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  • simbayless
    MVP
    • May 2011
    • 1894

    #1

    Please make all pro more challenging!

    I hate the fact that every year they say all-pro is challeging but then u get used to the game and it becomes too easy,so I have to move to all-madden.The problem with that is all-madden cheats and all teams have unrealistic blitzes every other down ect.. The game becomes boring after that and I end up shelving the game for basketball,hell EA should take note even on (NBA2K)their easy levels are challenging,the only level that should only be easy is on rookie and anything after should be super challenging.I feel should make one more level behind all-madden.
  • extremeskins04
    That's top class!
    • Aug 2010
    • 3803

    #2
    Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

    Originally posted by simbayless
    I hate the fact that every year they say all-pro is challeging but then u get used to the game and it becomes too easy,so I have to move to all-madden.The problem with that is all-madden cheats and all teams have unrealistic blitzes every other down ect.. The game becomes boring after that and I end up shelving the game for basketball,hell EA should take note even on (NBA2K)their easy levels are challenging,the only level that should only be easy is on rookie and anything after should be super challenging.I feel should make one more level behind all-madden.
    I'm a bit confused. It's like you want the game more of a challenge cause one difficulty setting is too easy but when you change the difficulty, the cpu is cheating.

    What about sliders? Like, what kind of difficulty are you looking for exactly?

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    • simbayless
      MVP
      • May 2011
      • 1894

      #3
      Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

      Originally posted by extremeskins04
      I'm a bit confused. It's like you want the game more of a challenge cause one difficulty setting is too easy but when you change the difficulty, the cpu is cheating.

      What about sliders? Like, what kind of difficulty are you looking for exactly?


      Make the cpu running&passing game more harder to stop,better ai defense&offense calling for example,If the cpu has a dominating rated defense then it should be challenging to score,if the cpu has a power high scoring offense it should be hard to stop not cheat on All madden and sliders doesnt fix that.

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      • roadman
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2003
        • 26431

        #4
        Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

        Originally posted by simbayless
        Make the cpu running&passing game more harder to stop,better ai defense&offense calling for example,If the cpu has a dominating rated defense then it should be challenging to score,if the cpu has a power high scoring offense it should be hard to stop not cheat on All madden and sliders doesnt fix that.
        Based on the information shared so far, if you play on simulation mode, you should get what you are asking for.

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        • extremeskins04
          That's top class!
          • Aug 2010
          • 3803

          #5
          Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

          Originally posted by simbayless
          Make the cpu running&passing game more harder to stop,better ai defense&offense calling for example,If the cpu has a dominating rated defense then it should be challenging to score,if the cpu has a power high scoring offense it should be hard to stop not cheat on All madden and sliders doesnt fix that.
          Set it to All Pro and then adjust sliders. There are a few good slider sets out there that make the game more of a challenge but stay within realism.

          I HIGHLY recommend JoshC's slider set. Make sure you read his slider thread as he explains why he sets the sliders the way he does.

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          • SyncereBlackout
            Rookie
            • Aug 2014
            • 829

            #6
            Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

            Originally posted by extremeskins04
            I'm a bit confused. It's like you want the game more of a challenge cause one difficulty setting is too easy but when you change the difficulty, the cpu is cheating.



            What about sliders? Like, what kind of difficulty are you looking for exactly?


            Sliders are how we cope with OPs problem.

            Adjusting sliders has a material adverse impact on tuning since the game is tuned on/for all pro (default sliders).

            It would be nice if they ditched "rookie" and only had 3 difficulty settings. Maybe this will also prevent all madden from being CPU god mode.


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            • ForUntoOblivionSoarโˆž
              MVP
              • Dec 2009
              • 4691

              #7
              Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

              Originally posted by extremeskins04
              Set it to All Pro and then adjust sliders. There are a few good slider sets out there that make the game more of a challenge but stay within realism.

              I HIGHLY recommend JoshC's slider set. Make sure you read his slider thread as he explains why he sets the sliders the way he does.
              To be honest in my experience that isn't enough.

              One problem with All Pro that I don't think sliders fixes is that the CPU doesn't seem to disguise coverages and blitzes the same way it does on All Madden.

