More Tillmen bashing

druez · 04-29-2004, 11:39 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1792200

SegRat · 04-29-2004, 11:42 AM

Wow that's harsh.

SirFozzie · 04-29-2004, 11:43 AM

And people wonder why they call my home state the "People's Republic of Massachusetts". Of course, no one here agrees with this idiot's ramblings (and no, Jason, I'm not taking a sly potshot at you).

KevinNU7 · 04-29-2004, 11:45 AM

Here's the actual article

http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/.../408f27f0591be

KevinNU7 · 04-29-2004, 11:47 AM

Here's the paper's defense the next day

http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/.../4090744e398cd

Butter · 04-29-2004, 11:47 AM

The "Pat Tillman Freedom Plaza"? Do we really have to slap "freedom" on everything now?

BTW, if you're going to college newspapers for informed editorializing you deserve to be shocked and saddened at today's youth.

KWhit · 04-29-2004, 11:48 AM

From the article:

"They should call Pat Tillman's army life 'Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed.'"

That's a little wordy for a movie title I think.

Maple Leafs · 04-29-2004, 11:53 AM

As someone who spent quite a bit of time at a college paper back in the day... this does not surprise me one bit.

BigJohn&TheLions · 04-29-2004, 12:05 PM

Shouldn't we have the right to beat his ass to a bloody pulp, put him in a small box, and mail it on a slow boat to PR?

It's one thing to rip Bush, but when you go after our troops you cross the line.

LionsFan10 · 04-29-2004, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Shouldn't we have the right to beat his ass to a bloody pulp, put him in a small box, and mail it on a slow boat to PR?

It's one thing to rip Bush, but when you go after our troops you cross the line.

Do not let this idiot make you believe that the rest of us Puerto Rican's are so un-patriotic.

Why, oh why did he have to be Puerto Rican ... bring on the PR bashing.

Noble_Platypus · 04-29-2004, 12:12 PM

They should taser that fucking asshole and drop his ass out a plane over Puerto Rico, without a parachute. People like P.T. are who make it possible for pricks like him to fuck off and drink for 4 years at college

Ksyrup · 04-29-2004, 12:16 PM

I can't believe some pendejo college kid's article is making national headlines. Slow news day?

WussGawd · 04-29-2004, 12:18 PM

Not even sure this is news. This is one 20 year old dweeb at UMass. Big deal.

Ryan S · 04-29-2004, 12:26 PM

I can't help but think this guy has got exactly the reaction he wanted out of the media. His name is all over the news.

Surtt · 04-29-2004, 12:28 PM

Just for the record.

Flying two jetliners into the world trade center,
atempting to assassinate the president by flying into the White House,
and failing that, attacking our top military leaders by flying into the pentagon:
IS attacking our East Coast.

I wounder what he is calling it, self defense?

Hurst2112 · 04-29-2004, 12:34 PM

And I thought Menudo was the worst thing to come out of PR. I was wrong.

Though I would like to ship the fucker back in a cardboard box, I would say that he is probably getting more criticizim here than he would back home. Let him sweat it out here, and get what's coming to him.

Ragone · 04-29-2004, 12:38 PM

I think we should take this guy.. fly him over iraq.. and dump him out in the middle of hostile lands with a bb gun to defend himself..

Rizon · 04-29-2004, 12:39 PM

Well, I guess if we're going to make ignorant comments on someones "picture" ... hell, might as well make this even.

Quick search found him on UMasses pages.

sovereignstar · 04-29-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by druez

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1792200

What the fuck is the point of posting this shit? Who cares? It's obvious that that people differ in their opinions.

It's like everyone gets a kick out of finally agreeing on something. Now let's think of a clever way to punish someone who holds that differing opinion.

Keep dancing around the fire with your sticks, imbiciles.

Pat Tillman was a soldier and there are many more out there. Defending him when it's pretty useless doesn't make you patriotic.

Ragone · 04-29-2004, 12:46 PM

Except i wonder if this kid wasn't reaching for his 15 minutes of fame.. by using Tillman's death.. that is what sickens me

sovereignstar · 04-29-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragone

Except i wonder if this kid wasn't reaching for his 15 minutes of fame.. by using Tillman's death.. that is what sickens me

And you could be absolutely right. But can we just assume that?

Crapshoot · 04-29-2004, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Shouldn't we have the right to beat his ass to a bloody pulp, put him in a small box, and mail it on a slow boat to PR?

It's one thing to rip Bush, but when you go after our troops you cross the line.

Wait a minute. I can't stand his article, but he does have the right to publish it.

Crapshoot · 04-29-2004, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surtt

Just for the record.

