The Official March Madness 2007 Thread - Page 19

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I just got a text message from an Arkansas fan.... It said:

"Memphis got fucked."

Hope it was Verizon to Verizon or else you got ripped off for ten cents.

BrianD · 03-24-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I just got a text message from an Arkansas fan.... It said:

"Memphis got fucked."

Well, that certainly decides it.

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Dude, your so full of shit your eyes are brown. How many consecutive trips did OSU shoot free throws? How many illegal picks did OSU throw?

WE FUCKING GOT TO HAVE A TEAM FROM THE BIG FUCKING 10 IN THE FINAL FOUR.

Maybe your girlfriend should calm you down by posting in this thread.

Dr. Sak · 03-24-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Doesn't matter if this is their full-time job. They have all been officiating for a number of years. It isn't like they pulled some random people off the street to do the officiating.

That's a bullshit excuse. I love how people love to scrutinize the officials like this...they are human too. You could have 30 years at your job and still make mistakes. Do you realize you are seeing this game from a much better view than the refs on the floor?

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:17 PM

Remember when A&M fans bitched about getting ripped off of time at the end of the Memphis game?

Maybe you guys can have a support group.

Dr. Sak · 03-24-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Remember when A&M fans bitched about getting ripped off of time at the end of the Memphis game?

Maybe you guys can have a support group.

Can we throw in the Vandy fans too

cartman · 03-24-2007, 06:19 PM

The most consecutive possessions that OSU went to the free throw line before the hack attack began was TWO.

Find something else to bitch about, GE.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Remember when A&M fans bitched about getting ripped off of time at the end of the Memphis game?

Maybe you guys can have a support group.

Fuck you. Maybe you can form a big ten loving group, asshole.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

The most consecutive possessions that OSU went to the free throw line before the hack attack began was TWO.

Find something else to bitch about, GE.

Might want to watch the game again. I have the game DVRed and I will prove you wrong.

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Fuck you. Maybe you can form a big ten loving group, asshole.

Hey come on now, you still have a C-USA title to feel good about.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 06:22 PM

I just watched some of the tape. There were eight straight possessions OSU got to shoot free throws. Yea that is real fucking fair.

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Might want to watch the game again. I have the game DVRed and I will prove you wrong.

You should go on a walk and avoid any tree you might pass by.

BrianD · 03-24-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bsak16

That's a bullshit excuse. I love how people love to scrutinize the officials like this...they are human too. You could have 30 years at your job and still make mistakes. Do you realize you are seeing this game from a much better view than the refs on the floor?

How is this a bullshit excuse? It isn't like we are arguing a call about whether or not a ball grazed the rim for the shot clock to reset. The guy faked a shot to his left, and changed feet to take a hook shot to his right. I saw it when it happened live as I'm sure did much of the crowd. As soon as they went to the studio they were talking about the travel. With time running out, you know the refs were watching the guy with the ball.

I've been defending the refs quite a bit in this thread, but this is one call that they flat blew.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Hey come on now, you still have a C-USA title to feel good about.

Michigan could not win shit in CUSA.

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I just watched some of the tape. There were eight straight possessions OSU got to shoot free throws. Yea that is real fucking fair.

So was this at the end of the game with around 4 minutes left when Memphis grabbed OSU every possession so they could shoot FT's?

cartman · 03-24-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Might want to watch the game again. I have the game DVRed and I will prove you wrong.

Here's the link to the PbP from the second half:

hxxp://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=274000046&period=2

The most consecutive trips to the FT line I see for OSU before the late game hack attack is two, Conley at 11:26 and Oden at 10:40, where Oden missed one of the two.

Yes, starting at the 3:47 mark there was a long procession of trips to the FT line, but those were intentional Memphis fouls to put OSU on the line.

Radii · 03-24-2007, 06:25 PM

I'm taking notes here, to make sure I offer the board a proper reaction if Georgetown beats North Carolina tomorrow. I hope for the same from MrBug or SterlingIce as well. We need this kind of reaction after each of the 4 games this weekend!

sterlingice · 03-24-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

I would love to know how many people bitching about the officiating in this thread have experience as a Division I official in a national championship tournament.

