Cowher's Sunday Night Football sliders

[Kramer5150]

Hey guys,I'm going to jump back into the slider madness this year,I took some time off from working on Madden sliders,but I feel this year just may be different.
I'm going to be looking at different facets of the game,and will release a base set first,from there hopefully I'll get enough support and testers to fine tune these into the best around.

I know what I'm looking for and hoping to accomplish,and if some of my ideas pan out,you're going to see sliders that look awkward...that will make you say "WTF" there's no way that will work. Trust me guys,I will do everything and anything possible (within the realms of the game) to make sure I get these as close to perfection as I can.

I am going to be doing these on All-Pro,so hopefully with all the other slider creators,everybody will have their favorite set to pick from.

Stay tuned............

These were designed for online CC,so I'm not sure how these will play offline. I wanted the benefit of server side tuning's,so that it why I decided to go online with a single player online CC.

**Update**
Beta sliders version 1

Changes in red

GAME OPTIONS
SKILL LEVEL - All-Pro
PLAYCALL - User preference
QUARTER LENGTH - 15 Minutes
MINIMUM PLAY CLOCK TIME -13
AUTO STRAFE - On
AUTO SPRINT - Off
INJURIES - 50
FATIGUE - 55
GAME SPEED - Very Slow
MIN SPEED THRESHOLD - 50 30

PLAYER SKILL
PASSING
QB Accuracy - 5
Pass Blocking - 0
WR Catching - 40

RUSHING
Broken Tackles - 25
Run Blocking - 15
Fumbles - 25

PASS DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 40 50 For some reason at 75,the cpu couldn't run the ball against me
Interceptions - 30 35 my db's had butter fingers at 30
Pass Rushing - 80

RUSH DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 20 0 with threshold higher,the cpu has a nice running game
Block Shedding - 34 5 same as above Lowered this a bit to open up cpu running game
Tackling - 25 5 the cpu will now usually shed the first block

CPU SKILL
PASSING
QB Accuracy - 60
Pass Blocking - 0
WR Catching - 45

RUSHING
Broken Tackles - 75
Run Blocking - 90
Fumbles - 25

PASS DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 95
Interceptions - 65
Pass Rushing - 50 90 This is the big one,raised because I was having to much time in the pocket,and will force you to use checkdown routes,as well as blocking assignments

RUSH DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 90
Block Shedding - 75
Tackling - 25

SPECIAL TEAMS
FG Power - 50
FG Accuracy - 45
Punt Power - 50
Punt Accuracy - 50
Kickoff Power - 50

Update as of 9-15. These are the sliders that I have been currently using. There are quite a few changes,so if you have any question,please feel free to ask away,as well as feedback...good or bad,It's greatly appreciated.


PLAYER SKILL
PASSING
QB Accuracy -5
Pass Blocking - 0
WR Catching - 50

RUSHING
Broken Tackles - 0
Run Blocking -0
Fumbles -0

PASS DEFENSE
Reaction Time -50
Interceptions - 35
Pass Rushing - 0

RUSH DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 8
Block Shedding -8
Tackling - 4

CPU SKILL
PASSING
QB Accuracy - 75
Pass Blocking - 0
WR Catching - 55

RUSHING
Broken Tackles - 100
Run Blocking - 100
Fumbles - 4

PASS DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 45
Interceptions - 35
Pass Rushing - 0

RUSH DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 80
Block Shedding -75
Tackling - 0

Update as of 9-18. I have started playing pro with some ideas from 3 other folks,along with a few tweaks of my own. I hope you get the same results as I have. Special thanks to Mooch,phukwiddit and Jaredlib. These are still used on very slow

PLAYER SKILL
PASSING
QB Accuracy - 5
Pass Blocking - 73
WR Catching - 40

RUSHING
Broken Tackles - 75
Run Blocking - 25
Fumbles - 20

PASS DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 50
Interceptions - 25
Pass Rushing - 50

RUSH DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 50
Block Shedding - 1
Tackling - 1

