 3 times. I beat every ranked team not named Oregon, but Oregon was responsible for all of my losses.
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          • GoDucks1224
            MVP
            • Jul 2012
            • 2623

            #6
            Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

            Wild. I've seen them make the national championship once. I've seen them miss the playoff more often than I've seen them in it. And when I've played against them, they've always been easy to play against. Crazy that you guys are seeing the opposite. Makes me happy though lol.

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            • jello1717
              All Star
              • Feb 2006
              • 5720

              #7
              Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

              LMAO! Speaking of Oregon and the sim engine….

              I was checking this past week’s results and saw that Oregon absolutely steamrolled some poor hapless FCS school. I check the results of every power 4 game every week, and this is the biggest *** whooping I’ve ever seen.
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              • GoDucks1224
                MVP
                • Jul 2012
                • 2623

                #8
                Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

                Originally posted by jello1717
                LMAO! Speaking of Oregon and the sim engine….



                I was checking this past week’s results and saw that Oregon absolutely steamrolled some poor hapless FCS school. I check the results of every power 4 game every week, and this is the biggest *** whooping I’ve ever seen.


                Wow lol. I saw Georgia drop 83 on an FCS school once.

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                • Ghost Of The Year
                  T Bone
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 6406

                  #9
                  Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

                  Originally posted by zpq12;
                  Oregon, why are you this way?
                  You logic engine experts - what is this?
                  Because if it quacks like a Duck and waddles like a Duck, its probably a Duck be it A Donald or a Daffy or a Oregon. BTW I'm no expert but I do play one on the Internet.

                  But seriously, I don't think this experience is unique to Oregon.
                  Talk about things nobody cares.

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                  • zpq12
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 1104

                    #10
                    Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

                    Originally posted by jello1717
                    That really, REALLY has not been my experience in all of the dynasties I’ve played. In mine Oregon is always THE standard (with Georgia being #2).

                    In my current dynasty, they’ve won 4 of 8 B1G titles and the last 3 national championships. They also have:
                    • Most wins (by 9!!) and fewest losses (6 fewer losses than #2 Georgia!!!)
                    • Best winning percentage by .055
                    • 16-5 playoff record and 4 more playoff wins than #2 and 9 more than #3!!
                    • 3rd most top 5 recruiting classes
                    • 2nd most drafted players
                    • 2nd most 1st round picks
                    • Most conference championships
                    • Most national championships
                    I’m talking about games played. Against them I have a lot. Like a lot a lot. Simming is outside the scope of what I’m talking about.

                    I would like it if you’d share your sliders. You e posted before regarding your experience, so I’d like to at least give them a fair shot.

                    Originally posted by GoDucks1224
                    Wild. I've seen them make the national championship once. I've seen them miss the playoff more often than I've seen them in it. And when I've played against them, they've always been easy to play against. Crazy that you guys are seeing the opposite. Makes me happy though lol.
                    I think it’s largely the playbook maybe? In addition to my personal opinion that the top tier teams and the lower tier teams aren’t differentiated in a way that I find optimal… Nothing obvious as far as stats, though I’m no expert in the engine and the behind the scenes calculations.

                    I try to avoid confirmation bias and I try to get a few games in before deciding on something(I’m not always successful) but I’m far from any kind of statistical significance or controlling variables.

                    All that said, their offense is a massive disappointment. Probably several factors involved. Throwing the ball away without pressure. Weird play calls and a strong run reliance on run plays that are largely ineffective.

                    Originally posted by Ghost Of The Year
                    Because if it quacks like a Duck and waddles like a Duck, its probably a Duck be it A Donald or a Daffy or a Oregon. BTW I'm no expert but I do play one on the Internet.

