Any hope for Man Defense?

**maademperor** · 09-26-2013, 06:39 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

I've noticed the same but thought it was me (my CBs arent that good) but I found that they lock up if I manually shadow a guy with a safety....like the AI knows I'm watching and plays better or follows my lead.

I also found that getting the pass rush going helps a great deal with getting the QB to throw earlier than they should and that helps out my CBs as they are still with the WR

**filtertmp** · 09-26-2013, 07:08 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

If you play man every play the CPU will adapt and start throwing man-beating routes.. at that point it doesn't matter how good your corners are, comebacks, double moves and scramble drills will get your cbs for big yardage.

The better your corners, the better your chance of getting picks but you'll still hemorrhage yards because the cpu playcalling will attack man.

You have to mix zone into your playcalling, even if you don't do it often.

Either go with a tic-tac-toe style of playcalling to keep the CPU from attacking your man def all the time, or tweak your sliders to make it easier if you don't want to change your style.

**GoinCakeless** · 09-26-2013, 08:21 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

So you threw 4 INTs and still saw a problem with that? Check the real NFL stats....

**Sturzinator** · 09-26-2013, 08:59 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

Getting pressure on the QB is the big one in making your man coverage more effective. Mixing in some other coverages, as previously stated will also help.

It can be frustrating, but it is an improvement over the days when you could throw in a couple of FA retreads at CB and shut everybody down by simply calling a straight up 2 man under every play. EA may have just swung the pendulum a tad too far in the other direction this go around.

I am sure they will have it nailed down by Madden 50....maybe...

**allhailben7** · 09-26-2013, 10:15 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

Originally posted by GoinCakeless

So you threw 4 INTs and still saw a problem with that? Check the real NFL stats....

No. I actually have thrown 11 TDs and 6INTs through 4 games, and I have no problem with offensive turnovers... It's the fact that my defense is 32nd in the league with an 86 or 87 rating. It's probably the most physically gifted and talented "Bend but don't break" defense the league has ever seen at this point. I have 5 starters on defense rated over 90 and only 3 rated below an 86 and no one below 81. My DEs are 94 and 91 and I get 3-4 sacks per game with them and sending some safety and CB blitzes.

The problem is that my CBs can cause turnovers from time to time, but it seems to be either INT or a completion, no actual good coverage while the CPU can get some good honest coverage against me.

**allhailben7** · 09-27-2013, 01:27 AM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

Tried again, with CPU QB Acc at 11.

Used my custom playbook this time. Switched up defenses, running man-to-man, man blitzes, overload blitzes, zone blitzes and almost every type of zone out of 4-3, 2-3-6, Dime, Nickel (PSYCHO, NASCAR, 3DE, 4-1-6)...

Roethlisberger this time: 28-39, 405 yards, 2TD 2INT and got sacked 4 times. One TD was on a Hail Mary in garbage time... other than that, he was 27-38, 348 yards 1TD 2INT.

Haden was constantly getting beat by Heath Miller in heavier formations, yet got an INT in press coverage... Actually press coverage did wonders at the end of the game, as long as I user'd Tim Jennings, who is a 68 Press. This was the only defense that really worked as the other INT came as I switched to an out of position safety as Big Ben was about to hit a 30 yard bomb against cover 6, zones to sidelines. Dude had only the safety near him, who barely made it there from 15-20 yards away for a great clutch INT.

**Robrain** · 09-27-2013, 07:51 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

Against the CPU on All Pro I run the Nickel / Wide 9 , down once, middle play. From the Seahawks playbook.

Not sure what it is off the top of my head (some kind of Press coverage play), but it's one safety (SS I think) deep and another covering the short middle area about 10-15 yards deep. I alternate ushering the different safeties, including mixing in blitzes usering them. It takes some getting used to, and the biggest thing you have to fear from the CPU is the 10 yard Go Route when they magically toast your 90+ overall Press / Man CB.

Usually figure out who their #1 WR is and post your safety over the top off him to help greatly reduce that BS.

It's pretty great at stopping most running plays if you react with the safety fast enough and have good DTs/DEs. You don't need pass rushers to stop the run from this formation.

**allhailben7** · 09-28-2013, 07:38 AM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

I realize that doing dime press plays work with the sliders I have now...

Tim Jennings still gets burned, although with practices and 3INTs his press is now up to 79. Man is still at 91.

Got burned on a 78 yard and 40 yard pass plays by Torrey Smith.4 quickly learned that pressing him with the bigger Trumaine Johnson was more effective that going 3-press, Jennings backed off, even though he should still cover well backed up.