CPU SKILL
PASSING
QB Accuracy - 75
Pass Blocking - 87
WR Catching - 75

RUSHING
Broken Tackles - 75
Run Blocking - 75
Fumbles - 25

PASS DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 47
Interceptions - 50
Pass Rushing - 95

RUSH DEFENSE
Reaction Time - 75
Block Shedding - 75
Tackling - 75

PENALTIES:

Offside- 70
False Start- 54
Holding- 55
Face Mask- 54
OPI- 55
DPI- 99
PCI- 50
Clipping-35
Intentional Grounding-50
Roughing the Passer- 50
Roughing the Kicker- 25


Penalty sliders I have left out because I feel it's user preference as to how many each person wants to see...and besides that,some don't get called no matter how high you set it anyway..lol

Also as far as auto subs go,with the increase in the fatigue slider,I didn't feel like these needed to be changed.
As always....feedback is MORE than welcome,and hopefully I'll get enough testers to test these out,and see where we need to go.

Another plus and positive for playing a solo online CCM.....

Quote: Originally Posted by bcruise

As the poster of the 2 minute AI defeciences in the bug thread, I can say that it's now much improved for the online CCM. That certainly lends credence to the idea that the above quoted line is truth. I've seen it both passing when behind as well as use the kneel down in the proper situation in a few games now. Offline it remains awful, and that will probably have to wait for a certified patch.

Pittsburgh Steelers at Philadelphia Eagles
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Pittsburgh Steelers (0-0)	0	14	7	14	35
Philadelphia Eagles (0-0)	3	10	3	14	30

Team Stats Comparison
	PIT	PHI
Total Offense	489	355
Rushing Yards	218	103
Passing Yards	271	252
First Downs	14	15
Punt Return Yards	18	0
Kick Return Yards	133	138
Total Yards	640	493
Turnovers	3	1
3rd Down Converstion	10-13	2-10
4th Down Conversion	0-0	1-1
2-Point Conversion	0-0	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	3-0	1-3
Penalties	6-58	2-15
Posession Time	25:25	22:35

Pittsburgh Steelers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Leftwich 5/7 145 1 1 Batch 6/8 116 2 1 Johnson 1/2 17 0 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Dwyer 24 142 5.9 2 Redman 6 19 3.1 0 Mendenhall 5 54 10.8 0 B. Batch 2 3 1.5 0

Philadelphia Eagles PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Kafka 11/23 208 2 1 Vick 4/5 49 0 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD D. Lewis 12 56 4.6 0 McCoy 7 42 5.9 0 D. Jackson 1 3 3.0 0 Vick 1 2 2.0 0

Indianapolis Colts at Pittsburgh Steelers
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Indianapolis Colts ()	10	13	3	14	40
Pittsburgh Steelers ()	0	0	7	21	28

Team Stats Comparison
	IND	PIT
Total Offense	281	186
Rushing Yards	67	77
Passing Yards	214	109
First Downs	15	7
Punt Return Yards	10	4
Kick Return Yards	119	213
Total Yards	410	403
Turnovers	1	4
3rd Down Converstion	5-14	3-10
4th Down Conversion	1-1	2-2
2-Point Conversion	0-0	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	2-2	3-0
Penalties	8-80	8-92
Posession Time	27:08	20:52

Indianapolis Colts PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Stanton 12/19 129 1 1 Luck 8/11 93 1 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Moore 16 57 3.5 0 Brown 10 6 0.6 0 Luck 1 8 8.0 0

Pittsburgh Steelers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Leftwich 11/19 125 1 2 Roethlisberger 0/3 0 0 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Dwyer 16 51 3.1 2 Leftwich 4 15 3.7 0 Mendenhall 2 5 2.5 0

Pittsburgh Steelers at Buffalo Bills
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Pittsburgh Steelers ()	10	0	0	7	17
Buffalo Bills ()	0	0	0	3	3

Team Stats Comparison
	PIT	BUF
Total Offense	240	227
Rushing Yards	83	148
Passing Yards	145	79
First Downs	11	13
Punt Return Yards	21	10
Kick Return Yards	41	47
Total Yards	349	284
Turnovers	2	0
3rd Down Converstion	5-12	3-13
4th Down Conversion	2-2	1-2
2-Point Conversion	0-0	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	1-1	0-0
Penalties	4-40	4-40
Posession Time	21:34	26:26

