05:13 PM - May 30, 2008 by sva91Madden 09 News Post
05:13 PM - May 30, 2008 by sva91Madden NFL 09 Videos
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OK I have some problems with these videos. Some that probably has nothing to do with it being Pre-beta. First off they are all "Madden Moments", meaning they are chances to replay parts of games from last year, BUT they are using the current rosters. That takes away so much authenticity from these "Moments." It should be Favre leading the Packers not Aaron Rodgers, and Ronnie Brown shouldn't even be on the field for Miami, for the Panthers the screen shows a big picture of David Carr because he actually led the winning drive in that game, but you play with Delhomme. Thats BS, very poorly done if it isn't changed by release. Also there is NO excitement whatsoever by the announcers or players after the game winning TD's/FG. Its so sad, I know its never been in these games but there really isn't any reason to not include some damn emotion and excitement when a team wins on a TD/FG. Again takes away from the authenticity of the moment. Both need to be fixed, but I believe neither will.
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BrianFifaFan @ 05/30/08 07:03 PM
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Edit: you can contribute to the existing threads. It's not like Madden has been dissected a ton in these various threads, and the newest post is probably the one he's gonna see first. :
I love the game winning TD at the end of the Dolphins vid and yet one friggen guy celebrates. In the end, the reciever who scores is all alone like nothing ever happened. This is what drives me crazy. The crowd should go nuts and at least half the O should be shown celebrating. *sigh* Or give us a friggen little sidline cut scene....
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blackngoldfan @ 05/30/08 07:43 PM
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:25 1st down reception
:57 gradual noise increase for 4 yard gain
1:19 1st down reception
1:38 TD reception
To be honest, there shouldn't have been that many fans in the stadium to begin with being that the dolphins had no wins.
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spankdatazz22 @ 05/30/08 09:09 PM
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SteelerSpartan @ 05/30/08 09:18 PM
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, I agree as long as it isn't baseless and you clearly state your point
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blackngoldfan @ 05/30/08 09:42 PM
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spankdatazz22 @ 05/30/08 09:43 PM
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It's still Madden. For me, that's not a terrible thing, it's just not much different. I do like how the game appears to have a little better momentum with player movement, but ti's still too twitchy. Blockers still have that robotic shift where they just don't look human. It's the sliding issue that has plagued this engine for way too long.
I appreciate what EA is doing with coming on the boards and giving information, but let's be honest, remember when we were told for next-gen the game was built from the ground up? Isn't it interesting that they are now talking about replacing an animation engine that the game has been using for a very long period of time?
I appreciate what EA is doing with coming on the boards and giving information, but let's be honest, remember when we were told for next-gen the game was built from the ground up? Isn't it interesting that they are now talking about replacing an animation engine that the game has been using for a very long period of time?
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2k5 gets the credit it deserves....but what would 2k8 look like?.....just look at LBz posts about how VC F'd up that game from 2k3 to 2k8
hell they F'd up my bills 'field turf' texture form 2k4 to 2k5...how they HELL does that happen
EA knows their flaws. you'd have to be an absolute moron after visiting this site for 10 minutes not to get the gist of the flaws yet people keep 'enlightening' us with their knowledge of poor OL/DL play...no DB/WR interactions....chain gangs....ref's..
crticize?...absolutely but damn...anything new?!
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I would hope to think some people can feel that Ian's presence here is a step in the right direction. As he stated before, he knew he was stepping into the Lions Den.
There isn't much we can change with the past, but as Brian said, we can become part of the future and start to solve some of the solutions that has plagued this series.
That doesn't mean EA/Ian and the team don't have much to prove. I'll be the first one screaming if there are bugs found that interfere with gameplay.
I feel everyone wants the best football game as possible. The game probably goes gold within the next 6-8 weeks.
People have a right to say prove it, etcc.. based on Madden's past, I guess the proof will be in the pudding this August and each August after that.
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countryboy @ 05/30/08 10:49 PM
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I think the best thing that I heard Ian say is that he's "not here to sell the version of Madden he is building, but rather have us help him build the Madden that we want."
Again, I don't think that anyone is saying that Madden shouldn't be criticized. But I think that constructive criticism would go further than the "2K is better/superior than Madden, then end" types of posts.
