06:12 PM - June 6, 2011 by mike10003NHL 12 News Post
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2:07 to 2:17 is actual gameplay.
From looking at those ten seconds... yeah I know...
The skating looks a little heavier, look at the way the puck carrier goes to skate through the corner. Also, look at what Crosby does, he skates hard to the high slot, then puts on the brakes to be in a great spot, open too.
From looking at those ten seconds... yeah I know...
The skating looks a little heavier, look at the way the puck carrier goes to skate through the corner. Also, look at what Crosby does, he skates hard to the high slot, then puts on the brakes to be in a great spot, open too.
Game looks pretty identical to me. The gametracker thing at the pause menu is cool though. Nice broadcast replay view. Would be a sweet playable view! (hint hint)
I'm a horrible person for doing this, but I see the skating physics haven't been fixed at all.
Look what Shultz does after he knocks down Kunitz. He skates forward, grabs the puck, then skates backwards, pivots and heads up ice.
No physics. No gravity. No realism.
I see many more games against the CPU where they fly into the corner and pull off these magical skating techniques.
I've been begging for this to be changed since 08 and it's still in there. Very disappointing.
The stat overlays look really nice though. That stuff is great.
I just wish the skating was made more realistic. It looks like the users skating is still hindered, but seeing how Shultz defied physics, methinks the CPU will still be able to pull of things the user can never think of doing. Adding more weight to the user's skating doesn't make skating more realistic.
And Kunitz is a good skater. He should feel lighter out there than some guys. If that's how Jody Shelly felt, then that would be awesome.
But I have a bad feeling the CPU players will all be waterbugs, and all the users skaters will feel like 18-wheelers on a sheet of ice.
Look what Shultz does after he knocks down Kunitz. He skates forward, grabs the puck, then skates backwards, pivots and heads up ice.
No physics. No gravity. No realism.
I see many more games against the CPU where they fly into the corner and pull off these magical skating techniques.
I've been begging for this to be changed since 08 and it's still in there. Very disappointing.
The stat overlays look really nice though. That stuff is great.
I just wish the skating was made more realistic. It looks like the users skating is still hindered, but seeing how Shultz defied physics, methinks the CPU will still be able to pull of things the user can never think of doing. Adding more weight to the user's skating doesn't make skating more realistic.
And Kunitz is a good skater. He should feel lighter out there than some guys. If that's how Jody Shelly felt, then that would be awesome.
But I have a bad feeling the CPU players will all be waterbugs, and all the users skaters will feel like 18-wheelers on a sheet of ice.
I'm a big fan of the game, so in many ways...any improvements are simply a plus. But....
I did see what Money pointed out about how the player behind the net simply slides backward, and pretty arcade like...heads up ice. [physics?] I guess I too was hoping that year two of the physic engine work, would bring about a little more realistic player movement. But again...I don't want to judge the whole game by just one kinda ugly looking moment.
Also, the Gametracker...it's pretty cool I guess. But I'm starting to get a bit concerned that the bulk of the presentation upgrades are tied into the pause button. And/or...the Winter Classic. I'm just hoping some of the presentation upgrades have found their way into the GM mode as well.
I did see what Money pointed out about how the player behind the net simply slides backward, and pretty arcade like...heads up ice. [physics?] I guess I too was hoping that year two of the physic engine work, would bring about a little more realistic player movement. But again...I don't want to judge the whole game by just one kinda ugly looking moment.
Also, the Gametracker...it's pretty cool I guess. But I'm starting to get a bit concerned that the bulk of the presentation upgrades are tied into the pause button. And/or...the Winter Classic. I'm just hoping some of the presentation upgrades have found their way into the GM mode as well.
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The Action Tracker looks great... looks like a lot of information will be available. I'm already thinking about monitoring my shooting tendencies...
With that being said, I too am disappointed with the aforementioned awkward skating seen when Schultz picks up the puck by the net. It's brief, but I'm fairly certain a person can't move like that on skates. It provides a good example of a fundamental change that could make a huge impact on how the game plays. Part of me thinks tuning the agility range could help -- think making a 90 AGL rating play more like 70 AGL -- but I think to truly fix the problem would require some deeper work on the skating physics.
Much like Money, I've been hoping for skating improvements over the past years -- you better believe I talked it to death at the NHL11 community event -- and it's the one thing that truly gets under my skin while I'm playing the game. I think I'm going to attempt to talk to Redshirt again and see what happens...
With that being said, I too am disappointed with the aforementioned awkward skating seen when Schultz picks up the puck by the net. It's brief, but I'm fairly certain a person can't move like that on skates. It provides a good example of a fundamental change that could make a huge impact on how the game plays. Part of me thinks tuning the agility range could help -- think making a 90 AGL rating play more like 70 AGL -- but I think to truly fix the problem would require some deeper work on the skating physics.
Much like Money, I've been hoping for skating improvements over the past years -- you better believe I talked it to death at the NHL11 community event -- and it's the one thing that truly gets under my skin while I'm playing the game. I think I'm going to attempt to talk to Redshirt again and see what happens...
awesome.. so the skating went untouched. the same old same again this year!!
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I think I wouldn't be that upset about it as long as the User could do the same things as the CPU. If it was even, I could live with it. But I'm tired of controlling Datsyuk, who feels like he's skating in mud, while the CPU is dancing all over the ice, and performing physically impossible moves with John Scott.