Caught 1 pass for 8 yards the rest of the game, including an INT by Johnson.
I started to use my own custom man blitz/multiple playbook as I have some good hybrid DE/LBs and DT/DEs now.

Decided to try penalty only sliders with default skills and I can dominate against lesser teams and get in dog fights with good teams, so all is good now.

**DerekHupp** · 09-28-2013, 09:16 AM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

If you DBs are so good at man then you should be able to blitz 7 often, sometimes more when the CPU keeps TEs/RB in to pass block.
but screen plays will prolly torch you

Are all your DBs fast aswell? If they are slow then their going to get burnt no matter their man cvg

Madden AI is def improved, you cant just rely on one defense/coverage all game, the CPU will adjust and will call players to counter your defense.
You have to mix it up, just as coaches must do in the real NFL

**NicVirtue** · 09-28-2013, 12:03 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

I actually find Man defense to be over powered if you have the right DB's. I'm in an online CFM & all of my friends DB's have 90+ speed, 90+ man coverage, and all he runs is 2 man under out the Dollar formation, with a spy in the middle. My WR's are never open until after they run their routs.

**DerekHupp** · 09-28-2013, 12:18 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

Originally posted by NicVirtue

I actually find Man defense to be over powered if you have the right DB's. I'm in an online CFM & all of my friends DB's have 90+ speed, 90+ man coverage, and all he runs is 2 man under out the Dollar formation, with a spy in the middle. My WR's are never open until after they run their routs.

Do you ever run the ball?
You should be averaging 8 yds a carry against this defense...

if he is playing man with a 3 man rush with 2 over the top and a qb spy, slants, crossing routes, comebacks, wr and rb screens, option or qb run (if qb has speed)...
if hes playing press and you have a decent wr run the go route sideline, throw the ball bullet pass just as your wr is breaking the press. safety will be coming but there is a window. 10-12 yard gain
if you running 5 routes always send 1 guy on each side of the field deep, this will ensure 1 on 1s on your crossing routes, unless all your guys are slow you will see plenty of open routes to hit for 8-12 yard gains
quick wr screens should esp wreck this defense

you should be able to slaughter this defense both on the ground and in the air

**Find_the_Door** · 09-28-2013, 12:57 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

Originally posted by DerekHupp

Do you ever run the ball?
You should be averaging 8 yds a carry against this defense...

if he is playing man with a 3 man rush with 2 over the top and a qb spy, slants, crossing routes, comebacks, wr and rb screens, option or qb run (if qb has speed)...
if hes playing press and you have a decent wr run the go route sideline, throw the ball bullet pass just as your wr is breaking the press. safety will be coming but there is a window. 10-12 yard gain
if you running 5 routes always send 1 guy on each side of the field deep, this will ensure 1 on 1s on your crossing routes, unless all your guys are slow you will see plenty of open routes to hit for 8-12 yard gains
quick wr screens should esp wreck this defense

you should be able to slaughter this defense both on the ground and in the air

Not when they show blitz - it's impossible. Your players never get open (even with slants) what's worse is when they spam BPR with this resulting in your receivers getting jammed for 3+ seconds.

**NicVirtue** · 09-28-2013, 01:16 PM

Re: Any hope for Man Defense?

Originally posted by DerekHupp

Do you ever run the ball?
You should be averaging 8 yds a carry against this defense...

if he is playing man with a 3 man rush with 2 over the top and a qb spy, slants, crossing routes, comebacks, wr and rb screens, option or qb run (if qb has speed)...
if hes playing press and you have a decent wr run the go route sideline, throw the ball bullet pass just as your wr is breaking the press. safety will be coming but there is a window. 10-12 yard gain
if you running 5 routes always send 1 guy on each side of the field deep, this will ensure 1 on 1s on your crossing routes, unless all your guys are slow you will see plenty of open routes to hit for 8-12 yard gains
quick wr screens should esp wreck this defense

you should be able to slaughter this defense both on the ground and in the air

It doesn't really matter whether its a run or pass, because he runs man coverage every play regardless, out of formations that match up DB's against TE's. Might I add that our league is a fantasy draft league with ncaa imported draft classes. His defense is stacked, so when he runs man coverage, I just choose plays with double move routs that literally always beat it. I hate to have to do that cause it's so cheesy, but if I don't ALL of my receivers will be locked down AND I can't scramble with RG3 due to spying LB's.

So basically due to his abuse of man coverage with his defense, I literally run the same play all game to counter it.

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