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BrianFifaFan @ 05/30/08 11:01 PM
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Now I want it to be known that I might just be a tad defensive of some of the direct criticism of Ian, But I'm one of the guys who invited him over here to see how knowledgable the guys are over here. And how this is a goldmine of info, which it has been. So yeah, I guess some of these posts that are just gripes and complaints with nothing to add except divisiveness do make me compelled to type a
. And I'll grant the validity of said gripes, especially because of the fact that I've brought a lot of them up myself. But here we sit with a real-live developer who seems to actually want to engage us in dialog and guys can't even give him his due respect. They use him as a sounding board to vent. Or ask him multiple inane questions that are totally out of the realm of what he said he is responsible for and wanting to deal with. (gameplay) All I know is that 2 weeks ago I was getting told to "shut up" about Madden, that is was never gonna change, EA doesn't care about us as much as the casual audience, it's all money and like it or lump it. Boy were the critics wrong. And as much as I would like to go into "I told you so" mode, instead I'm trying to be a part of this golden opportunity. It's not about me and feeling special or wanting to try to boss folk around, playing internet "tough." I'm just saying that guys "it is what it is." We can't make the game something it ain't. Not this year, at least. But damn, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Ian isn't anyone but Ian. He isn't David Ortiz or a suit from EA. Or the guy who won't put in a halftime show. He's someone like us, who's trying to help. And if people took the time to inform/educate themselves before shooting from the hip and lip, maybe he'll want to stay around for a while.....
But I'm sure someone will take umbrage at my playing "forum police." And being preachy. When and if he gets tired of the critics to the point of leaving and feels this place has nothing to offer, then I'll say "I told you so......"
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we could continue to critisize them, but now that they seemingly are listening , suggestions would go alot further
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countryboy @ 05/30/08 11:06 PM
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You get 4
because there isn't one for a standing ovation. Terrific post.
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U WATCH YOUR MOUTH MISTER!!
first of all, great posts brian and teedog
we must realize what is going on right now. our voices can be heard. we have people from EA here listening to us. telling Ian that "2k5 is better than madden" is not going to make madden a better game. threads like the WR/DB and oline/d-line discussions is what will get us what we want which is "for madden to be better than 2k5".
what incentive does Ian have for bringing his other co-workers who work on the other parts of the game here to talk with us if its just going to be telling them they suck and should be fired?? or that u like a four year old game bettter than any next gen madden?? thats not helping anything or anyone.
telling an overweight person that thier fat and look like a hippo is not going to make them want to lose weight, but showing them the right way to eat and working with them just might change thier ways.
we must realize what is going on right now. our voices can be heard. we have people from EA here listening to us. telling Ian that "2k5 is better than madden" is not going to make madden a better game. threads like the WR/DB and oline/d-line discussions is what will get us what we want which is "for madden to be better than 2k5".
what incentive does Ian have for bringing his other co-workers who work on the other parts of the game here to talk with us if its just going to be telling them they suck and should be fired?? or that u like a four year old game bettter than any next gen madden?? thats not helping anything or anyone.
telling an overweight person that thier fat and look like a hippo is not going to make them want to lose weight, but showing them the right way to eat and working with them just might change thier ways.
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spankdatazz22 @ 05/31/08 10:29 AM
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What I'm seeing is "Now that Ian's here, we shouldn't complain like we used to and try to help him develop the game". Isn't that what many people have been doing without his presence? I thought that was the purpose of LBz's challenge, which brought this situation in the first place. It isn't about what 2K or Madden was, or what Madden will be - it's about what Madden is, right now. Personally I've never felt Madden "is what it is, nothing we can do about it". It is what we've allowed it to be. It's the only game I can think of where people allow themselves to have that "we can't do anything" attitude.
Sorry if I appear to be all over the place w/the discussion - it's just that I don't know what we're debating. I'm happy Ian's here and he's being receptive to comments and suggestions. But because of that, does that make Madden '09 a throwaway year? Or a jump off point, where Maddens '06-'08 - and now I guess '09 - are magically forgotten?
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countryboy @ 05/31/08 10:38 AM
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