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Madden Monday: 2008 Season Simulation (IGN)

11:51 PM - July 7, 2008 by Kevin26385

IGN has posted another Madden Monday feature called 2008 Season Simulation.

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	"We started the simulation in the preseason, which resulted in two key injuries, one of which dramatically derailed the team of the player involved. Both players hurt were wideouts."

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# 21 ohyeahbaby123 @ 07/08/08 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by akademiks


	Have you ever not defended every single issue about this game?

Haha are you kidding? In most of his posts he is constructively criticizing Madden.

The Sim Engine seems fine to me.

# 22 Kevin26385 @ 07/08/08 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WDOgF0reL1fe


	Then what would you call him? A star returner? Im sure everyone wants to be labeled as that... Or a star defensive back? Oh wait... hes not very good at that

You obviously dont watch Bears football..He is not a star WR, and he is a star returner.

# 23 Kevin26385 @ 07/08/08 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alliball


	And Trent Dilfer was under center when the Ravens won a Super Bowl. Your point is? Oh wait...Grossman > Fouts Dilfer = Steve Young

My point is that the Bears dont need a good quarterback to get to the playoffs and beyond..they have proved that.

# 24 hoodlum10 @ 07/08/08 03:14 PM

1-15, come on da bears are bad but not that bad. the ratings for their defense in the game are very solid and the offense has potential. they probably wont make the playoffs but if the defense stays healthy, they will have a chance to win every game because of their d

# 25 tyronebiggums35 @ 07/08/08 03:17 PM

i say the bears will win a max of 7 games. 1-15 is a little harsh.

# 26 adembroski @ 07/08/08 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by akademiks


	Have you ever not defended every single issue about this game?

Have you ever read my posts?

I'm what I like to call "fair"

Interesting concept, eh? Care to refute anything I said in that post? Care to make an honest argument saying that what I said was wrong? S'pose not, better to call me a suck up than honestly debate me.

Want criticism? The simulation engine the past 4 years has been ****. It's been broken beyond belief on every system it exists on and it came to the point where I have no purchased Madden NextGen as yet. I had Madden 07 on the PC due to THIRD PARTY utilities that fixed some issues. I don't think it should be necessary for third parties to come in and fix fundamental aspects of Franchise mode such as the sim engine.

When the first looks at the sim engine came out (Russel05's franchise review), I was happy with the progress but wrote up a detailed post talking about the issues that still existed with it.

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Originally Posted by me


	Completion percentages are too high, completions are too short. The sim engine is throwing an inordinate amount of quick passes, leading to low receiving averages and high completion percentages. This probably also accounts for the lack of big TD numbers for QBs. Runningbacks look awesome. A bit too few carries, but not by much. If Ian or Phil are interested, I can give you exact issues with what I'm seeing if you wanna make some last minute adjustments, but this is tolerable. Looks like the 04 engine, actually. The sim engine's playcalling is a tad too conservative, but otherwise it looks okay. I'm the kind of perfectionist that once the game comes out I'm going to do extensive testing and see if I can find a way to adjust those passing and receiving numbers to the right spot anyways. If I can't, I don't mind, these are definitely tolerable.

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Originally Posted by me


	Okay, looking closer at the results and comparing to a 3 year NFL average... It is VERY difficult to make that comparison, btw, as the NFL stats tend to change drastically from year to year, and I'm only looking at the top 12. Furthermore, this is only ONE season of Madden. However, there are some real clear issues that don't require a larger sample size to figure... notably, WR yards per catch. It's very low... below what you'd expect from some tight ends in fact, even for speed receivers. Yards per attempt for QBs is off by about a half yard. Doesn't seem like much, I know, but that's 250 yards a season. It makes a difference. Consider that TEs and HBs may be getting the sort of averages per reception they should be... which we can't really tell from this... and we know that WRs are getting shafted, this is where that half yard is hitting hard. Last year the top 12 NFL quarterbacks averaged 12.02 yards per completion... these top 12 are averaging 10.15. 2 yards per completion means 2 yards per reception... the difference between T.Holt's Tight End like 13.3 YPR and a slightly better looking 15.3 YPR. This is assuming the missing yards are coming off every position equally... which I suspect, it's not. If this is anything like the currentgen sim engine (which, between the MM Manifesto and Gommo's stat fix, I've tested EXTENSIVELY) then HB and FB yards per reception are right where they should be, with TEs only slightly lower than normal... so that's even more yardage that the WRs should be picking up. So... a half yard increase in QBs YPA and about a 6% drop in completion percentage, and the stat engine would be perfect on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think that's too bad at all.

This is constructive, this is with a point. Am I bias because I chose not to use the words "Suck", "Lazy", and "Bull****"?

Fact is, this is a video game. For all it means to everyone here, it's still just a game. I don't get heated over a game, no matter how much I love it and how much I want it to be perfect.

Going into this season, I was getting an itch, but I felt like there was little hope. I went on EA Sports and posted the following, just looking for a bit of hope.

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Originally Posted by ajdembroski


	I did not buy Madden 08. I am an avid franchise player, but the franchise is virtually unplayable due to the unrealistic computer generated statistics. I have been playing '07 on PC using 3rd party add ons that correct that issue. There are many flaws I'm willing to overlook. I can see past poor draft AI, I can live with too easy a free-agency model, but when there are 4 or 5 CPU runningbacks running for 2,000+ yards a season every year, it really gets on my nerves. So I want to know: Has this issue been addressed, or are we in for another year of the same broken stat generating for simmed games in franchise mode? Quite honestly, this is the deal breaker for me. If I see stats in franchise mode in-line with real life numbers, I will buy the game. If not, I'll stick with '07 for another year. I finally got a 360, so the investment is there... please tell me you've addressed this years old problem.

