I'll just say after reading the article, I simply cannot agree more about Highsmith, when I first seen the reveal for him, I couldn't believe it..after the year he had last year I knew he was rated too low.
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Daniel Jones was dead last in the NFL in average depth of target in 2022 among quarterbacks who dropped back to pass at least 150 times. That's every starter and several backups more aggressive and able to push the ball down the field than Jones. Among quarterbacks with at least 380 pass drops, PFF credited Jones with fully 7 "big-time throws"; PFF defines a big-time throw as "a pass with excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window". Only Matt Ryan had fewer among the 25 quarterbacks with that many drop-backs. There is literally no argument for Jones being underrated as a passing quarterback until he actually starts consistently throwing and completing passes to receivers who run vertical routes or are in tight windows.
Elsewhere, Alex Highsmith for his part didn't jump off the page as anything more than a cleanup guy taking advantage of opportunities granted to him by scheme, as I laid out previously. Additionally, PFF ranked Highsmith only 44th in their "pass rush productivity" metric; there's a lot of statistical evidence supporting the idea that Highsmith simply wasn't beating guys the way we see actual premiere edge rushers do.
Finally, three of Justin Tucker's four field goal misses in 2022 were blocked. It's difficult to fault Tucker for missing those kicks which never had a chance to go in.
I disagree that Tua, Nuk Hopkins, and Zach Ertz are rated too high. Tua seems to be just right if you actually breakdown why his overall is that high, it's simple answer: Madden doesn't weigh the INJURY and TOUGHNESS ratings into the overalls (at least not enough to truly matter). As for Hopkins and Ertz, both players have proven to be among the best at their position when they've been able to play. You can't hold availability too far over their heads, at least when it comes to discussing Madden overall ratings.
On the underrated side, I couldn't agree more with Highsmith, DJ Reed, and Tyler Allgeier. I also consider players like JK Dobbins, Evan Engram, Jeffrey Simmons, Khalil Herbert, David Long Jr. (MIA), Derrick Brown, Dre'Mont Jones, Nico Collins, Zion Johnson, Rhamondre Stevenson, Jaylon Johnson, and Taloana Hufunga are super underrated in this year's version of the game while guys like Dak Prescott, Devante Parker, Nelson Agholor, Chandler Jones, Isaiah Oliver, Deion Jones, Hunter Renfrow, Chase Young, Dalvin Cook, and Cesar Ruiz are much higher than I'd rate them. Those are just off the top of my head, too.
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Daniel Jones was dead last in the NFL in average depth of target in 2022 among quarterbacks who dropped back to pass at least 150 times. That's every starter and several backups more aggressive and able to push the ball down the field than Jones. Among quarterbacks with at least 380 pass drops, PFF credited Jones with fully 7 "big-time throws"; PFF defines a big-time throw as "a pass with excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window". Only Matt Ryan had fewer among the 25 quarterbacks with that many drop-backs. There is literally no argument for Jones being underrated as a passing quarterback until he actually starts consistently throwing and completing passes to receivers who run vertical routes or are in tight windows.
Elsewhere, Alex Highsmith for his part didn't jump off the page as anything more than a cleanup guy taking advantage of opportunities granted to him by scheme, as I laid out previously. Additionally, PFF ranked Highsmith only 44th in their "pass rush productivity" metric; there's a lot of statistical evidence supporting the idea that Highsmith simply wasn't beating guys the way we see actual premiere edge rushers do.
Finally, three of Justin Tucker's four field goal misses in 2022 were blocked. It's difficult to fault Tucker for missing those kicks which never had a chance to go in.
I'm not a Giants fan, but this seems a bit unfair. Lets compare 75 rated Jones, with 91 rated Lamar based on last years efforts. Reasonable comp given the lack of receiver support both have and their tendency to run, although Ravens had a significantly better offensive line.