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Without really knowing the ins & outs of the "guts" of the game it's hard to say how much they can do to improve the current system through under-the-hood tuning. I'm fairly certain they could decrease the agility scale or lower the speed/acceleration of backwards skating... but can they add more "weight" to the players? Would this bring out better skating transitions and changes of direction? Who knows...
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NHL from EA Sports seems more and more to me like a 40 year old woman who seemed to have understand mens!
"Who cares about what I have to offer inside? All they care about is how I look like and how easy I am out of the box!"
Give more snow, fireworks and pause "goodies" so I can play less and less the game so I can't see the AI is dumb like hell!
"Who cares about what I have to offer inside? All they care about is how I look like and how easy I am out of the box!"
Give more snow, fireworks and pause "goodies" so I can play less and less the game so I can't see the AI is dumb like hell!
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Kaladesskel @ 06/07/11 02:41 PM
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If she tells me my action aren't right in some situation and I would come home with a new pair of shoes, I'm not sure it would make it.
If she tells me that I'm always making exact same mistakes and my answer is starting to making it less often but making new ones, I'm not sure it would make it.
If she tells me that she hate the way I hit every wall in the house when I'm angry and my answer is that I will hit the wall but will do it in a more real way, I'm not sure it would make it.
I hope I'm wrong with NHL 12, but if the Winter Classic, presentations and goalies interference and fights we're the top priorities for EA, I'm giving up, there's nothing we can do no more to help EA understand us.
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actionhank @ 06/07/11 04:00 PM
I feel like something that would help this game would be having the player have to stop.
Think of it like this (this analogy is just popping into my head, so it's got potential to be crap)
Anyhow, when you play a game with cars you don't just push the stick down to stop. You have a brake. Something that slows you down. I feel like, while skaters can do things cars obviously can't the basic physics constraints are still there. You can't just pivot in place without moving, and you have to put a lot into going another direction.
If we had something like, a trigger that would be a "brake" so to speak for the skater, it would, in my opinion lead to much more realistic gameplay.
Instead of players skating full speed into the boards and just magically picking up the puck, then moving instantly back to center ice, you would have to come in, but use the trigger to slow your player down. This would make people think about the angle they take to the puck, instead of just running at it from any direction. It would be faster to skate down the boards and scoop the puck up and keep skating, but what if you aren't heading from that way? Say you are racing a player down the ice for the puck, you both just can't skate full speed into the corner without slamming into the boards.
I think doing this would add a lot to the game. If you go too fast you could run the risk of getting injured, say maybe a little over the "safe" speed and your guy puts and arm up and hits the boards, but has to take a second to get on his feet properly before playing the puck right.
It would eliminate just slamming into the boards as it is now and automatically (Unless the AI is with you...then they seem to get the puck no matter what i try...) grabbing the puck to magically skate away.
It would also help for crashing the crease.
Too much speed and you run the risk of nailing the goalie and getting called/roughed up by the other team. Stop too soon and you're out of position.
I think little things like that would help a lot for making gameplay feel less...on rails.
Think of it like this (this analogy is just popping into my head, so it's got potential to be crap)
Anyhow, when you play a game with cars you don't just push the stick down to stop. You have a brake. Something that slows you down. I feel like, while skaters can do things cars obviously can't the basic physics constraints are still there. You can't just pivot in place without moving, and you have to put a lot into going another direction.
If we had something like, a trigger that would be a "brake" so to speak for the skater, it would, in my opinion lead to much more realistic gameplay.
Instead of players skating full speed into the boards and just magically picking up the puck, then moving instantly back to center ice, you would have to come in, but use the trigger to slow your player down. This would make people think about the angle they take to the puck, instead of just running at it from any direction. It would be faster to skate down the boards and scoop the puck up and keep skating, but what if you aren't heading from that way? Say you are racing a player down the ice for the puck, you both just can't skate full speed into the corner without slamming into the boards.
I think doing this would add a lot to the game. If you go too fast you could run the risk of getting injured, say maybe a little over the "safe" speed and your guy puts and arm up and hits the boards, but has to take a second to get on his feet properly before playing the puck right.
It would eliminate just slamming into the boards as it is now and automatically (Unless the AI is with you...then they seem to get the puck no matter what i try...) grabbing the puck to magically skate away.
It would also help for crashing the crease.
Too much speed and you run the risk of nailing the goalie and getting called/roughed up by the other team. Stop too soon and you're out of position.
I think little things like that would help a lot for making gameplay feel less...on rails.
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I too am optimistic about the final product. But what you posted here is pretty much what I was hoping to see as well. Them showing the height/weight overlays again, was a bit disappointing. Especially in GM mode...I'm hoping for much more useful overlays/pop ups. Like the things you mentioned above.
Like some are talking about in the other vid thread...I'm hoping I don't have to be constantly pausing the game to enjoy the bulk of the "new" presentation. Good Lord man!...I have enough trouble getting through an 82 game season.
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That's the direction every sports game is going in.
But seeing Kunitz skate around as a right-handed shot during one cutscene, I knew right away they were all canned.
I know some will laugh at my nitpicking, but that's something that has bothered me for years.
I can only imagine how baseball or football fans would feel if during a cutscene, Albert Pujols was swinging left-handed while on deck, or if Tom Brady was throwing left-handed while warming up before the game.
It's simple touches like that which fool the gamer into believing they're on the field.
EA's done a remarkable job of turning this series around from last-gen, but they still stink at sucking the gamer in and making them think they're part of the action or a bigger picture.
In the NHL games, every game feels like a solo episode, instead of part of a 30-team, 82-game league.
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