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NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

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NBA players continue posting their NBA 2K16 player ratings, along with in-game screenshots of themselves in action. Below are the players that have either posted on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram today.

(Click the name(s) below, to see the screenshot.)

Anthony Morrow - (Overall Rating - 74)
Stanley Johnson - (Overall Rating - 73)
Myles Turner - (Overall Rating - 73)
Cameron Payne - (Overall Rating - 72)
Devin Booker - (Overall Rating - 72)
Devyn Marble - (Overall Rating - 67)

Previously confirmed player ratings: (Click the name(s) below, to see the screenshot)

Kevin Durant - (Overall Rating - 91)
John Wall (Overall Rating - 87)
Kobe Bryant (Overall Rating - 85)
Andre Drummond - (Overall Rating - 83)
Isaiah Thomas - (Overall Rating - 81)
Hassan Whiteside - (Overall Rating - 81)
Rudy Gobert - (Overall Rating - 79)
Jared Sullinger - (Overall Rating - 77)
Tony Wroten - (Overall Rating - 75)
Aaron Brooks (Overall Rating - 75)
C. J. Miles - (Overall Rating - 73)
Isaiah Canaan - (Overall Rating - 73)
Terrence Ross (Overall Rating - 73)
Evan Fournier - (Overall Rating - 72)
Shelvin Mack - (Overall Rating - 72)
C.J. McCollum - (Overall Rating - 72)
Langston Galloway (Overall Rating - 72)
Kyle Anderson - (Overall Rating - 71)
Shane Larkin - (Overall Rating - 70)
Spencer Dinwiddie - (Overall Rating - 70)
Anthony Tolliver - (Overall Rating - 70)
Quincy Acy - (Overall Rating - 69)
Perry Jones III - (Overall Rating - 69)
Pierre Jackson - (Overall Rating - 69)

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# 81 vtcrb @ 09/10/15 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	SF formula is similar to SG and nothing like PF/C But sure try to correct me on something you don't know anything about

PLEASE post the Formula that 2k(not You) uses in the game, as you seem to have inside Knowledge. Thank You.

# 82 Real2KInsider @ 09/11/15 06:28 AM

BOLD if center either
A. Lead his team in PER
B. Had 15+ PER off the bench

2015 Centers

EAST
Hawks (60): Al Horford (21.4 PER), Pero Antic (9.5 PER)
*Cavaliers (53): Timofey Mozgov (18.7 PER), Anderson Varejao (17.7 PER), Kendrick Perkins (4.7 PER)
**Bulls (50): Pau Gasol (22.7 PER)
Raptors (49): Jonas Valanciunas (20.6 PER), Tyler Hansbrough (13.3 PER)
Bucks (41): Zaza Pachulia (15.6 PER), John Henson (18.0 PER), Miles Plumlee (13.4 PER)
Celtics (40): Tyler Zeller (18.9 PER), Kelly Olynyk (15.9 PER)
Nets (38): Brook Lopez (22.7 PER), Mason Plumlee (18.0 PER)
Pacers (38): Roy Hibbert (15.4 PER), Ian Mahinmi (10.8 PER)
Heat (37): Hassan Whiteside (26.2 PER), Chris Andersen (16.1 PER)
Hornets (33): Al Jefferson (19.7 PER), Bismack Biyombo (15.2 PER)
Pistons (32): Andre Drummond (21.4 PER), Joel Anthony (14.7 PER)
Magic (25): Nikola Vucevic (21.5 PER), DeWayne Dedmon (13.3 PER)
Sixers (18): Nerlens Noel (15.0 PER), Henry Sims (14.5 PER)
Knicks (17): Jason Smith (12.0 PER), Cole Aldrich (18.1 PER)