It was a heat of the moment call, and the refs did the right thing letting it play out.

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Originally Posted by adubroff

This is all well and good, most referrees couldn't do my job well. Few, if any of them, could drive a racecar or perform surgery. However, I think an expectation of a high level of accuracy from the top referees in the sport is not that much to ask.

Perfect response to one of my personal pet peeve sports cliches. Just because I don't ref basketball doesn't mean I can't critique it. And I sure as hell don't have to be able to do better than them to comment on their ability when compared to other officials. Similarly, I don't have to be better than Ryan Leaf to know he sucked or that Johan Santana is good, for instance.

SI

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

I'm taking notes here, to make sure I offer the board a proper reaction if Georgetown beats North Carolina tomorrow. I hope for the same from MrBug or SterlingIce as well. We need this kind of reaction after each of the 4 games this weekend!

Make sure to DVR the game and have a friend from a rival school be ready to text message you.

INDalltheway · 03-24-2007, 06:26 PM

GoldenEagle- just get away from the computer for like 20 minutes. It will be ok, I promise. The sun will rise tomorrow, everything will be cool..

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:28 PM

Not to thread jack but tomorrow would be an excellent time for Calapari to take the Kentucky job.

cartman · 03-24-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

I'm taking notes here, to make sure I offer the board a proper reaction if Georgetown beats North Carolina tomorrow. I hope for the same from MrBug or SterlingIce as well. We need this kind of reaction after each of the 4 games this weekend!

I have no worries about this, Radii. When it comes to homerism, GE is probably the worst around these parts, even more so than imettrentgreen.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Not to thread jack but tomorrow would be an excellent time for Calapari to take the Kentucky job.

Dude, your such a fucking dumbass. We all know he does not want the Michigan job. Who the hell would want that job?

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I have no worries about this, Radii. When it comes to homerism, GE is probably the worst around these parts, even more so than imettrentgreen.

I am glad I am not the only one who realizes this.

Radii · 03-24-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Make sure to DVR the game and have a friend from a rival school be ready to text message you.

Sorry, i don't commiserate with Duke fans. Though i would accept board PMs from Wolfpack, or bsak as a semi-duke but really more of a penn state fan.

Back to the topic of basketball though, I'm disappointed that UNC/Texas never happened, i wanted to see Durant. But now, we're one game away from a UNC/Ohio State rematch, with Oden on the floor this time. That would be a pretty awesome final four matchup. *crosses fingers*

sterlingice · 03-24-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

I'm taking notes here, to make sure I offer the board a proper reaction if Georgetown beats North Carolina tomorrow. I hope for the same from MrBug or SterlingIce as well. We need this kind of reaction after each of the 4 games this weekend!

Yeah, but I think when I'm a bad loser, it's more griping and less explosion. A lot less entertaining to outside observers...

That said, I am listening to the local broadcast on the radio while watching on tv after the little debacle that was Thursday's broadcast.

SI

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Dude, your such a fucking dumbass. We all know he does not want the Michigan job. Who the hell would want that job?

LOL

Where did I say he'd take that job?

In fact in another thread I said I would love for Beline to be the next UM coach.

Michigan is trying to run a CLEAN program now.

Dr. Sak · 03-24-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Perfect response to one of my personal pet peeve sports cliches. Just because I don't ref basketball doesn't mean I can't critique it. And I sure as hell don't have to be able to do better than them to comment on their ability when compared to other officials. Similarly, I don't have to be better than Ryan Leaf to know he sucked or that Johan Santana is good, for instance.

SI

But the problem is that everyone thinks their team gets screwed if they lose and no matter how much you want to believe it, they don't give a rats ass who wins the game. Sure they are going to miss some calls. If you want a perfect game called then design a robot to do the game. Or better yet have the refs call the game from a booth. When the see a foul they can signal to the official on the court to blow the whistle. That way they get a better view of what is going on.