Phil Frazier responded with this---

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Originally Posted by phillycheze


	While I'd love to respond to this post directly, I unfortunately must wait. Between now and August we'll respond to this question directly. I'll just leave it at that for now. The fake EA form letter was fun. Warm regards. Phil

Note this this is when Phil and Ian were just starting to hit the EA board, and hadn't touched MM or OS yet.

To me, this post is a watershed moment in EA Sports history. It's a direct response to a concern voiced by a fan. I had little hope of a response going in, but I got one, even if it was just "we'll tell ya later."

After a recent leadership change and having that new leader completely change the RP methods of EA, I am willing to give allowances.

And ultimately, the sim engine looks pretty darn good with the addition of seeing two QBs go over 4k yards and 30 TDs... including one over 40 WITHOUT Moss. It means the game IS capable of producing those big seasons. Having the Giants end up 8-8... well, if you've got an issue with that, you've got an issue with player ratings, not the sim engine.

# 27 g2thecore @ 07/08/08 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by treee


	Apparently NFC east is a power house now.

Ummmm...remember last year buddy? Giants, cowgirls and Redskins made the playoffs....The NFC East has always been a pretty good division.

# 28 g2thecore @ 07/08/08 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Guillotine 1


	Ok, I just had to reply to this. Being a Giants fan you of all people should know how tough it is to win a game vs the Cowboys. The NFC East the most competitive division in football, it has one of the richest histories in terms of playoff appearences and super bowl wins in the entire NFL, and last year three teams from that divison went to the playoffs (two of them went deep). The raining super bowl champion resides in that division, and they beat the unbeatable all world, all everything NE Patriots in a thriller to do it. I am very proud to be a Dallas Cowboys fan, I love what my team stands for. I love competing with the best the NFL has to offer twice a year, every year. And I can't stand it when other fans in our division let outsiders talk down about it. The Cowboys brought 5, count them...5 super bowls to the East. No team in the NFL has more, Steelers have just as many, but not more. I love the E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles, I love the Redskins, & I love the Giants. And above all, most I love my Dallas Cowboys. The NFC East: Welcome To The Pride!

I never thought I'd be saying this to a Cowboys fan.....but dude that was an awesome post!!! People need to start showing some respect to the NFC East man! Two thumbs up for that post!!!!

# 29 Mikey16 @ 07/08/08 05:37 PM

All you NFC East lovers did realize that the NFC South also did get two teams in the simulation (Tampa Bay and New Orleans) with one going deep in the Playoffs which I doubt the Cowboys would beat us if we ever met them in playoffs.

Go Bucs

# 30 tyronebiggums35 @ 07/08/08 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey16


	All you NFC East lovers did realize that the NFC South also did get two teams in the simulation (Tampa Bay and New Orleans) with one going deep in the Playoffs which I doubt the Cowboys would beat us if we ever met them in playoffs. Go Bucs

You really think tampa bay or new orleans could take dallas?

wow. dallas is better than both teams in nearly every category.

# 31 Mikey16 @ 07/08/08 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tyronebiggums35


	You really think tampa bay or new orleans could take dallas? wow. dallas is better than both teams in nearly every category.

As a Buc fan I can honestly say that Dallas does have a better Offense but it they defiantly don't have a better Defensive than the Bucs

# 32 tyronebiggums35 @ 07/08/08 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey16


	As a Buc fan I can honestly say that Dallas does have a better Offense but it they defiantly don't have a better Defensive than the Bucs

agree to disagree. bucs d is aging, the addition of zach thomas is a plus, demarcus ware is a beast, pacman and newman, along with tank johnson and roy williams. so much talent.

# 33 PlayaHataSupreme @ 07/08/08 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tyronebiggums35


	agree to disagree. bucs d is aging, the addition of zach thomas is a plus, demarcus ware is a beast, pacman and newman, along with tank johnson and roy williams. so much talent.

The Bucs' defense has been "aging" for years........ yet they were still 2nd in the league in yards allowed last year and allowed fewer points than the Patriots.

# 34 g2thecore @ 07/08/08 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Boregard


	The NFC East is the best division in the NFL. I hate the Eagles, Giants, and Redskins! I hate them with a passion and that hate is out of respect! 11 SB rings in the NFC East, 26% of the SBs have been won by the NFC East. The NFC East has appeared in nearly half of all the SBs, 19 of 42! I think the sim engine looks better than it has since I picked up playing Madden 2001. It is most likely far from perfect, but it is appears to be an acceptable and significant improvement (although it is a very small sampling)!!!

Believe me the Eagles hate you cowgirls just as much....but out of respect as well..lol...

# 35 Mikey16 @ 07/08/08 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tyronebiggums35


	agree to disagree. bucs d is aging, the addition of zach thomas is a plus, demarcus ware is a beast, pacman and newman, along with tank johnson and roy williams. so much talent.

Zach is old, tank is average and Roy is a liablity everytime he's in coverage but I do agree that Ware, Pacman & Newman are good and the whole thing about the bucs aging is not all that true when we do have good young players at every level...D line Adams and Haye...LBs June and Ruud...DBs Jackson, Phillips(very underrated) and Phillip Buchanon is pretty decent

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