                    But seriously, I don't think this experience is unique to Oregon.
                    The last part - in what way? I think maybe we’re on the same page in regards to the larger concept of teams trending to the mean, I wish I knew why and better, how to fix it.
                    UofM-Duluth Bulldogs Hockey

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                    • jello1717
                      All Star
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 5720

                      #11
                      Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

                      Originally posted by zpq12
                      I would like it if you’d share your sliders. You e posted before regarding your experience, so I’d like to at least give them a fair shot. .
                      SLIDERS: ALL AMERICAN
                      USER
                      QBA 30
                      PB 70
                      WRC 50
                      RB 55
                      FUMB 38
                      PBRT 60
                      INT 20
                      PC 60
                      TACK 49

                      CPU
                      QBA 27
                      PB 60
                      WRC 50
                      RB 65
                      FUMB 35
                      PDRT 35
                      INT 20
                      PC 37
                      TACK 49

                      FGP 30
                      FGA 35
                      PP 53
                      PA 35
                      KOP 55

                      INJ 53
                      FAT 75
                      THRESH 75

                      OFFSIDES 60
                      FALSE START 75
                      HOLD 52
                      FACE MASK 80
                      DPI 99
                      BLOCK BACK 52
                      ROUGHING 51
                      Favorite Teams:
                      College #1: Michigan Wolverines
                      College #2: Michigan State Spartans (my alma mater)
                      College #3: North Carolina Tar Heels
                      NHL: Detroit Redwings

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                      • Ghost Of The Year
                        T Bone
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 6406

                        #12
                        Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

                        Originally posted by zpq12
                        I’m talking about games played. Against them I have a lot. Like a lot a lot. Simming is outside the scope of what I’m talking about.

                        I would like it if you’d share your sliders. You e posted before regarding your experience, so I’d like to at least give them a fair shot.



                        I think it’s largely the playbook maybe? In addition to my personal opinion that the top tier teams and the lower tier teams aren’t differentiated in a way that I find optimal… Nothing obvious as far as stats, though I’m no expert in the engine and the behind the scenes calculations.

                        I try to avoid confirmation bias and I try to get a few games in before deciding on something(I’m not always successful) but I’m far from any kind of statistical significance or controlling variables.

                        All that said, their offense is a massive disappointment. Probably several factors involved. Throwing the ball away without pressure. Weird play calls and a strong run reliance on run plays that are largely ineffective.



                        The last part - in what way? I think maybe we’re on the same page in regards to the larger concept of teams trending to the mean, I wish I knew why and better, how to fix it.
                        Among other teams I've played, Mississippi and Jaxon Dart seemsto throw the ball away alot when I play them.
                        Talk about things nobody cares.

                        Screw Discord. Make OS Great Again.

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                        • zpq12
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 1104

                          #13
                          Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

                          Originally posted by jello1717
                          SLIDERS: ALL AMERICAN
                          USER
                          QBA 30
                          PB 70
                          WRC 50
                          RB 55
                          FUMB 38
                          PBRT 60
                          INT 20
                          PC 60
                          TACK 49

                          CPU
                          QBA 27
                          PB 60
                          WRC 50
                          RB 65
                          FUMB 35
                          PDRT 35
                          INT 20
                          PC 37
                          TACK 49

                          FGP 30
                          FGA 35
                          PP 53
                          PA 35
                          KOP 55

                          INJ 53
                          FAT 75
                          THRESH 75

                          OFFSIDES 60
                          FALSE START 75
                          HOLD 52
                          FACE MASK 80
                          DPI 99
                          BLOCK BACK 52
                          ROUGHING 51
                          What do you do with intentional grounding, and which passing style do you use?
                          UofM-Duluth Bulldogs Hockey

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                          • jello1717
                            All Star
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 5720

                            #14
                            Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

                            Originally posted by zpq12
                            What do you do with intentional grounding, and which passing style do you use?
                            I turned off illegal contact, but all other on/off penalties should be on (don’t think I knew intentional grounding was one).

                            I use classic passing style.
                            Favorite Teams:
                            College #1: Michigan Wolverines
                            College #2: Michigan State Spartans (my alma mater)
                            College #3: North Carolina Tar Heels
                            NHL: Detroit Redwings

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                            • TarHeelPhenom
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 7122

                              #15
                              Re: Oregon, why are you this way?

                              QB's throwing the ball out of bounds like that are a direct result of the Player Tendencies that we cannot change. I'm not talking rating but the Tendencies that dictate whether a QB is Aggressive with reads or Conservative, whether they throw the ball out of bounds, and how they sense pressure. I wish we could edit those, but nada.
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