Flying two jetliners into the world trade center,
atempting to assassinate the president by flying into the White House,
and failing that, attacking our top military leaders by flying into the pentagon:
IS attacking our East Coast.

I wounder what he is calling it, self defense?

Yes, but that's the Taliban- not Iraq- understand the difference. Too many Americans seem to have forgotten that.

Maple Leafs · 04-29-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

Yes, but that's the Taliban- not Iraq- understand the difference. Too many Americans seem to have forgotten that.

You know that Tillman was killed in Afghanistan, right?

Ragone · 04-29-2004, 12:58 PM

sovereign.. i hope i'm wrong.. but i fear i'm right

Surtt · 04-29-2004, 12:59 PM

He died in Afghanistan not Iraq.

Samdari · 04-29-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

Wait a minute. I can't stand his article, but he does have the right to publish it.

And BigJohn has the right to think he deserves a beating. I don't see a problem here.

Noop · 04-29-2004, 01:01 PM

So what about the others that die? How come we dont name streets and cities after them?

Young Drachma · 04-29-2004, 01:01 PM

College newspapers job are to muck shit up. That's what they do, because otherwise no one will pay attention on campus. Does he believe that? Probably. Was it sensationalist? Sure. But he was saying what no respectable journalist would have the courage to, otherwise they'd get a response like this one here and maybe lose their job.

I'm not saying I agree with him - as someone who served and has friends there now - I don't. But, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to express his opinion. Now go ahead and lambast him. You have that right and ought to. The piece was shortsighted.

GrantDawg · 04-29-2004, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LionsFan10

Do not let this idiot make you believe that the rest of us Puerto Rican's are so un-patriotic.

Why, oh why did he have to be Puerto Rican ... bring on the PR bashing.

"I like my coffe like I like my women.....Puerto Rican."

Young Drachma · 04-29-2004, 01:05 PM

Oh and its a really poorly written piece, too. I mean, he was just ranting.

Bosco · 04-29-2004, 01:14 PM

Puerto Ricans are the lowest of the low, even lower than Mexicans.

Samdari · 04-29-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

The piece was shortsighted.

It's not just the piece. The opinion that people who die in the service of our country are not heroes because they find the decision to be in the military action disagreeable is in itself shortsighted. All of these people volunteered to serve our country, and potentially risk their lives to fight against enemies declared by their superiors. For that action, they are heroes, whether or not they are ever called upon to face live fire. Those that do face hostile enemies, and especially those that have their lives taken in such service deserve to be treated with the utmost respect and have their heroism celebrated.

JHandley · 04-29-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosco

Puerto Ricans are the lowest of the low, even lower than Mexicans.

Is this a serious post?

Crapshoot · 04-29-2004, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

You know that Tillman was killed in Afghanistan, right?

I do- my mistake was I thought the self-defense arguement was made in relation to Iraq. For that I apologize..

LionsFan10 · 04-29-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosco

Puerto Ricans are the lowest of the low, even lower than Mexicans.

/sigh, I knew it was coming. Oh well, think what you want my friend ... oh wait, I'm not your friend, I'm Puerto Rican ... that makes me to "low" to be your friend, I suppose. My mistake.

Ben E Lou · 04-29-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosco

Puerto Ricans are the lowest of the low, even lower than Mexicans.

Easiest....suspension........decision...........ever.

The Afoci · 04-29-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Easiest....suspension........decision...........ever.

His ability to post absolutely nothing amazed even me.

BigJohn&TheLions · 04-29-2004, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LionsFan10

Do not let this idiot make you believe that the rest of us Puerto Rican's are so un-patriotic.

Why, oh why did he have to be Puerto Rican ... bring on the PR bashing.

I'm not PR bashing. (I know that many of the troops overseas dying happen to be latino) I just happen to be of the mind that if someone happens to be from a different nation and wants to shit on the U.S.A. then they shouldn't be here in the 1st place. I grew up in Detroit, and every gas station seems to be owned by an Iraqi who laughs at the U.S. and thinks we're a bunch of damn fools. Guess what? In this respect they are actually correct, because they know that they shouldn't be here...

On a sidenote: The guy who hit the picture of Saddam with his shoe was on Brokaw a couple of weeks ago, because of the anniversary. A group of Iraqi's in Detroit wanted to fly him to the U.S. and give him a tour, a hero's welcome, and a key to the city. His response was that he has a life to live there in Iraq, and he would prefer to see the exiles Iraqi's return home to help make their homeland a better land. Funny, but I don't see that happening...

JHandley · 04-29-2004, 01:26 PM

Isn't Bosco like a high school kid? Is it really possible for him to believe what he said?

Ben E Lou · 04-29-2004, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Afoci

His ability to post absolutely nothing amazed even me.

Well, he now has two weeks in which he will post nothing.