Pittsburgh Steelers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Batch 9/18 116 0 2 Roethlisberger 4/5 99 1 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Dwyer 15 64 4.2 0 Mendenhall 4 9 2.2 0 B.Batch 4 8 2.0 1 C.Batch 3 4 1.3 0

Buffalo Bills PASSING C/A YDS TD INT V. Young 11/17 85 0 0 Fitzpatrick 0/1 0 0 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Spiller 16 41 2.5 0 Jackson 8 37 4.6 0 V.Young 7 57 8.1 0 Fitzpatrick 1 13 13.0 0

Final preseason game.....

Carolina Panthers at Pittsburgh Steelers
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Carolina Panthers ()	0	7	7	8	22
Pittsburgh Steelers ()	7	9	3	6	25

Team Stats Comparison
	CAR	PIT
Total Offense	311	267
Rushing Yards	118	147
Passing Yards	193	120
First Downs	7	10
Punt Return Yards	2	10
Kick Return Yards	130	90
Total Yards	443	367
Turnovers	1	1
3rd Down Converstion	2-13	3-14
4th Down Conversion	1-1	0-0
2-Point Conversion	1-1	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	0-0	1-3
Penalties	2-17	5-36
Posession Time	21:39	26:21

Carolina Panthers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT D. Anderson 9/20 197 3 0 Newton 3/6 18 0 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Stewart 13 26 1.9 0 Grant 7 20 2.8 0 Newton 2 71 35.5 0 Tolbert 1 1 1.0 0

Pittsburgh Steelers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT J.Johnson 8/14 131 0 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Redman 22 98 4.4 0 Dwyer 10 38 3.8 0 Johnson 7 6 0.8 1 Rainey 2 5 2.5 0

[Mizzou24]

What if I wanna play in Monday night?? Lol jk! I'll try em out when you get em posted.

[Kramer5150]

Have been working like crazy on the demo to get a nice base up asap. There are still some things that I don't like,but feel I'm getting real close.

I have fixed the lack of run game from the cpu,almost to the point I think I made them TO good...lol
I have also been working on user pass rush,and feel I've found a nice balance.

The area that has been giving me the most problems (so far) is the cpu qb and cpu wr. I want to get it to where overthrows and underthrows happen,and wr's will drop some passes here and there,but nothing unrealistic.

I do have a couple of ideas,which I will put to the test tonight...so we'll see.

The first base won't be up till after I get the game at the Midnight release,as I want to input what I've got so far into the retail,and see if there's any major differences.

[Kramer5150]

OK guys (if anybody's still interested..lol)
I've tried a few different sets on here,and they all suffer from the same issue...the cpu simply cannot run the ball.

I have been working on my All-Pro set,and feel I am close to releasing a base set for you guys to try. I'm going to play a few more games tonight,and see if anything needs tweaked,and if all goes well,I will release them tonight.

Remember....these will only be a base set,as I want to get the most input possible,to see where we need to go.

In my latest test,as the Steelers I was playing the Bengals,and BJGE put up 120+ yrds against my Steeler defense,so I feel the cpu running game is on point.

[ultimatefighter]

Offline CCM?

[Kramer5150]

Quote: Originally Posted by ultimatefighter

Offline CCM?

As of right now,I've been doing play now games to get them dialed in. This is where I will need the help (if you don't mind) to see if there is a major difference or not.

[ultimatefighter]

I can help test if you still need it when I get the game on Thursday. Ive heard play now and CCM sliders and testing play out differently

[Kramer5150]

Quote: Originally Posted by ultimatefighter

I can help test if you still need it when I get the game on Thursday. Ive heard play now and CCM sliders and testing play out differently

Sounds good.
I've heard about the differences also,I'm sure it's like Maddens and NCAA's of the past....play now games play out differently than franchise/dynasty.

Hopefully it won't be to bad though.