WEST
Warriors (67): Andrew Bogut (15.8 PER), Marreese Speights (19.5 PER), Festus Ezeli (16.2 PER)
Rockets (56): Dwight Howard (19.2 PER), Joey Dorsey (11.1 PER)
Clippers (56): DeAndre Jordan (21.0 PER), Spencer Hawes (9.8 PER)
Grizzlies (55): Marc Gasol (21.7 PER), Kosta Koufos (14.2 PER)
Spurs (55): Tiago Splitter (18.9 PER), Aron Baynes (15.9 PER)
Blazers (51): Robin Lopez (16.2 PER), Chris Kaman (17.3 PER), Meyers Leonard (14.8 PER)
***Mavericks (50): Tyson Chandler (20.1 PER), Amare Stoudemire (22.3 PER)
Pelicans (45): Omer Asik (15.5 PER), Alexis Ajinca (19.9 PER)
****Thunder (45): Steven Adams (14.1 PER), Enes Kanter (24.9 PER)
*****Suns (39): Alex Len (13.5 PER), Brandan Wright (17.8 PER)
Jazz (38): Rudy Gobert (21.6 PER)
Nuggets (30): Jusuf Nurkic (14.8 PER), J.J. Hickson (14.3 PER)
Kings (29): DeMarcus Cousins (25.2 PER), Ryan Holliins (13.1 PER)
Lakers (21): Ed Davis (20.0 PER), Robert Sacre (10.9 PER)
Wolves (16): Nikola Pekovic (16.6 PER), Gorgui Dieng (17.2 PER)

*Mozgov's season PER was 16.6 PER. Perkins' season PER was 7.0. Varejao was technically never a backup, though he will be this coming season.

**Pau guarded centers and was guarded by the center. He was the center (as he often was for the Lakers the last 5 years). Noah chased around fours (and this switch also reflected in their rebound numbers) which contributed to his subpar year. It is worth noting that Hoiberg plans on using Noah as a backup center which speaks further volumes about the quality of the position today.

***Amare's season PER was 20.3.

****Kanter's season PER was 20.3.

*****Wright's season PER was 20.4.

Despite the lack of top-line stars I don't think one can doubt looking at the numbers that the center position is significantly healthier than it was 20 years ago. Here's 95 again by comparison.

1995 EAST
Magic (57): Shaquille O'Neal (28.6 PER), Tree Rollins (7.0 PER)
Knicks (55): Patrick Ewing (21.9 PER), Herb Williams (7.7 PER)
Pacers (52): Rik Smits (19.5 PER), LaSalle Thompson (6.8 PER)
Hornets (50): Alonzo Mourning (20.1 PER), Robert Parish (10.1 PER)
Bulls (47): Will Perdue (16.3 PER), Luc Longley (12.3 PER), Bill Wennington (11.6 PER)
Cavaliers (43): Tyrone Hill (16.8 PER), Michael Cage (13.5 PER)
Hawks (42): Andrew Lang (13.1 PER), Jon Koncak (9.5 PER)
Celtics (35): Eric Montross (12.1 PER), Pervis Ellison (13.3 PER)
Bucks (34): Alton Lister (10.2 PER), Eric Mobley (14.2 PER)
Heat (32): John Salley (11.4 PER), Matt Geiger (12.9 PER)
Nets (30): Benoit Benjamin (13.9 PER), Dwayne Schintzius (6.2 PER)
Pistons (28): Mark West (12.8 PER), Oliver Miller (16.9 PER)
Sixers (24): Shawn Bradley (14.8 PER), Derrick Alston (11.6 PER)
Bullets (21): Gheorghe Muresan (17.4 PER), Kevin Duckworth (9.9 PER)

1995 WEST
Spurs (62): David Robinson (29.1 PER)
Jazz (60): Felton Spencer (12.3 PER), James Donaldson (7.9 PER)
Suns (59): Joe Kleine (9.8 PER), Danny Schayes (13.2 PER)
Sonics (57): Sam Perkins (16.2 PER), Ervin Johnson (9.6 PER)
Lakers (48): Vlade Divac (20.5 PER), Sam Bowie (10.4 PER)
Rockets (47): Hakeem Olajuwon (26.0 PER)
Blazers (44): Chris Dudley (10.9 PER)
Nuggets (41): Dikembe Mutombo (17.0 PER), Bison Dele (13.9 PER)
Kings (39): Olden Polynice (14.7 PER), Duane Causwell (11.4 PER)
Mavericks (36): Lorenzo Williams (10.3 PER), Roy Tarpley (17.8 PER)
Warriors (26): Rony Seikaly (12.7 PER), Cliff Rozier (11.5 PER), Victor Alexander (12.8 PER)
Wolves (21): Sean Rooks (12.6 PER), Greg Foster (10.3 PER)
Clippers (17): Tony Massenburg (11.7 PER), Eric Riley (14.7 PER)

