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  • NJVINCANITY15
    Rookie
    • Jan 2006
    • 85

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    Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

    Guaranteed money stalls deal
    Leinart has missed seven days of camp

    Kent Somers
    The Arizona Republic
    Aug. 8, 2006 12:00 AM


    FLAGSTAFF - Like junior high kids at their first dance, the Cardinals and the agent for quarterback Matt Leinart appear to be creeping closer together in negotiations, but there still is significant ground to cover before a deal is reached.
    "I think we're getting close," coach Dennis Green said Monday. "Hopefully, that's the case."
    One of the people doing the negotiating, Cardinals Vice President Rod Graves, wouldn't go that far. But he sternly denied reports the Cardinals had offered Leinart, the 10th overall pick in April's draft, less than what the 11th pick, Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, or last year's 10th pick, Detroit receiver Mike Williams, received. advertisement



    "We haven't been in a position of trying to low-ball anyone," Graves said Monday evening, "whether it's been free agents or draft choices over the last couple of years. Any reports that we're low-balling Matt Leinart are simply not true."
    Graves pointed to the contracts of cornerback Antrel Rolle and receiver Larry Fitzgerald as proof. Fitzgerald, the third pick in 2004, and Rolle, the eighth pick last year, received deals equal to the market at the time.
    "We were more than fair with Larry Fitzgerald," Graves said. "We were more than fair with Antrel Rolle, and we've been more than fair in this process with Matt Leinart. And if we can get the third and the eighth picks in, I believe we know what we're doing to get the 10th pick in."
    Leinart's agent, Tom Condon, declined to respond to Graves' comments, saying only "we continue to have discussions and still have some significant issues we have to solve."
    In the NFL, guaranteed money is the key to any contract. Salaries usually aren't guaranteed, so the most important thing for a player is to get as much money up front as possible.
    That's why there is so much focus on how much guaranteed money the Cardinals have offered Leinart. Yahoo! Sports reported over the weekend the Cardinals had offered Leinart a contract that included $9 million in guaranteed money and another $2 million that was guaranteed only for injury.
    That would be less guaranteed money than Cutler received. His six-year contract includes $11 million in guaranteed money. The Cardinals' offer, if accurate, also would be less than Williams, who received $10 million in guaranteed money last year.
    Ernie Sims, the ninth overall pick, signed a five-year deal that included $12 million in guaranteed money. A person close to negotiations said the Cardinals have offered significantly less than $12 million in guaranteed money.
    Graves declined to talk about the team's offer in detail, but said it is "beyond our draft position.
    "You can make the measurements after the deal is done, whenever it gets done."
    Graves admitted negotiations have taken longer than he expected, but the two sides have talked several times in the past few days and it's believed five- and six-year deals are still on the table.
    There is motivation on both sides to get a deal done.
    Leinart has missed seven days of training camp practice. He's a bright guy and faithfully attended the team's off-season workouts, but Leinart needs to play in preseason games if he's going to challenge John Navarre for the No. 2 job behind Kurt Warner.
    The Cardinals have enjoyed unprecedented success this off-season. They signed running back Edgerrin James in free agency, drafted Leinart, who won two national titles at Southern California, and sold every ticket for their games at new Cardinals Stadium.
    They can't afford to extinguish the excitement of the off-season with protracted negotiations with Leinart.
    For a coach, Green is uncommonly patient in such matters. On Monday, he went out of his way to defend the team's offer.
    "We know how to do contracts," he said. "I think (owner) Bill Bidwill has been very generous with his contracts."
    But in contract negotiations, the definition of generosity depends on whether you're signing the check or cashing it.

    Source: azcentral.com

    When do yall think he'll get signed already? If im correct, he's the only first rounder yet to be signed.
    Last edited by NJVINCANITY15; 08-08-2006, 05:59 PM.
  • jmood88
    Sean Payton: Retribution
    • Jul 2003
    • 34639

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    Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

    It's funny how everyone else gets called selfish for holding out while Leinart gets a free pass.
    Originally posted by Blzer
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    If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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    • Cebby
      Banned
      • Apr 2005
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      #3
      Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

      While there certainly are some double standards with Leinart, you can't bash him too much, there's little chance he'll actually play this year, unlike the other tpo 10 picks.

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      • NJVINCANITY15
        Rookie
        • Jan 2006
        • 85

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        Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

        And if any1 wants to know i originally found this at Benmaller.com

        There are tons of sports rumors there if anyone is interested in looking.

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        • Double Eights
          Banned
          • Nov 2005
          • 5733

          #5
          Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

          Matt Leinart is a *******, he should be in camp right now. If he wanted the big bucks he should've went into the draft last year. He knew that if he stayed in college, he wouldn't get as much money as if he would have declared for the draft. There is no reason he can't take a contract similar to the picks around him, he is just being a stubborn jackass.

          BTW, this is coming from a Leinart fan.

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          • rumfinator
            Ageless Wonder
            • Jun 2005
            • 863

            #6
            Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

            Originally posted by Sucre
            Matt Leinart is a *******, he should be in camp right now. If he wanted the big bucks he should've went into the draft last year. He knew that if he stayed in college, he wouldn't get as much money as if he would have declared for the draft. There is no reason he can't take a contract similar to the picks around him, he is just being a stubborn jackass.

            BTW, this is coming from a Leinart fan.
            Both sides need to stop doing eachother up the butt, and work out a fair deal.

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            • larrygiterdone
              MVP
              • Jul 2005
              • 3037

              #7
              Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

              Originally posted by jmood88
              It's funny how everyone else gets called selfish for holding out while Leinart gets a free pass.

              Matt Leinart, you are GREEDY!!!!!!!!!!