Easy Mac · 04-29-2004, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

I'm not PR bashing. (I know that many of the troops overseas dying happen to be latino) I just happen to be of the mind that if someone happens to be from a different nation and wants to shit on the U.S.A. then they shouldn't be here in the 1st place. I grew up in Detroit, and every gas station seems to be owned by an Iraqi who laughs at the U.S. and thinks we're a bunch of damn fools. Guess what? In this respect they are actually correct, because they know that they shouldn't be here...

Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US and they are granted US citizenship, so he is every much American as you are.

LionsFan10 · 04-29-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Well, he now has two weeks in which he will post nothing.

Easy Mac · 04-29-2004, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Well, he now has two weeks in which he will post nothing.

Thank God, no more Duke bashing.

Crapshoot · 04-29-2004, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosco

Puerto Ricans are the lowest of the low, even lower than Mexicans.

And this is the kind of idiocy that passes for patriotism from you ?

BigJohn&TheLions · 04-29-2004, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US and they are granted US citizenship, so he is every much American as you are.

I don't shit on dead soldiers. And he doesn't have to live here if he don't like it.

Crapshoot · 04-29-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

I'm not PR bashing. (I know that many of the troops overseas dying happen to be latino) I just happen to be of the mind that if someone happens to be from a different nation and wants to shit on the U.S.A. then they shouldn't be here in the 1st place. I grew up in Detroit, and every gas station seems to be owned by an Iraqi who laughs at the U.S. and thinks we're a bunch of damn fools. Guess what? In this respect they are actually correct, because they know that they shouldn't be here...

On a sidenote: The guy who hit the picture of Saddam with his shoe was on Brokaw a couple of weeks ago, because of the anniversary. A group of Iraqi's in Detroit wanted to fly him to the U.S. and give him a tour, a hero's welcome, and a key to the city. His response was that he has a life to live there in Iraq, and he would prefer to see the exiles Iraqi's return home to help make their homeland a better land. Funny, but I don't see that happening...

Sigh. Im a foreigner, who happens to be fairly Republican in my views- however, I have plenty of friends who see quite differently. That being said, I hate this attitude- people may be here to have a business or other needs, not because they agree with the politics- and they have a right to criticize it for what they percieve as shortcomings. More often than not, they contribute more then they take, be it to the tax rolls, the education system, or whatever. MOre so, the idea that criticism is a proxy for hatred or disdain is ridiculous. Should every American who lives overseas refrain from criticizing the country they live in, because they should go home ? I hate that tired "Love it or Leave it " attitude, if only because it only reinforces stereotypes about conservatives...

And as someone pointed out- PR is an American commenwealth, which turned down a chance to be the 51'st state.

GrantDawg · 04-29-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

Sigh. Im a foreigner, who happens to be fairly Republican in my views- however, I have plenty of friends who see quite differently. That being said, I hate this attitude- people may be here to have a business or other needs, not because they agree with the politics- and they have a right to criticize it for what they percieve as shortcomings. More often than not, they contribute more then they take, be it to the tax rolls, the education system, or whatever. MOre so, the idea that criticism is a proxy for hatred or disdain is ridiculous. Should every American who lives overseas refrain from criticizing the country they live in, because they should go home ? I hate that tired "Love it or Leave it " attitude, if only because it only reinforces stereotypes about conservatives...

And as someone pointed out- PR is an American commenwealth, which turned down a chance to be the 51'st state.

Amen. Free speech even includes this kind of drivel. That doesn't mean he should be immuned to criticism, though.

Surtt · 04-29-2004, 01:48 PM

I got into an argument the other night with one of these guys.
He was adamant the Clinton won the cold war.
He also clamed to be a history major,
that really makes me wonder what the are teaching these kids.

This guy can believe what ever he wants.
I just wish he wouldn't drag Tillman in for the shock value.

Crapshoot · 04-29-2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Amen. Free speech even includes this kind of drivel. That doesn't mean he should be immuned to criticism, though.

Agreed- my beef was more with the attitude of Big John that as a foreigner (misplaced as it was on his part) you somehow have no place to criticize.

04-29-2004, 11:42 AM	#2
SegRat High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Oshkosh, WI	Wow that's harsh. __________________ USFL: Charlotte Fightn' Squirrels

04-29-2004, 11:43 AM	#3
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	And people wonder why they call my home state the "People's Republic of Massachusetts". Of course, no one here agrees with this idiot's ramblings (and no, Jason, I'm not taking a sly potshot at you). __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

04-29-2004, 11:45 AM	#4
KevinNU7 College Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Beantown	Here's the actual article http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/.../408f27f0591be __________________ Boston Bashers - III.14 - (8347)

04-29-2004, 11:47 AM	#5
KevinNU7 College Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Beantown	Here's the paper's defense the next day http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/.../4090744e398cd __________________ Boston Bashers - III.14 - (8347)

04-29-2004, 11:47 AM	#6
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	The "Pat Tillman Freedom Plaza"? Do we really have to slap "freedom" on everything now? BTW, if you're going to college newspapers for informed editorializing you deserve to be shocked and saddened at today's youth. __________________ My listening habits

04-29-2004, 11:48 AM	#7
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	From the article: "They should call Pat Tillman's army life 'Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed.'" That's a little wordy for a movie title I think.