2015: 13 centers lead team, 14 quality backups, 40 centers > 15
1995: 6 centers lead team, 2 quality backups, 14 centers > 15

It's not close. Remember again that PER is relative to the rest of the league. Even though the traditional back to the basket center is gone, centers have never been more effective than they are now. It is arguably the best/deepest position in the league after PG (in fact, only four starters in the league registered a PER under 15 - the 95 west alone has 8 starters under 15).

I even think that the superstar factor compared to the 90s (3 centers > 25 PER versus 1 today) is over-blown as Anthony Davis will eventually play center full-time, while Tim Duncan bounces back and forth between PF and C every season (I opted to consider him a PF this season).

I also think players like Cousins and the Gasols or even Al Jefferson would dominate an era that was conducive to one-on-one play. The notion that post play is dead and that nobody can do it anymore isn't particularly well-founded. There simply isn't a good reason for a non-elite to stagnate the offense.

# 83 Trackball @ 09/11/15 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	centers have never been more effective than they are now. It is arguably the best/deepest position in the league after PG

10char

# 84 8KB24 @ 09/11/15 06:52 AM

Because using only PER is the right way to go regarding player evaluation. I always respect what Rashidi has to say but this is...idk man

# 85 Real2KInsider @ 09/11/15 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 8KB24


	Because using only PER is the right way to go regarding player evaluation. I always respect what Rashidi has to say but this is...idk man

Would you care to use other means to discuss the skill/ability/effectiveness of Jon Koncak versus Kosta Koufos in an expeditious manner?

# 86 Real2KInsider @ 09/11/15 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Trackball


	10char

2000 Centers - Just 5 years after 95 (and well before the defensive rule changes of this era).

2000 EAST
Pacers (56): Rik Smits (17.3), Sam Perkins (12.1)
Heat (52): Alonzo Mourning (25.8), Otis Thorpe (11.1)
Knicks (50): Patrick Ewing (16.9), Marcus Camby (19.0)
Hornets (49): Elden Campbell (14.6), Brad Miller (18.9)
Sixers (49): Theo Ratliff (16.7), Matt Geiger (13.9)
Raptors (45): Antonio Davis (15.1), Kevin Willis (12.3)
Pistons (42): Christian Laettner (14.8), Mikki Moore (19.6)
Bucks (42): Ervin Johnson (12.7), Scott Williams (15.6)
Magic (41): John Amaechi (13.2), Michael Doleac (13.3)
Celtics (35): Vitaly Potapenko (13.8), Tony Battie (15.1)
Cavaliers (32): Mark Bryant (8.9), Andrew DeClercq (11.4)
Nets (31): Jim McIlvaine (10.0)
Wizards (29): Jahidi White (15.7), Issac Austin (10.2)
Hawks (28): Dikembe Mutombo (19.4), Lorenzen Wright (13.9)
Bulls (17): Dickey Simpkins (5.5), Will Perdue (6.6), Chris Anstey (15.1)

