In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

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  • Vince
    Bow for Bau
    • Aug 2002
    • 26017

    #16
    Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

    Originally posted by SPTO
    I didn't like Babs at all. He didn't instill any confidence to the fans, had horrible media relations, (almost all the media folks who dealt with him said very bad things after he left) and he made terrible moves.

    The Villaneuva pick was his best move and quite frankly it was the luckiest move he ever made. The Carter trade did do a lot of good for the Raptors in the long term it was still botched up by Babcock's ineptitude in explaining the positives of the deal.

    Colangelo is a completely different GM. He has the confidence of the fans and media alike, has credibility in the league, is very good with the media, made a trade for a big man in Rasho that brings some size and rebounding while not costing the team that much as the Spurs will be eating up most of his contract.

    Yes we don't know how Bargnani will do but considering the immense scouting that Colangelo has done I have confidence in the pick.

    BC handles the media so well compared to Babz it's not even funny.
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    • thenbagamer
      MVP
      • Mar 2004
      • 1048

      #17
      Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

      Colangelo should've picked Aldridge or Thomas 1st overall...Even bosh wanted Aldridge...

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      • tenth
        MVP
        • Dec 2002
        • 1109

        #18
        Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

        Originally posted by yucatan
        Babcock had nothing to do with the Bosh pick or the hiring of Kevin O'Neill. The Bosh pick and O'Neill hiring were made by Glen Grunwald who held on to the pick despite overtures from New York and Seattle for packages centering around Latrell Spreewell and Vladimir Radmanovic.
        You're right. He was hired in 2004. His first draft was Araujo's. That just further discredits the OP.

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        • DueceDiggla
          MVP
          • Aug 2002
          • 4915

          #19
          Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

          The VC trade was one of the worst trades in recent history. They could've done ALOT better then that. What do they have to show for it now? Some cap space, Joey Graham and Rasho??? Terrible move.

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          • thenbagamer
            MVP
            • Mar 2004
            • 1048

            #20
            Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

            Babson shouldve gotten at least 1 keeper in the VC trade

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            • DueceDiggla
              MVP
              • Aug 2002
              • 4915

              #21
              Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

              Originally posted by pf03ho
              -he gets the FIRST OVERALL because of a bad season that happened under BABCOCK---soooo, in essence babcock earned this pick but colangelo got to use it

              Dude, are you aware of what you're saying? You make it sound like Babcock did something good by earning the 1st overall pick.


              You mention CV and Bosh being great picks, but when you suck every year and have such high picks you are bound to eventually pick someone good.


              Give me a break, Babcock sucks.

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              • Vince
                Bow for Bau
                • Aug 2002
                • 26017

                #22
                Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

                Originally posted by DueceDiggla
                The VC trade was one of the worst trades in recent history. They could've done ALOT better then that. What do they have to show for it now? Some cap space, Joey Graham and Rasho??? Terrible move.

                True.

                Although, one of the picks you guys gave us was used with Jalen Rose to clear cap room. It's clear that one of the biggest reasons why BC came to Toronto was because of the cap space that we had.
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                • DueceDiggla
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 4915

                  #23
                  Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

                  Originally posted by Vince
                  True.

                  Although, one of the picks you guys gave us was used with Jalen Rose to clear cap room. It's clear that one of the biggest reasons why BC came to Toronto was because of the cap space that we had.
                  Thats not so great.

                  You guys could've turned the enitre organization around had you made the right trade. Look at what Kidd did for the Nets when he first got there, or Nash and the Suns or Cassell and the Clips.

                  I'm just saying that you could've done a hell of alot better then saved cap space and two bench players.

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                  • billmatic
                    Treble Complete
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 7365

                    #24
                    Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

                    Originally posted by pf03ho
                    Now, lets look at the short reign of Colangelo

                    -he gets the FIRST OVERALL because of a bad season that happened under BABCOCK---soooo, in essence babcock earned this pick but colangelo got to use it
                    lol @ giving credit to Babcock for "earning" the #1 pick.

                    edit: I see Deuce beat me to it.

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                    • CoRruPt-
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 1279

                      #25
                      Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

                      Originally posted by pf03ho
                      he gives up the red rocket who was a raptor favourite, a humble man who raptors fans luved...
                      That's funny, I thought an organization needs to do what's best for the team, not playing favourites with the fans.

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                      • Pointguard
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 2977

                        #26
                        Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

                        Originally posted by tenth
                        You're right. He was hired in 2004. His first draft was Araujo's. That just further discredits the OP.
                        Wow, that makes it even worse.

                        The Mike James-Rafer Alston trade was probably a good one also, but you cant f'up that bad in a trade (VC) and in a draft (Arajuo) and expect to have a job much longer, unless your team finds a way to start winning even after those screwups. Toronto didnt and Babcock is out.

                        Colangelo hasnt done anything YET thats impressed me with the draft or with his first trade, but he far from being on Babcock's level and needs to be given more than a couple months on the job to prove his worth...

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                        • Peji911
                          Sexiest Woman Alive!
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 2098

                          #27
                          Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

                          Originally posted by DueceDiggla
                          Dude, are you aware of what you're saying? You make it sound like Babcock did something good by earning the 1st overall pick.


                          You mention CV and Bosh being great picks, but when you suck every year and have such high picks you are bound to eventually pick someone good.


                          Give me a break, Babcock sucks.

                          k, i didnt like babcock, im just saying everyone reemed him out and BC makes a stupid move i think, and no one says anything

                          also, its not a 'good thing' for sucking, but name a team without at least 3 solid players who've won something man... and look at the clips.. they are perennial losers and always have great picks and yet suck... but baylor keeps his job always...
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                          • Peji911
                            Sexiest Woman Alive!
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 2098

                            #28
                            Re: In terms of drafting, how is Colangelo better than Babcock?

                            Originally posted by Pointguard
                            Wow, that makes it even worse.

                            The Mike James-Rafer Alston trade was probably a good one also, but you cant f'up that bad in a trade (VC) and in a draft (Arajuo) and expect to have a job much longer, unless your team finds a way to start winning even after those screwups. Toronto didnt and Babcock is out.

                            Colangelo hasnt done anything YET thats impressed me with the draft or with his first trade, but he far from being on Babcock's level and needs to be given more than a couple months on the job to prove his worth...

                            true true... and that trade was an incredible one, but in the end panned out to nothing cuz no one got anything for james for sum reason, but we at least saved a cap space and removed a cancer

                            but ya, trust me, i feel alot more confident with BC, but still, babcock wasnt alllll that bad.... baylor, isaiah thomas, mchale, mullin, etc, also suck in the same amount of years as babcock, yet its babs who's gone.. i dono, w/e
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