10:12 PM - July 1, 2015 by DIRK41NOWITZKI
EA Sports has released a couple of NBA Live 16 screenshots of Jimmy Butler on their NBA Live Twitter feed. More screenshots can be seen here, along with information you may have missed here.
NBA Live 16 News Post
10:12 PM - July 1, 2015 by DIRK41NOWITZKIEA Sports has released a couple of NBA Live 16 screenshots of Jimmy Butler on their NBA Live Twitter feed. More screenshots can be seen here, along with information you may have missed here.
NBA Live 16 Videos
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# 21
Luke Skywalker @ 07/04/15 08:58 PM
How are NBA players allowed to get tattoos and NFL (Madden) isn't?
# 22
benefactor @ 07/04/15 09:41 PM
Firstly, some of you guys must not have played Live 15... bench players already had warmups on during games last year.
Anyway, some comparisons with last year. Skin tones are great this year but I still suspect these Butler pics have had the contrast turned up post game...
Anyway, some comparisons with last year. Skin tones are great this year but I still suspect these Butler pics have had the contrast turned up post game...
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strawberryshortcake @ 07/04/15 11:50 PM
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However, arena lighting is definitely better in Live as you can see from the pictures below. But as far as skin texture and skin tone and skin color palette, especially in screen captures as seen below (Kevin Durant) compared to youtube videos and Jimmy Butler's skin tone, the competitor has a more realistic approach. However, when looking at gameplay screen capture when everything is far away, Live16 and the competitor's 15 looks very similar. But close up shots, the competitor has a more realistic natural skin tone and color palette.
Live 16 - better floor reflections, better hardwood floor details
Real NBA Live footage
Competitor 15
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Even if you watch Jimmy Butler's video and real live game footage, the skin tone color palette is not as drastically "up-contrasted."
Below are some competitor's screen capture from 15. Compare Kevin Durant Live 15 to the other game's Kevin Durant and compare the skin tone to the Kevin Durant's interview skin tone. The competitor's game has the skin tone much more subtle and soft as seen in real life where Live 15 has the skin tone's contrast turned up it seems.
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Compare the above two pictures including the spoiler pictures of James Harden and John Wall to the below Kevin Durant's interview real skin tone/color palette.
I will say this though. EA's UFC game has very realistic lighting and skin texture:
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# 24
benefactor @ 07/05/15 12:10 AM
I think 'life' is the last word I'd use to describe 2Ks visuals.
There's nothing wrong with having a preference though, just don't take up the whole page with comparisons in a Live forum.
There's nothing wrong with having a preference though, just don't take up the whole page with comparisons in a Live forum.
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strawberryshortcake @ 07/05/15 12:18 AM
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Using visual evidence is better than simply some saying it with words. A picture is worth a thousand words.
The sames goes when it comes to analyzing gameplay. Disregard any other game and compare it to real life footage.
This isn't a Live/2K comparison thread. Keep it about Live please.
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strawberryshortcake @ 07/05/15 12:37 AM
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If not, we'll just stick with Live16 and real life footage.
For those still following this thread, compare Live16's Durant skin tone color palette in the screenshot to Kevin Durant's skin tone in the above Kevin Durant interview. Live16 Durant has a more 'high saturated' color palette, a little bit more orange hue to it, somewhat.
The same goes with Live16 Jimmy Butler. Live15 Jimmy Butler, just skin tone/color palette seems to better resemble what I've seen in the youtube video of Jimmy Butler.
The problem, however, these Live16 screenshots don't resemble quite what we see in game footage (E3 demo Live16). The demo has a softer more realistic tone/color palette, which is a good thing because it's more representative of real life.
If you want to compare games in any way you do it in the "other" threads. While it may start out constructive in here, it will most likely end up in a complete mess. That's why we don't allow it.
# 29
strawberryshortcake @ 07/05/15 12:44 AM
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Just hope there's a Live16 demo.
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Much improved facially this year.
# 32
blingballa333 @ 07/05/15 09:42 PM
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Looks a bit closer to the NBA Live screenshot doesn't it?
# 33
jaychitown312 @ 07/05/15 09:56 PM
Live is working right now, lets enjoy and let them work. As long as they continue to compete I am good. It feels good not to have to buy 2K just because I like basketball. I never really play it. Live 15 I just traded it in, just to prepare for Live 16.
# 34
strawberryshortcake @ 07/06/15 01:06 AM
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If you read one of my previous post, I did say that the lighting for players skin tone, color palette, during gameplay sequence looked better than the Live16 screenshots. I chose a media interview session because it gets you up close and personal with Durant natural skin tone/complexion.
Closer, but Live16 screenshot still has the contrast upped in my opinion (IMO). How about we use real game footage. See the similarities of Durant's complexion to Durant interview versus what we see in Live16's screenshot?
Point being: Color palette/skin tone Live16 gameplay footage is much, much, much better than what we see in these Live16 screenshot.
# 35
benefactor @ 07/06/15 04:55 AM
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2K next gen was visually an amazing jump this gen. And Live 15 and now 16 looks to have created the most lifelike athletes videogaming has ever seen.
Consider this, the models in current bball games (given there are 10 on the court at once and a crowd, refs, etc) even on their own, look better than anything we've seen in 1vs1 fighting game. And bball games have 100's of more animations and variations of animations as well.
What the artists have achieved is pretty special really. Live with their newly animated facial features and photoreal face scans, the look of moving and flexing muscles, the sweat and even the ragdoll physics (which weren't perfect, but still impressive in 15) is really delivering.