I've met a few NFL officials and they told me that they don't even know the score of the game most of the time unless it is a blow out. They are concentrating too hard on doing their job to look at the scoreboard.

sterlingice · 03-24-2007, 06:33 PM

Hm... we're getting sloppy...

SI

Radii · 03-24-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I have no worries about this, Radii. When it comes to homerism, GE is probably the worst around these parts, even more so than imettrentgreen.

no, no, I'm saying that if Georgetown beats UNC, I need to step it up to his level, this is too entertaining

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yeah, but I think when I'm a bad loser, it's more griping and less explosion. A lot less entertaining to outside observers...

That said, I am listening to the local broadcast on the radio while watching on tv after the little debacle that was Thursday's broadcast.

SI

It's impossible for Royals fans to be bad losers, much like myself as a Lions fan. We're more apt to being confused winners then anything else.

cartman · 03-24-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

Back to the topic of basketball though, I'm disappointed that UNC/Texas never happened, i wanted to see Durant.

Me too. Durant was the only one who seemed ready to play USC last weekend. If only Augustin had shown up, then who knows what might have been. He picked the wrong game to have his worst outing of the season.

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Me too. Durant was the only one who seemed ready to play USC last weekend. If only Augustin had shown up, then who knows what might have been. He picked the wrong game to have his worst outing of the season.

People in Austin don't really expect him back do they?

With all the Oden talk it seems to carry over into Durant but I just can't fathom it. Ya' never know though.

sterlingice · 03-24-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bsak16

But the problem is that everyone thinks their team gets screwed if they lose and no matter how much you want to believe it, they don't give a rats ass who wins the game. Sure they are going to miss some calls. If you want a perfect game called then design a robot to do the game. Or better yet have the refs call the game from a booth. When the see a foul they can signal to the official on the court to blow the whistle. That way they get a better view of what is going on.

However, sometimes fans are *right* about getting hosed. There very much are bad officiating jobs. Certainly, you're going to view your team through more rose colored glasses and when looking at others' critiques, adjust your thoughts accordingly- ie I lack more credibility when talking about the KU game than, say, GE would as he doesn't have a rooting interst in this game.

But, again, to say "the refs are doing ok because they're doing better than you could to" really misses the boat that they also are trained professionals at this and part of the job is public scrutiny.

SI

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

LOL

Where did I say he'd take that job?

In fact in another thread I said I would love for Beline to be the next UM coach.

Michigan is trying to run a CLEAN program now.

Yea you are real cool. Michigan will never ever eb good at basketball. Dumb ass.

sterlingice · 03-24-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

It's impossible for Royals fans to be bad losers, much like myself as a Lions fan. We're more apt to being confused winners then anything else.

See: 2003 Royals, Kansas City

SI

sterlingice · 03-24-2007, 06:40 PM

I would like to point out that I feel a certain kinship to Sasha Kaun being a former tall, awkward Computer Science major at KU

Only he's a lot taller than me and better at basketball but we won't go there...

SI

Dr. Sak · 03-24-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

However, sometimes fans are *right* about getting hosed. There very much are bad officiating jobs.

I agree. I've said before they are going to miss calls and have bad games just like any player on the court. But they aren't out to screw teams like people think.

cartman · 03-24-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

People in Austin don't really expect him back do they?

Nobody expects him to return, but I don't think it is 100% that he is going pro. He's never been one to do the expected thing. After all, he went to Texas when everyone had him going to Duke or North Carolina. He had mentioned that he admired that Duncan stayed at Wake for 4 years. I'd say it is probably 80/20 between going pro and coming back for another season. He has said that he would like to progress a little more before going pro, but it is hard to pass up $50 million+ when it is staring you in the face.

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Yea you are real cool. Michigan will never ever eb good at basketball. Dumb ass.

1989 begs to differ.

