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  • jrose57
    MVP
    • Dec 2007
    • 3516

    #1

    Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

    I know the demo is only at PRO, but like, whenever I want to feed the ball to Gasol or Bynum is so easy, the AI defence down low is pretty bad, they never do other things but to go behind the post man, so is easy to pass the ball inside and score...because whenever I make a pass, the guy is already like super close to the basket, also back down is so easy, I can back down a guy 4 times a roll and I am already underneath the basket, I am so worried about this because this is a cheese move and lead to lots of POINTS IN THE PAINT, ONCE AGAIN!
  • Kaanyr Vhok
    MVP
    • Aug 2006
    • 2248

    #2
    Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

    Originally posted by jrose57
    I know the demo is only at PRO, but like, whenever I want to feed the ball to Gasol or Bynum is so easy, the AI defence down low is pretty bad, they never do other things but to go behind the post man, so is easy to pass the ball inside and score...because whenever I make a pass, the guy is already like super close to the basket, also back down is so easy, I can back down a guy 4 times a roll and I am already underneath the basket, I am so worried about this because this is a cheese move and lead to lots of POINTS IN THE PAINT, ONCE AGAIN!
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say this wont be an exploit. Maybe offline but not online. Playing on sim superstar should lower the shot percentages and more importantly the manual double team will always deter long backdowns in the post. Not only that you might have the option to front the post and you will have the option to switch matchups pick your double teams go for steals and time the contest with onball defense. Lots of ways to defend it.

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    • ffpp
      Pro
      • Nov 2008
      • 514

      #3
      Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

      IIRC the passing lanes should be played better by AI controlled players this year. This would at least make the entry pass more difficult/risky.

      But I agree this would be something that needs improvement at some time, if people can just jog into prime scoring position beneath the basket. Because it puts more pressure on the defense and puts the offensive-defensive balance a bit out of whack, at least compared to the real thing.
      It's not even only about the PiP stats but the overall flow of a match.

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      • ataman5
        MVP
        • Jun 2007
        • 2620

        #4
        Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

        Originally posted by jrose57
        I know the demo is only at PRO, but like, whenever I want to feed the ball to Gasol or Bynum is so easy, the AI defence down low is pretty bad, they never do other things but to go behind the post man, so is easy to pass the ball inside and score...because whenever I make a pass, the guy is already like super close to the basket, also back down is so easy, I can back down a guy 4 times a roll and I am already underneath the basket, I am so worried about this because this is a cheese move and lead to lots of POINTS IN THE PAINT, ONCE AGAIN!
        Well i hope that's not the case cause at first i kinda thought the same with you. And i would like to hear one of the devs saying that's not the case.

        But after seeing da czar's 'ten days ten teams videos' i kinda relieved that ai is doing an incredible job of noticing your 'go to plays' and forces you to think twice b4 you do the same plays over and over again.

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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #5
          Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

          Ive seen alot of josteling down low....there a some possesions where Garnett str8 denies Pau the ball....As for scoring....you cant really guage it....its a casual game on Pro....thats simply fact...more often than not youll make more than you miss...

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          • jeebs9
            Fear is the Unknown
            • Oct 2008
            • 47568

            #6
            Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

            You think its on PRO....They say its on PRO...It plays move like its on rookie if you ask me..
            Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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            • spankdatazz22
              All Star
              • May 2003
              • 6219

              #7
              Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

              I'm pretty sure the Czar said that on the higher levels the cpu works to stop what players try to abuse, and think he gave examples. Don't want to sound like I'm making an excuse but it's a demo; the game has to be accessible to a broad audience. Don't think we should start overreacting at this point.
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              • jeebs9
                Fear is the Unknown
                • Oct 2008
                • 47568

                #8
                Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

                ^^Exactly^^
                Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                • ffpp
                  Pro
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 514

                  #9
                  Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

                  Or the game just has become so good that the attention turns to issues as 'minor' as this one.

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                  • Goffs
                    New Ork Giants
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 12279

                    #10
                    Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

                    *sigh* another thread about Pip being to easy on a DEMO...OP needs to watch Da_Czars vids and LISTEN and WATCH



                    /thread

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                    • brianyost06
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 67

                      #11
                      Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

                      ^^^Ya Da Czar talks about this exactly and even shows an example on harder difficulties.

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                      • ffpp
                        Pro
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 514

                        #12
                        Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

                        There is so much info going around about the game that it's no surprise that some details get confused or forgotten one time or another.

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                        • jrose57
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 3516

                          #13
                          Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

                          But one of the concerns I have and nobody had talked about is the big men battle BEFORE I give them a pass, so let say I want Gasol to post up, I would press the play so he would go downlow isolated, however, I don't see any battle of him getting his postitions in front of garnett, in reality, they fight and fight and is really difficult JUST TO GIVE THE BIG THE BALL, and I really don't see that in this year's game, as a PG myself in reality, is really hard to get the ball down there cuz if the defender tries to front the big then I have to kick it to the guard on the side, and I really don't see that going on in this game even on higher levels in videos~

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                          • Goffs
                            New Ork Giants
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 12279

                            #14
                            Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

                            Good god man! Did bother even clicking the link I provided? Now you're just looking for attention at this point....

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                            • JWiLL02
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 1080

                              #15
                              Re: Big guys automatically get their positions down low, makes PIP still a problem?

                              Yeah he seems to just keep talking without looking at the evidence...lol

                              I think it would be a bigger problem if the bigs weren't trying to get position down low automatically. I don't want my AI team mates wandering aimlessly. This is just good AI.

                              Don't expect the inside %s from the demo to hold true at higher difficulties. Even at default pro it's an improvement on any level of 2k10, that should tell you enough.

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