# 36
strawberryshortcake @ 07/06/15 05:31 AM
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Please further elaborate on your statement "And Live 15 and now 16 looks to have created the most lifelike athletes videogaming has ever seen."
Are you referring to simple screenshots because they have facial scanned athletes? Are you referring to player movements? What part of Live15 or Live16 displays the most "lifelike athletes videogaming has ever seen"?
"Animated facial features" ...? Can you link either a video or a website that shows Live15 or Live16 having "animated facial features" that have a humanistic quality?
I'm excited to see Live16 in action as much as you guys/gals are too. I hope there's a demo for the PS4/XB1. But there are certain movements I've already seen in the leaked Live16 that looks awkward that I don't see how it could have gone untouched (i.e. the passing motion for one thing).
EDIT: One of my biggest pet peeve with EA's player models is their "hunchback-ness" positions. It's not just their shoulder region but also EA's model have this seemingly very stiff and rigid, fixed plane characteristic to their lumbar/gluteal region. Hips looks locked in place all the time without the ability to twist separately from the waist area. It's very static, seemingly as if there's a cast surrounding it and restricting freedom of movement so to speak.
# 37
benefactor @ 07/06/15 05:56 AM
I'm talking about character models, textures, lighting applied to those models and how they are almost replicating their real life human counterparts. (Not animation).
I have been gaming (and even dabbled in 3D character modelling more than once) for over 20 years and have not seen a better representation of an NBA athlete than the models in Live 15.
Their shoulders are round, there are real muscle tones, body shapes, when limbs animate those muscles appear to move and flex, you don't see (many) sharp or blocky edges to the polygons, no visible joins.
What they've achieved is technically, very, very impressive.
Some of that is seen in these Live 15 pics. And make note of the different body sizes. Big Baby and his chubbiness, George Hill and is broad shoulders. Again, as a whole it isn't perfect at all areas, but to not appreciate the quality is to quite simply, appear like you are looking for a game vs game fanboy argument (which would only get you banned).
I have been gaming (and even dabbled in 3D character modelling more than once) for over 20 years and have not seen a better representation of an NBA athlete than the models in Live 15.
Their shoulders are round, there are real muscle tones, body shapes, when limbs animate those muscles appear to move and flex, you don't see (many) sharp or blocky edges to the polygons, no visible joins.
What they've achieved is technically, very, very impressive.
Some of that is seen in these Live 15 pics. And make note of the different body sizes. Big Baby and his chubbiness, George Hill and is broad shoulders. Again, as a whole it isn't perfect at all areas, but to not appreciate the quality is to quite simply, appear like you are looking for a game vs game fanboy argument (which would only get you banned).
# 38
The 24th Letter @ 07/06/15 06:37 AM
Well, saying Live 16 the most lifelike sports game ever after about 5 screenshots and some minor gameplay footage is certainly going to raise some valid questions....nothing really "fanboy" about disagreeing with that...
At the end of the day it comes down to preference. I can definitely appreciate Lives art style though, always have.....Live 15 wad a nice looking game and Live 16 looks to be even more improved. Hopefully that becomes even more evident outside of the replay screens this year...
At the end of the day it comes down to preference. I can definitely appreciate Lives art style though, always have.....Live 15 wad a nice looking game and Live 16 looks to be even more improved. Hopefully that becomes even more evident outside of the replay screens this year...
# 39
strawberryshortcake @ 07/06/15 06:38 AM
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Okay, you've dabbled with 3D models and gamed for 20 years. That's great indeed. It gives you perspective. But the true test (and this is one reason why I decided to post about the Jimmy Butler and Kevin Durant screenshot) is to ask someone who does not play video games at all because sometimes an outsider's point of view may be even more important.
My two sisters don't game (not sports game, but street fighter, zelda, mario brothers, etc.), my two sister's husbands don't really game. A look at Live16's Durant and Butler's screenshot and they thought it looked cool but definitely not real. They said it looks fake. Their opinions were different when I presented them with the "other" game's screenshots (they were amazed). The same reaction when I showed them gameplay footage of Gran Turismo (they didn't believe that it was a video game).
Then I showed them NBA16's gameplay video. Their reactions were what I expected. The player models and lighting and skin tone were definitely much more realistic.
Not sure why you had to make that final statement. No one is looking for a game vs game fanboy/fangirl argument. I brought up the other game because others mentioned it. Constructive criticism should be perfectly fine if a certain other product has desirable elements that could be useful influence. It's a little bit more touchy on operationsports and hence you try to avoid doing so.
Side Remark with regards to your fanboy comment. MLBtheShow has great lighting and graphics, and gameplay. But it also has some very awkward animations and gameplay moments. Pro Yakyuu Spirits is another baseball game available in Japan (unfortunately only available in the Japanese language). I bought a PS3 and PS4 specifically for MLBtheShow. I love the game. However, there are tons of stuff from the now defunct MLB2k baseball game and Pro Yakyuu Spirits game that surpasses MLBtheShow. If the Show's developers would take suggested influential elements from MLB2k and Pro Yakyuu Spirits, MLBtheShow would be so much better. It's not about being a fanboy, it's about trying to get a game to greater heights and realism.
EDIT: Same with other products. Cell phones for example. If a certain phone has a feature, an effect, or whatever that isn't trademarked and provides the user a better experience, it would be nice for a second cell phone manufacturer to takes notes and if possible incorporate it into their product line. It's about looking at your competition and seeing what they're doing, whether good or bad, and I guess "brainstorm" if you will.
The Spurs has a formula for winning; one can essentially say the Golden State Warriors have adopted and tweaked that winning blueprint formula.
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