06:12 PM - May 2, 2013 by Steve_OSThis video is also available on the OS Youtube channel, please subscribe while you're there.
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Madden NFL 25 News Post
06:12 PM - May 2, 2013 by Steve_OSThis video is also available on the OS Youtube channel, please subscribe while you're there.
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If we ever get there then the "gap" between those that like using their stick skills and those that don't..(Coach only) should close a bit.
Still skills shouldn't trump coaching and player ratings on the field...
IMO of course.
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SageInfinite @ 05/03/13 01:09 AM
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I would love to actually outsmart protection instead of outnumbering it. Having a dominant front 4 and just changing up their attacks and not having to blitz. Man.....
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ncaafootball14markus @ 05/03/13 01:22 AM
i still can't figure out how next-gen is going to solve these issues? i'm assuming people were just as hyped about transitioning from ps2s/xboxs to 360s and ps3s, but apparently, new technology made this game worse.
...and just out of curiosity. are people expecting next-gen footage for madden and ncaa to be shown for microsoft this month? i doubt EA would do that. people would just say the heck with this year. i'll just wait til next year.
if anything, they'll show one of those "made-up" sizzle trailers like they did when the first iteration of ps3/360's versions were planning on coming out.
i'm sure everyone remembers this video...what a load of BULL***. why didn't they tell us that this video was meant for ps4/720?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxyTUaqm2GU
...and just out of curiosity. are people expecting next-gen footage for madden and ncaa to be shown for microsoft this month? i doubt EA would do that. people would just say the heck with this year. i'll just wait til next year.
if anything, they'll show one of those "made-up" sizzle trailers like they did when the first iteration of ps3/360's versions were planning on coming out.
i'm sure everyone remembers this video...what a load of BULL***. why didn't they tell us that this video was meant for ps4/720?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxyTUaqm2GU
Seems footplanting only matters on hard cuts. Besides that they are still sliding.
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SageInfinite @ 05/03/13 01:29 AM
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You have to know how to program and integrate the things that will take console FB to the next level AND have to be able to make these changes. It's not always the developers but the bean counters who throw up the stop signs.
If EA came out right now and said "Guys we are stripping everything and the 1st Madden on next gen will be a solid, smart football AI game that emulates what we see on TV each Sunday more than we ever seen in a FB game, but we can't have franchise etc.. the first year"
I'd be tickled to death(if the game was actually a full on great AI football game) because from that point on we can then go to the "little things".
Now with that said we've heard that they've had a head start on next gen for a good while so I'm cautiously optimistic that we will see a great next gen FB game.
We all want the same things and hopefully one day we all get what we want.
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Hot routing via 2K's method.
You didn't have to be on a player you wanted to hot route but each shoulder/trigger button was a group (LB's, CB's etc..) with icons on top of the players. You simply hit the trigger linked to the group, hit the icon of player and then what you wanted them to do. Took very little time to make 2 -3 adjustments.
# 109
SageInfinite @ 05/03/13 02:02 AM
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The Madden devs have to work different for the next gen. I think they have to work smarter, not harder, and not let things slide and sit. Authenticity has to be their focus always, and not the talk of authenticity they've done this gen, the walk of authenticity as well. We should be into deep into player individuality now instead of trying to get fundamentals in at the end of a generation. I really hope the words of Cam's next gen interview are backed up by a stellar debut.
Yep if we ever get to the point of talking about real "the little things" I'll be very happy.
To me some of the "little things" would be:
Seeing trash blowing across the fields on real windy days
Players leaving for a play because a shoe came off or a chin strap broke
Illegal Substitutions
A player throwing up in the huddle lol
Torn jersey/pants
Kicker slipping during a kick (BTW we need a new kicking system and passing system..as OPTIONS to use)
Blood on the jersey/pants (Probably aren't allowed to do this for some BS reason or another)
on and on....
One day perhaps...
To me some of the "little things" would be:
Seeing trash blowing across the fields on real windy days
Players leaving for a play because a shoe came off or a chin strap broke
Illegal Substitutions
A player throwing up in the huddle lol
Torn jersey/pants
Kicker slipping during a kick (BTW we need a new kicking system and passing system..as OPTIONS to use)
Blood on the jersey/pants (Probably aren't allowed to do this for some BS reason or another)
on and on....
One day perhaps...
# 111
SageInfinite @ 05/03/13 02:18 AM
I'd love for us to finally get dynamic weather. Start out cloudy, by the end of the first it's raining, down pour by half-time. Hell I'd actually like to be able to set the temp like in NCAA. SMH. IMO Madden for the past decade has never had alot of the "little" things.
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DorianDonP @ 05/03/13 02:19 AM
I hope EA reads all of these comments and are going into next gen KNOWING that this gameplay looks (and plays) poorly. They need to KNOW that what they are putting out in these trailers isn't good. My worry is that they actually do think what they are hyping in these trailers are okay. I understand they have to sell their game, good or bad, so for everyones sake I hope they really do realize how much of an overhaul everything needs.
This was the only animation I liked
But I worry that when that animation triggers, other defenders won't be able to come in and clean up the tackle.