I'll use percentages to compare here as Jones played 16 games, whilst Lamar played 12
Passing
Jones: 67.2% accuracy, at 6.8 YPC. 15 TD / 5 INT, so a 3:1 TD/INT ratio
Lamar: 62.3 accuracy at 6.9 YPC. 17 TD / 7 INT, so a 2.5:1 TD/INT ratio
Rushing
Jones: 708 yards, at 5.9 per carry, 7 TD in 16 games (.42 TD per game)
Lamar: 764 yards, at 6.8 per carry, 3 TD in 12 games (.25 TD per game)
How can there be a 16 point disparity between them? I get Jones doesn't attempt the big time throws, but that just never looked like their gameplan last year. Who's he going deep to? Darius Slayton? David Sills V?
I'm not a Giants fan, but this seems a bit unfair. Lets compare 75 rated Jones, with 91 rated Lamar based on last years efforts. Reasonable comp given the lack of receiver support both have and their tendency to run, although Ravens had a significantly better offensive line.
I'll use percentages to compare here as Jones played 16 games, whilst Lamar played 12
Passing
Jones: 67.2% accuracy, at 6.8 YPC. 15 TD / 5 INT, so a 3:1 TD/INT ratio
Lamar: 62.3 accuracy at 6.9 YPC. 17 TD / 7 INT, so a 2.5:1 TD/INT ratio
Rushing
Jones: 708 yards, at 5.9 per carry, 7 TD in 16 games (.42 TD per game)
Lamar: 764 yards, at 6.8 per carry, 3 TD in 12 games (.25 TD per game)
How can there be a 16 point disparity between them? I get Jones doesn't attempt the big time throws, but that just never looked like their gameplan last year. Who's he going deep to? Darius Slayton? David Sills V?
I don't think anyone is suggesting that Jones is elite, but if you look at most fantasy rankings, he is listed somewhere around 12-16. Madden has him as the 21st ranked QB. Not saying he should be 85-90, but low 80's would be a more accurate rating IMO.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that Jones is elite, but if you look at most fantasy rankings, he is listed somewhere around 12-16. Madden has him as the 21st ranked QB. Not saying he should be 85-90, but low 80's would be a more accurate rating IMO.
Cmon man... Fantasy rankings? Of all the ways to evaluate a player, you've gotta know that fantasy value is the most meaningless. Fantasy is about stats and with QB's it's usually about rushing stats.
Justin Fields is a pathetic QB but a good runner and that makes him a top 5-10 QB for most rankings this year. I don't think you'll find a single Bears fan saying JF is a top 5-10 QB in the league. Most of them wanted him traded this offseason so they could pick Bryce Young in the draft to replace him. Daniel Jones is a very effective runner which adds to his fantasy value, but that doesn't make him a good QB.
Cmon man... Fantasy rankings? Of all the ways to evaluate a player, you've gotta know that fantasy value is the most meaningless. Fantasy is about stats and with QB's it's usually about rushing stats.
Justin Fields is a pathetic QB but a good runner and that makes him a top 5-10 QB for most rankings this year. I don't think you'll find a single Bears fan saying JF is a top 5-10 QB in the league. Most of them wanted him traded this offseason so they could pick Bryce Young in the draft to replace him. Daniel Jones is a very effective runner which adds to his fantasy value, but that doesn't make him a good QB.
Jones proved last year that he was more than just a good running QB. His decision making was much improved, as was his pocket presence. And he cut down on the mistakes as well. Again, not saying he is a top 10 QB, but he is certainly trending in the right direction. And Madden having him as a 75 to start 2023 totally discounts the strides he made in 2022. But it's all good. Barring injury, he'll be in the 80's before the end of the year.
Not even a Redski…..err… commanders fan. But how about Daron Payne? Guys a 320 pound tackle who had 11.5 sacks last year and is rated almost 10 overall points lower than teammate Johnathan Allen at 83 overall. Maddens ratings are the most suspect this year they have been in a long time
Jones proved last year that he was more than just a good running QB. His decision making was much improved, as was his pocket presence. And he cut down on the mistakes as well. Again, not saying he is a top 10 QB, but he is certainly trending in the right direction. And Madden having him as a 75 to start 2023 totally discounts the strides he made in 2022. But it's all good. Barring injury, he'll be in the 80's before the end of the year.
Yes. In my opinion jones being rated anything less than an 80 is weird
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