04-29-2004, 11:53 AM	#8
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	As someone who spent quite a bit of time at a college paper back in the day... this does not surprise me one bit. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

04-29-2004, 12:05 PM	#9
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	Shouldn't we have the right to beat his ass to a bloody pulp, put him in a small box, and mail it on a slow boat to PR? It's one thing to rip Bush, but when you go after our troops you cross the line. __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?" Last edited by BigJohn&TheLions : 04-29-2004 at 12:06 PM.

04-29-2004, 12:12 PM	#11
Noble_Platypus College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: York, Pa	They should taser that fucking asshole and drop his ass out a plane over Puerto Rico, without a parachute. People like P.T. are who make it possible for pricks like him to fuck off and drink for 4 years at college __________________ We had the $240, we had to have the puddin'

04-29-2004, 12:16 PM	#12
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I can't believe some pendejo college kid's article is making national headlines. Slow news day? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-29-2004, 12:18 PM	#13
WussGawd College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Avondale, AZ, USA, Planet Earth, Milky Way Galaxy	Not even sure this is news. This is one 20 year old dweeb at UMass. Big deal. __________________ "I guess I'll fade into Bolivian." -Mike Tyson, after being knocked out by Lennox Lewis. Proud Dumba Elect of the "Biggest Dumba of FOFC Award" Author of the 2004 Golden Scribe Gold Trophy for Best Basketball Dynasty, It Rhymes With Puke.

04-29-2004, 12:26 PM	#14
Ryan S Quarterback Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London, England	I can't help but think this guy has got exactly the reaction he wanted out of the media. His name is all over the news.

04-29-2004, 12:28 PM	#15
Surtt College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	Just for the record. Flying two jetliners into the world trade center, atempting to assassinate the president by flying into the White House, and failing that, attacking our top military leaders by flying into the pentagon: IS attacking our East Coast. I wounder what he is calling it, self defense?

04-29-2004, 12:34 PM	#16
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	And I thought Menudo was the worst thing to come out of PR. I was wrong. Though I would like to ship the fucker back in a cardboard box, I would say that he is probably getting more criticizim here than he would back home. Let him sweat it out here, and get what's coming to him. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

04-29-2004, 12:38 PM	#17
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	I think we should take this guy.. fly him over iraq.. and dump him out in the middle of hostile lands with a bb gun to defend himself..

04-29-2004, 12:46 PM	#20
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	Except i wonder if this kid wasn't reaching for his 15 minutes of fame.. by using Tillman's death.. that is what sickens me

04-29-2004, 12:58 PM	#25
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	sovereign.. i hope i'm wrong.. but i fear i'm right

04-29-2004, 12:59 PM	#26
Surtt College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	He died in Afghanistan not Iraq.

04-29-2004, 01:01 PM	#28
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	So what about the others that die? How come we dont name streets and cities after them? __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater. Last edited by Noop : 04-29-2004 at 01:01 PM.

04-29-2004, 01:01 PM	#29
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	College newspapers job are to muck shit up. That's what they do, because otherwise no one will pay attention on campus. Does he believe that? Probably. Was it sensationalist? Sure. But he was saying what no respectable journalist would have the courage to, otherwise they'd get a response like this one here and maybe lose their job. I'm not saying I agree with him - as someone who served and has friends there now - I don't. But, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to express his opinion. Now go ahead and lambast him. You have that right and ought to. The piece was shortsighted.

04-29-2004, 01:05 PM	#31
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Oh and its a really poorly written piece, too. I mean, he was just ranting.

04-29-2004, 01:14 PM	#32
Bosco H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Apr 2003	Puerto Ricans are the lowest of the low, even lower than Mexicans.

04-29-2004, 01:26 PM	#40
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Isn't Bosco like a high school kid? Is it really possible for him to believe what he said?

04-29-2004, 01:48 PM	#49
Surtt College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	I got into an argument the other night with one of these guys. He was adamant the Clinton won the cold war. He also clamed to be a history major, that really makes me wonder what the are teaching these kids. This guy can believe what ever he wants. I just wish he wouldn't drag Tillman in for the shock value.

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