              Another problem is that the user'd player gets a ratings (or dice roll) boost, which makes the game less challenging (this may not be a problem in Madden 18).


              To be honest, no one uses Pro anymore (well, few people), so why not up it's difficulty so those currently using default All Pro can move down a rank so people can play a challenging but realistic game, while those who want ultra cheese challenge can still get it on All Madden? I agree with the OP and then some: I think All Pro should be harder, and Pro should be harder, and those Rookie should be left alone (or whatever it's called now).

              As for both All Pro and All Madden, I would love the AI to be tweaked so that your fast WRs aren't put into single press coverage by slow cornerbacks, and things of that nature, but that's a different topic.
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              • jfsolo
                Live Action, please?
                • May 2003
                • 12992

                #8
                Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

                IMO, it's going to come down to 3 core issues:

                1. CPU QB AI- will the CPU QB recognize mismatches, challenge the defense with more intermediate and deep throws and be able to be composed against and reasonably escape from quick pressure.

                2. CPU Play calling- Can the CPU use all of their playbook on offense, playing to the strength of their personnel, while at the same time not being too predictable. On defense can the CPU call plays to protect their weaker players in coverage, and recognize when it is the proper situation for pressing, all out blitzing, and using cover zero.

                3. CPU adaptability- How quickly, if at all, can the CPU adjust to repetitive and/or overly effective User tactics.

                Some of these things can of course be ameliorated with sliders and other machinations, i.e., swapping out CPU playbooks, but a lot of this is outside of the Users control.
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                • mtmetcalfe
                  Rookie
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 483

                  #9
                  Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

                  Originally posted by extremeskins04
                  Set it to All Pro and then adjust sliders. There are a few good slider sets out there that make the game more of a challenge but stay within realism.

                  I HIGHLY recommend JoshC's slider set. Make sure you read his slider thread as he explains why he sets the sliders the way he does.
                  Isn't Josh's slider the same as the default all pro sliders? I don't think that would help OP achieve the difficulty level he's searching for.

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                  • extremeskins04
                    That's top class!
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 3803

                    #10
                    Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

                    So you're wanting to make All Madden less cheese, but make All Pro more challenging because you as a player have gotten better at the game so it's too easy for you now.

                    Like maybe I'm still not getting it. Can't you just change sliders on All Pro? or even go to All Madden and change the sliders there to make it not so "cheating-like"?

                    As it is right now, default All-Pro gives the best games as far as realistic stats with a realistic amount of int's, sacks, tackles per game, pancakes, etc etc.

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                    • Dj_MyTime
                      Pro
                      • May 2012
                      • 617

                      #11
                      Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

                      All-Pro too easy

                      All-Madden too hard

                      That's all I took from this, personally All-Madden has never been an issue.
                      The Impact of User vs User Sliders In CFM 5.0*

                      http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2047473988

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                      • roadman
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 26431

                        #12
                        Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

                        Originally posted by mtmetcalfe
                        Isn't Josh's slider the same as the default all pro sliders? I don't think that would help OP achieve the difficulty level he's searching for.
                        I haven't played in awhile, but wasn't one of the settings AM?

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                        • yotileintruder1
                          Rookie
                          • Jul 2017
                          • 57

                          #13
                          Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

                          Originally posted by roadman
                          Based on the information shared so far, if you play on simulation mode, you should get what you are asking for.
                          Ive seen things said for everything you mentioned but not for a.i., we're you talking about that part in your reply? What did you hear about it?

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                          • timhere1970
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 1825

                            #14
                            Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

                            I want players to play to their ratings but I want to be Abel to adjust the cpu AI to set the difficulty. Especially cpu qb but also defense. I am no AI expert but it seems sports games in general are way behind where the technology is. Am I wrong? Expecting too much?

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                            • roadman
                              *ll St*r
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 26431

                              #15
                              Re: Please make all pro more challenging!

                              Originally posted by yotileintruder1
                              Ive seen things said for everything you mentioned but not for a.i., we're you talking about that part in your reply? What did you hear about it?
                              Coaching adjustments are also used by the AI.

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