2000 WEST
Lakers (67): Shaquille O'Neal (30.6), Travis Knight (9.5)
Blazers (59): Arvydas Sabonis (20.3), Jermaine O'Neal (13.3)
Jazz (55): Olden Polynice (10.4), Greg Ostertag (13.5)
Spurs (53): David Robinson (24.6)
Suns (53): Luc Longley (8.8), Oliver Miller (15.6)
Wolves (50): Rasho Nesterovic (11.0), Dean Garrett (9.0)
Sonics (45): Vin Baker (14.0), Jelani McCoy (13.2)
Kings (44): Vlade Divac (18.0), Scot Pollard (15.8)
Mavericks (40): Shawn Bradley (17.0), Sean Rooks (11.8)
Nuggets (35): Raef LaFrentz (16.3)
Rockets (34): Hakeem Olajuwon (16.7), Kelvin Cato (15.9)
Grizzlies (22): Bryant Reeves (10.6), Cherokee Parks (10.9)
Warriors (19): Adonal Foyle (12.3), Erick Dampier (9.6)
Clippers (15): Michael Olowokandi (10.4), Keith Closs (14.1)

While both leagues were top-heavy, the notable difference between 95 and 00 is that quality backups started popping up. We were introduced to Marcus Camby, a running/dunking center who didn't need to post up to have an impact. Teams would go on to utilize this once unique mold of center.

There was still plenty of trash to go around. Jason Smith (12.0 PER) was the worst starting center in the league last season and there were 8 teams with a starter worse than that in 2000 (nearly 1/3 of the league!).

I do realize it takes more than factual evidence to dispel myths that have been drummed into the heads of sheeple over an extended period of time.

Keep the spit coming.

# 87 Mauer4MVP @ 09/11/15 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 8KB24


	Because using only PER is the right way to go regarding player evaluation. I always respect what Rashidi has to say but this is...idk man

I think PER is pretty useless as well, but you can just look at the names themselves. In 95, 1-6 would still be 1-6 today most likely.

After that, it's today by a pretty wide margin.

# 88 Real2KInsider @ 09/11/15 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mauer4MVP


	I think PER is pretty useless as well, but you can just look at the names themselves. In 95, 1-6 would still be 1-6 today most likely. After that, it's today by a pretty wide margin.

I would contend that offensively Ewing/Zo would not be as effective today due to their poor passing ability. Back then a passer like Vlade Divac was abnormal for the center position, but now a post player can't succeed unless they have that level of touch/vision.

Post players had a ton of time/space/physicality to work with 20 years ago that they simply don't enjoy anymore.

Someone like Andrew Bogut is a great, subtle example. A low usage player in a dynamite offense who averages 2.7 APG in only 24 MPG despite his limited number of touches/possessions.

1995 A/T Ratio
1.60 Vlade Divac (20 USG%)
1.07 Hakeem Olajuwon (32 USG%)
0.82 Patrick Ewing (31 USG%)
0.46 Alonzo Mourning (26 USG%)
0.25 Felton Spencer (17 USG%)

2015 A/T Ratio
2.44 Al Horford (22 USG%)
1.74 Marc Gasol (25 USG%)
1.69 Andrew Bogut (13 USG%)
0.98 Rudy Gobert (14 USG%)
0.80 Tyson Chandler (13 USG%)

Without going too deep or crazy, it goes without saying that if players like Ewing struggled with traps/doubles back then that garbage stiffs like Spencer (who STARTED for a 60 win team) would not be able to handle today's speed/pressure (which is quantifiably why those players no longer exist).

Conversely, as I've previously expressed, I likewise have no doubts that Marc Gasol would thrive in a less hostile post-environment.

# 89 Mauer4MVP @ 09/11/15 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	I would contend that offensively Ewing/Zo would not be as effective today due to their poor passing ability. Back then a passer like Vlade Divac was abnormal for the center position, but now a post player can't succeed unless they have that level of touch/vision. Post players had a ton of time/space/physicality to work with 20 years ago that they simply don't enjoy anymore. Someone like Andrew Bogut is a great, subtle example. A low usage player in a dynamite offense who averages 2.7 APG in only 24 MPG despite his limited number of touches/possessions. 1995 A/T Ratio 1.60 Vlade Divac (20 USG%) 1.07 Hakeem Olajuwon (32 USG%) 0.82 Patrick Ewing (31 USG%) 0.46 Alonzo Mourning (26 USG%) 0.25 Felton Spencer (17 USG%) 2015 A/T Ratio 2.44 Al Horford (22 USG%) 1.74 Marc Gasol (25 USG%) 1.69 Andrew Bogut (13 USG%) 0.98 Rudy Gobert (14 USG%) 0.80 Tyson Chandler (13 USG%) Without going too deep or crazy, it goes without saying that if players like Ewing struggled with traps/doubles back then that garbage stiffs like Spencer (who STARTED for a 60 win team) would not be able to handle today's speed/pressure (which is quantifiably why those players no longer exist). Conversely, as I've previously expressed, I likewise have no doubts that Marc Gasol would thrive in a less hostile post-environment.