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              • The C
                Banned
                • Apr 2005
                • 7538

                #8
                Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

                Matt needs to get his cash. Afterall, the treatments that he would require after a fling with Paris Hilton must be expensive.

                This seems to be very important:

                That would be less guaranteed money than Cutler received. His six-year contract includes $11 million in guaranteed money. The Cardinals' offer, if accurate, also would be less than Williams, who received $10 million in guaranteed money last year.
                So it's held up over guaranteed money? Wasn't Reggie's the same (as well as every other hold out ever)?

                I can't fault any player for trying to get as much as they think they are worth.

                But how bad does it feel to be Kurt Warner? Everytime you turn around you are replaced by a younger Qb.


                Although Sportspickle has a different take on this story.

                Matt Leinart holding out until Pac-10 teams are placed on the Arizona Cardinals’ schedule

                Arizona Cardinals draft pick Matt Leinart remains the only first-round draft pick without a contract today, as emerging details from the negotiations suggest that it’s not money that is the stumbling block, but the former USC star’s insistence that Pac-10 teams fill the bulk of Arizona’s schedule.
                “Matt has no desire to play against NFL defenses,” said Tom Condon, Leinart’s agent, “as they actual are defenses and can cover people, and tackle and intercept passes. None of that plays to Matt’s strengths, which is getting the ball to talented teammates who can then make plays against overmatched opponents. And if we see that’s not going to happen here, then we’ll sit out the whole season if we have to.”
                As much as the Cardinals want to get their top draft pick into camp, the team says Leinart’s insistence of playing against the likes of Cal, Oregon and UCLA in the NFL is not a contract demand they can meet.
                “God knows we’d love to play all those lousy teams, too,” said Cardinals head coach Dennis Green. “That would give us a better chance of finally making the playoffs. But this is the NFL, so you have to play NFL teams. And while I know getting exposed as a mediocre quarterback scares Matt, he needs to step up and face his fears like a man.”
                Last edited by The C; 08-08-2006, 08:09 PM.

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                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #9
                  Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

                  Leinart should shut up and take the money he's being offered. So what if fate was cruel to him by putting him in a "bad" position. You can't change that and you can't subvert the NFL draft salary system like that. If Leinart is smart he'd accept whatever AZ is offering and earn his next contract.

                  It's not that hard of a concept.
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                  • Brandon13
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8915

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                    Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

                    I don't really blame any of these guys for trying to get the most out of their first contract. We all say what is a few million more dollars when you're going to be getting $50 million anyway. Well, it's a few million more dollars.

                    Looking at it from the outside, it's a lot easier to say you'd just take the $50 million instead of going and trying to get $53 million. But I think a lot of people would change when they have the opportunity to make a few extra million.

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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
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                      #11
                      Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

                      Originally posted by Brandon13
                      Looking at it from the outside, it's a lot easier to say you'd just take the $50 million instead of going and trying to get $53 million. But I think a lot of people would change when they have the opportunity to make a few extra million.
                      Maybe some people are like that but I know if I were in Leinart's shoes i'd be happy to be getting what i'm getting. To me, it's a humbling experience just getting a million dollars much less 50 mil.

                      Look at Michael Jordan in basketball, for years his contract was miniscule compared to other stars but he made the best of it by becoming the biggest advertising icon in sports history.
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                      • oakfan162
                        Get Ducked Up!
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 4724

                        #12
                        Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

                        Originally posted by SPTO
                        Maybe some people are like that but I know if I were in Leinart's shoes i'd be happy to be getting what i'm getting. To me, it's a humbling experience just getting a million dollars much less 50 mil.

                        Look at Michael Jordan in basketball, for years his contract was miniscule compared to other stars but he made the best of it by becoming the biggest advertising icon in sports history.
                        Exactly, with Leinart prbly not playing this year, his largest money making aspect right now is his marketability. He needs good press, to go with all the good press the Cardinals are getting what with their new stadium, he could really cash in.
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                        • Brandon13
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                          • Oct 2005
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                          Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

                          Originally posted by SPTO
                          Maybe some people are like that but I know if I were in Leinart's shoes i'd be happy to be getting what i'm getting. To me, it's a humbling experience just getting a million dollars much less 50 mil.

                          Look at Michael Jordan in basketball, for years his contract was miniscule compared to other stars but he made the best of it by becoming the biggest advertising icon in sports history.
                          And he made about $30 million in his last season as a Bull.

                          I'm sure that there are people who would just be happy with whatever a team offered them, but unless I'm wrong here, the contracts in the NFL aren't guarenteed from year to year. If this is still the case, it would have a big impact on whether or not I would accept a certain contract.

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                          • jmood88
                            Sean Payton: Retribution
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 34639

                            #14
                            Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

                            Originally posted by SPTO
                            Maybe some people are like that but I know if I were in Leinart's shoes i'd be happy to be getting what i'm getting. To me, it's a humbling experience just getting a million dollars much less 50 mil.

                            Look at Michael Jordan in basketball, for years his contract was miniscule compared to other stars but he made the best of it by becoming the biggest advertising icon in sports history.
                            If he had not gotten all those advertising dollars then I'm sure he would've held out too. But basketball is different from football since there is a fixed rookie pay scale.
                            Originally posted by Blzer
                            Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                            If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                            • SPTO
                              binging
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 68046

                              #15
                              Re: Graves not trying to "low ball" Leinart

                              Originally posted by jmood88
                              If he had not gotten all those advertising dollars then I'm sure he would've held out too. But basketball is different from football since there is a fixed rookie pay scale.

                              Yes I realize that, it was just an example.

                              As for the contracts not being gauranteed I'm also aware of that but the signing bonuses ARE gauranteed so it's not like he's not getting any money at all.

                              Oh well it's just my opinion
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