Look how fast the runner turns a juke into a spinmove
and this guy's feet aren't even set before he's spinning and BREAKING A TACKLE at the same dang time.
crazy moves are possible but in real life they still require the runner to slow down and hesitate
This looks somewhat better (aside from the defenders looking like drunken idiots) with the hard and deliberate cut but the actual handoff doesn't have the same footwork detail. He gets the handoff from one angle and is heading in another direction magically.
Unlike something like this where even subtle change of direction requires more than one step.
The speed of the video made this look really bad but I'm not sure if it was speeded up or something.
The balance in this is just so off. The way he puts down his arm looks unnatural, like an animation thrown on just for the sake of it.
Aside from the foot planting and animations, the main problem to me with the running game is the lack of lateral movement. To much of the game is either zig zag or run straight ahead (now coupled with somewhat unrealistic combo moves). Low center of gravity/lateral movement isn't really represented which means the game doesn't capture the line of scrimmage running of many running plays.
Patient running like that is hard to duplicate in the games.
EA is going to show off their highlight reels of trucks, stiff arms, and spin moves, but I'd be much more impressed if they highlighted hitting holes with hard cuts and smaller jukes, instead of so much open field/to the outside stuff. In Madden/NCAA, you don't really have to make any cuts or jukes INTO the hole. I'm interested in seeing more gameplay of the speedburst thing to see how that affects those plays.
That's the bread and butter of the running game.
This was the only animation I liked
Spoiler
But I worry that when that animation triggers, other defenders won't be able to come in and clean up the tackle.
Look how fast the runner turns a juke into a spinmove
Spoiler
and this guy's feet aren't even set before he's spinning and BREAKING A TACKLE at the same dang time.
Spoiler
crazy moves are possible but in real life they still require the runner to slow down and hesitate
Spoiler
This looks somewhat better (aside from the defenders looking like drunken idiots) with the hard and deliberate cut but the actual handoff doesn't have the same footwork detail. He gets the handoff from one angle and is heading in another direction magically.
Spoiler
Unlike something like this where even subtle change of direction requires more than one step.
Spoiler
The speed of the video made this look really bad but I'm not sure if it was speeded up or something.
Spoiler
The balance in this is just so off. The way he puts down his arm looks unnatural, like an animation thrown on just for the sake of it.
Spoiler
Aside from the foot planting and animations, the main problem to me with the running game is the lack of lateral movement. To much of the game is either zig zag or run straight ahead (now coupled with somewhat unrealistic combo moves). Low center of gravity/lateral movement isn't really represented which means the game doesn't capture the line of scrimmage running of many running plays.
Spoiler
Patient running like that is hard to duplicate in the games.
EA is going to show off their highlight reels of trucks, stiff arms, and spin moves, but I'd be much more impressed if they highlighted hitting holes with hard cuts and smaller jukes, instead of so much open field/to the outside stuff. In Madden/NCAA, you don't really have to make any cuts or jukes INTO the hole. I'm interested in seeing more gameplay of the speedburst thing to see how that affects those plays.
Spoiler
That's the bread and butter of the running game.
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EDIT: EAs problem is they add something to the game but then they take something out. And what they add is always done half you know what lol Look at the footplanting, appears to only work for the ball carrier and only takes effect when he makes a hard cut.
# 114
SageInfinite @ 05/03/13 02:31 AM
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# 115
SageInfinite @ 05/03/13 02:44 AM
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# 116
DorianDonP @ 05/03/13 02:45 AM
I've read that next gen Madden could be using the new frostbite engine. I have no idea what that really means but maybe there is some insight there into what movement would feel like.
It's a good topic though, one I'm sure EA has talked about. As much as I love NBA 2K, there are plenty of times where I don't feel I have good control over my player, despite the fluid animations. I liked last gen Maddens running animations, but there were also times I didn't feel like I had good control over my players.
There's gotta be a balance out there with physics for every single player, ESPECIALLY the lineman, leading the way. Here's to hoping it's found for next gen.
It's a good topic though, one I'm sure EA has talked about. As much as I love NBA 2K, there are plenty of times where I don't feel I have good control over my player, despite the fluid animations. I liked last gen Maddens running animations, but there were also times I didn't feel like I had good control over my players.
There's gotta be a balance out there with physics for every single player, ESPECIALLY the lineman, leading the way. Here's to hoping it's found for next gen.
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Time will tell.
I'm one who thoroughly enjoyed Madden13 (Game was fun regardless of it's short comings) and will enjoy M25.
That doesn't mean I, or those others who liked it, don't want better.
There were issues with Madden 13, but it was far from a terrible game like many spew on these forums IMO.
Maybe my age but I appreciate where we've come from to now so maybe that's why I feel the way I do.
Bottom line is I'm excited for Madden Next gen and hope EA doesn't let me down.
You have to sacrifice user control for the game to play out smoother. Animations have to play a part. Its all about finding that balance. One of the problems 2K had that they seem to be getting better at is being able to break out of those animations. EA has robotic/stiff animations but it doesnt help that they also lack transitional animations. Damn I need to take myself to bed.
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With Madden it's appeal is user control and "wow" over the top plays and I see no way around that as EA will never alienate that crowd, ever.
This is coming from someone who is a coach only kind of guy so I wouldn't mind it at all IF they ever give us a real coach only mode.
Better animations and yes better transistion from animation to animation is needed.
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