I think they'd still have tremendous value as rim protectors. That's also the tough thing when comparing players in completely different eras. Like you said, they may struggle with double teams because of their passing because of the different play styles and schemes. Would they have developed those skills had they been born 15-20 years later?

Anyways, we're completely on the same page. I always bring up the fact that I think the center position is deeper than ever and get laughed out of the room usually because people just love thinking of Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing, Zo, etc.

# 90 8KB24 @ 09/11/15 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	Would you care to use other means to discuss the skill/ability/effectiveness of Jon Koncak versus Kosta Koufos in an expeditious manner?

Using PER to compare and evaluate players is like using how good of an *** a girls has to evaluate if she's wife material.

You gotta have eye test, context, all possible stats to compare players. You can't just use PER and say 'brah, Iggy is worse player than Green by 4 PER points'. It's just wrong.

# 91 Real2KInsider @ 09/11/15 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 8KB24


	Using PER to compare and evaluate players is like using how good of an ** a girls has to evaluate if she's wife material.*

That is pretty erroneous given that...

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	You gotta have eye test, context, all possible stats to compare players. You can't just use PER and say 'brah, Iggy is worse player than Green by 4 PER points'. It's just wrong.

....we have all of that available, and none of it really diminishes anything I posted.

You can make snide remarks and then try to compare players that play two different positions all you want.
Jon Koncak, Felton Spencer, etc (your average 90s center) were bad via eye test, context, and all possible stats.

PER isn't the end all-be-all, and never has been intended to, but for the intents and purposes of this discussion (which involves centers, not low-usage defensive wings), it's close enough.

# 92 8KB24 @ 09/11/15 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	That is pretty erroneous given that... ....we have all of that available, and none of it really diminishes anything I posted. You can make snide remarks and then try to compare players that play two different positions all you want. Jon Koncak, Felton Spencer, etc (your average 90s center) were bad via eye test, context, and all possible stats. PER isn't the end all-be-all, and never has been intended to, but for the intents and purposes of this discussion (which involves centers, not low-usage defensive wings), it's close enough.

Why don't you include VORP, BPM, OWS, DWS, WS/48 and other statistics?
Lemme give you one example.

Gasol brothers. Both centers for their teams. Pau has better PER but is he a better player? Nope. Marc is miles better at VORP, DWS, BPM etc except at ws/48 which Pau has marginal advantage. Marc also is better on defense and Pau has marginal advantage on offense (eye test + stats)

Also, how is comparing Iggy(48% at SG, 51 at SF) and Green(54% at SG, 43 at SF) comparing players that play different positions? Both are wings and both have comparable USG% (18.7 compared to Green's 17.1)

# 93 Real2KInsider @ 09/11/15 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 8KB24


	Why don't you include VORP, BPM, OWS, DWS, WS/48 and other statistics?

1. Time.
2. This is a forum.
3. Why don't you include them? Let me know how far you get.
4. It's not necessary. Why not?

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	Gasol brothers. Both centers for their teams. Pau has better PER but is he a better player? Nope. Marc is miles better at VORP, DWS, BPM etc except at ws/48 which Pau has marginal advantage. Marc also is better on defense and Pau has marginal advantage on offense (eye test + stats)

You are comparing two players and I am comparing an entire league. Significant difference in application with regard to a standardized rating.