RedKingGold · 03-24-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Doesn't matter if this is their full-time job. They have all been officiating for a number of years. It isn't like they pulled some random people off the street to do the officiating.

Once again, you have so much experience knowing what a referee sees on a floor with a bunch of athletes running around at high speeds and great ability because?

RedKingGold · 03-24-2007, 06:42 PM

Is my sarcasm detector broken, or is GE serious?

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Nobody expects him to return, but I don't think it is 100% that he is going pro. He's never been one to do the expected thing. After all, he went to Texas when everyone had him going to Duke or North Carolina. He had mentioned that he admired that Duncan stayed at Wake for 4 years. I'd say it is probably 80/20 between going pro and coming back for another season. He has said that he would like to progress a little more before going pro, but it is hard to pass up $50 million+ when it is staring you in the face.

Yeah very true. I think Durant and Oden both have excellent heads on their shoulders so it's hard to really fault whatever choice they make.

RedKingGold · 03-24-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

But, again, to say "the refs are doing ok because they're doing better than you could to" really misses the boat that they also are trained professionals at this and part of the job is public scrutiny.SI

I think it is you actually missing the boat with that comment. :shrugs:

sterlingice · 03-24-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Once again, you have so much experience knowing what a referee sees on a floor with a bunch of athletes running around at high speeds and great ability because?

Again, and my point from earlier, is that we don't have to be refs to see inconsistent and bad jobs.

SI

DeToxRox · 03-24-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Is my sarcasm detector broken, or is GE serious?

As sad as it is, he's serious.

RedKingGold · 03-24-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Again, and my point from earlier, is that we don't have to be refs to see inconsistent and bad jobs.

SI

Yes, but everyone makes unbelieveably stupid mistakes in their jobs on a day-to-day basis. Are we holding the referees more accountable simply because their actions are shown on live television?

sterlingice · 03-24-2007, 06:47 PM

I guess we just disagree about this- I don't think you need professional expertise to comment on something.

Yes, we lack the credibility that, say, the NCAA director of officiating would have. But similarly, I would say that I have more credibility than someone who just started watching basketball last year.

SI

Neuqua · 03-24-2007, 06:49 PM

I for one am very much enjoying GE's rant...

sterlingice · 03-24-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Yes, but everyone makes unbelieveably stupid mistakes in their jobs on a day-to-day basis. Are we holding the referees more accountable simply because their actions are shown on live television?

Sorry, we've got this "one message off so we're responding to different comments and threads of thought" going on right now

In short, yes.

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

But, again, to say "the refs are doing ok because they're doing better than you could to" really misses the boat that they also are trained professionals at this and part of the job is public scrutiny.

Part of getting paid pretty good bucks to officiate is offset by the working conditions and scrutiny. If you don't want to be subjected to scrutiny, go work high school games and get paid a lot less or none at all.

There's also an onus on fans to exercise a base level of courtesy and where that exists isn't a perfectly defined line. Yelling obscenities about the refs kid is a bit over the line. But I think being criticized on a message board they'll never read is ok.

SI

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sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I would like to point out that I feel a certain kinship to Sasha Kaun being a former tall, awkward Computer Science major at KU Only he's a lot taller than me and better at basketball but we won't go there... SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I guess we just disagree about this- I don't think you need professional expertise to comment on something. Yes, we lack the credibility that, say, the NCAA director of officiating would have. But similarly, I would say that I have more credibility than someone who just started watching basketball last year. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-24-2007, 06:17 PM	#905
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Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm taking notes here, to make sure I offer the board a proper reaction if Georgetown beats North Carolina tomorrow. I hope for the same from MrBug or SterlingIce as well. We need this kind of reaction after each of the 4 games this weekend!

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INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	GoldenEagle- just get away from the computer for like 20 minutes. It will be ok, I promise. The sun will rise tomorrow, everything will be cool..

03-24-2007, 06:28 PM	#921
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Not to thread jack but tomorrow would be an excellent time for Calapari to take the Kentucky job.

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RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Is my sarcasm detector broken, or is GE serious?

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