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Loves the message of “making a smarter game,” but very disappointed after reading of how they’re planning to make the game “smarter”. I must be among the few (the only one?) that did not like this insights because it looks like many of you in this thread are very excited. I’ll quickly address some of the changes talked about that I’m looking forward to and some that I’m lukewarm about. But my main focus – and gripes – will once again be on defense (or lack thereof).
I’m always for giving users more options, so I like the newly inclusion of “Game Style”. Personally, I don’t think I’ll even touch “Game Style” since I love adjusting the sliders to closely fit the way I want to play the game. Nonetheless, I see this feature as being useful for those who don’t like to spend a lot of time messing with sliders. I’m also excited about the added Tendencies, especially the Touches tendency. Stars and superstars just don’t touch the ball enough in all previous NBA 2K games. Their Usage Rates need to increase dramatically to get the sense of them dominating the game. The rest I’m either lukewarm about or don’t understand how the changes will affect gameplay yet.
Now onto my gripes. Take a look at this insights:
This insights was written last year for 2K10! I call B.S. on any of this ever came to fruition in 2K10. In fact, I would say 2K10 was easier to score in the paint than previous NBA 2K games. I'd be very excited if the same was said for 2K11, but only this time mean it. By far the biggest problem for the NBA 2K franchise has been DEFENSE, DEFENSE, and some more DEFENSE. And in the paint defense is the biggest culprit for the defensive woes. It is ridiculously easy to thread the needle in the paint every time to a big man and have him score the basket 80%+ of the time. I can use a center with the lowest passing rating and still rack up assists by passing the ball on a dime to a player streaking to the basket or just passing it to the unguarded big man in the paint. It is ridiculous when I can easily score 90% of all my points in the paint. In the NBA, you’d have to play a very lousy defensive team to even score close to 40% of your points in the paint. The unbelievably accurate lead pass (by every player, not just the players with high passing ratings) and the stupidity of the AI defenders to not put a hand on their man in the paint is squarely to blame for this. Offball contact in the paint is much needed. Don't let offensive players roam in the paint willy nilly.
And please, not every big man is a Chris Paul when it comes to passing. Hell, not any player is Chris Paul when it comes to passing (not even Kidd). While I’m complaining about big men with point guard skills, how about totally making them useless with all the fancy ball handling? When was the last time Yao Ming dribble in traffic getting past defenders for a basket? In NBA 2K, at will. Let’s face it, the bigs have their advantage in height, not skills!
Defense (in the paint) and lead passing are the glaring problems and this year’s insights on defense is this:
Preventing the ball handler from penetrating is not and has never been a problem. If it is a problem, it is that the defender are too well able to prevent the ball handler from penetrating. Shaq or Yao being able to stay with Chris Paul on the perimeter is an example. However, preventing the ball handler from getting to the hoop continues to be a major problem. There’s a fine and very important distinction there. As noted by 2K game developer himself, even the best perimeter defender cannot stop his man from going past him. What separates a great perimeter defender from an average one is he can slow down his man enough to allow help defense to come over in time to prevent the ball handler from getting to the basket. Perimeter defense is fine the way it is now. It is the help defense that is the problem. Make it so that the ball handlers are worry of drawing a charge when they take it to the basket. Make it so that the ball handlers are worry of the help defense coming over sending the ball to the fifth row. As it is right now, there is hardly charges drawn in the paint or any shot blocking from help defense.
Fix the help defense, especially in the paint defense. Completely re-work the lead pass and ball handling so that playmakers are appreciated for their skills and likewise finishers for theirs. Everything else is just spraying cologne on turd.
Sorry it is so long. I still have got a lot more gripes and suggestions, but done for now.
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I agree with everything you said. Another insight in 2K10 that was not true(perhaps it was a programming issue).
http://community.2ksports.com/commun...id=987609&l=11
With regards to lead passing, pick-and-roll defense/lack of off-ball contact:
How to fix the Lead Pass/Make it Realistic
My ultimate Sim wishlist:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...shlist-54.html Post #539 and 540 Tell me what you think.
2K10 would've been an amazing game if offball defense was more physical/realistic(putting a hand on their man), AI CPU were able to do canimation blocks like human users(Draft Combine had this) and lots of little glitches were fixed(AI CPU backcourt violations/AI CPU getting stuck in baseline areas/baseline layups not initiating any contact/etc).
But I have extremely high hopes for 2K11. The reason is this:
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I'm wondering if 2K11 will finally include a simple animation of offball defenders 'putting a hand on the man he is guarding' especially within 15 feet? This occurs all the time in the NBA.
This will prevent cheap backdoor cuts/lead pass as well as providing some resistance when players try and cut to the rim.
First basketball video game to implement this animation will go a long way in the Sim department.
Also the lead pass needs to be toned down. Currently it is too fast and accurate. Needs to be fixed in two ways.
1. Lead pass is slow but accurate.
2. Lead pass is fast but not as accurate(have to gather to catch the ball).
For more info on this: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...realistic.html
Also the ultimate Sim wishlist. I posted this also on 2K Sports forums and also PM'd it to SimBaller here on OperationSports. He hasn't replied to me yet.
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...shlist-54.html Post #539 and 540.
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Since I don't want Da-Czar calling me out again(he wrote that I post the same things too often
) I will end it with this:
With Michael Jordan on the cover, Mike Wang back(Beluba) and the 2K staff reading my ultimate Sim wishlist, I honestly believe 2K11 will be an all-time great.
08-08-2010, 11:55 AM
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