Nitpicking which Gasol is better than the other is not the point - they are pretty clearly top players in the league relative to everyone else. It does nothing to disprove that centers are significantly more effective than they were 20 years ago.

A ball park figure will suffice when comparing 400 player leagues, and PER is certainly that.

# 94 8KB24 @ 09/11/15 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	1. Time. 2. This is a forum. 3. Why don't you include them? Let me know how far you get. 4. It's not necessary. Why not? You are comparing two players and I am comparing an entire league. Significant difference in application with regard to a standardized rating. Nitpicking which Gasol is better than the other is not the point - they are pretty clearly top players in the league relative to everyone else. It does nothing to disprove that centers are significantly more effective than they were 20 years ago. A ball park figure will suffice when comparing 400 player leagues, and PER is certainly that.

PER is flawed is my point. Wright, washed up Amar'e, Gobert, Ed Davis, Kanter, Ajinca, Drummond, Chandler etc are NOT better than Dikembe Mutombo.

I mean Tyler frickin Zeller has better PER than Dikembe did in '95...or '96 when he was one of the best defensive centers ever, if not the best.

# 95 HowDareI @ 09/11/15 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 8KB24


	PER is flawed is my point. Wright, washed up Amar'e, Gobert, Ed Davis, Kanter, Ajinca, Drummond, Chandler etc are NOT better than Dikembe Mutombo. I mean Tyler frickin Zeller has better PER than Dikembe did in '95...or '96 when he was one of the best defensive centers ever, if not the best.

That's why I never get too deep into numbers..

Basketball is a team sport and certain players play better in certain systems. If I throw Zach Randolph on the Warriors..lol, how's that gonna work? But Andrew Bogut plays well in the system...doesn't make him better.

# 96 Mauer4MVP @ 09/11/15 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HowDareI


	That's why I never get too deep into numbers.. Basketball is a team sport and certain players play better in certain systems. If I throw Zach Randolph on the Warriors..lol, how's that gonna work? But Andrew Bogut plays well in the system...doesn't make him better.

Numbers are just as important as the eye test.

And Andrew Bogut is better than Zach Randolph...

# 97 8KB24 @ 09/11/15 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HowDareI


	That's why I never get too deep into numbers.. Basketball is a team sport and certain players play better in certain systems. If I throw Zach Randolph on the Warriors..lol, how's that gonna work? But Andrew Bogut plays well in the system...doesn't make him better.

Exactly. You could also argue that Fisher was a better player with Lakers than Nash, when healthy. Same could be said about so many other players.

Which is why I just laugh off when people use numbers and don't look at the big picture and how those numbers were achieved.

I mean, I truly do believe in analytics which is why I'm pumped about having Hibbert on the floor. Top rim protector and solid rebounder. Some might say weak rebounder but he consistently boxed-out players so that Lance, Hills, West, PG could grab uncontested rebounds. I mean, how can a team be good rebounding team if your 7'2 center is averaging 6-7 per game in 28 minutes? Right? Well, this is where context comes in play, this is where understanding how players achieve those numbers under which they are either glorified/crucified. Lakers actually have decent chance of being average defensive team because of Hibbert. I hope they copy Indy's pnr defense which funnels all action to the rim where you meet big boy roy...or you can take semi-contested long two. Pick your poison.

**i know roy's weak mentally

# 98 SportsFanatic10 @ 09/11/15 05:05 PM

Is it just me, or at this point do we know the least amount of player ratings ever so close to launch?

# 99 DC @ 09/11/15 07:50 PM

Rashidi is the most arrogant snob in OS History.

# 100 Real2KInsider @ 09/11/15 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 8KB24


	PER is flawed is my point. Wright, washed up Amar'e, Gobert, Ed Davis, Kanter, Ajinca, Drummond, Chandler etc are NOT better than Dikembe Mutombo. I mean Tyler frickin Zeller has better PER than Dikembe did in '95...or '96 when he was one of the best defensive centers ever, if not the best.

The fact that you are comparing Brandan Wright to Dikembe Mutombo and not the 30th best center of 1995 sums up what's wrong with your approach here.

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